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What if STO was a live-action TV series?

sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
edited November 2014 in Ten Forward
In my spare time, I have been examining the possibility of STO being made into a live-action TV series, and as such, I devised some character and episode summaries:

List of Episodes and Summaries

Main and Recurring Characters, plus applicable tropes

As always, this is still very much a work in progress, and I'm not really expecting anything serious to come of this yet* - still, a man can dream, can't he?

Feedback, critique and offerings of bacon are appreciated. Death threats are tolerable.


*Please don't flay me alive, CBS and Cryptic.
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sumghai wrote: »

    *Please don't flay me alive, CBS and Cryptic.
    It's more likely to happen from fans.
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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    You need to add the "Good-Looking Federation Captain with a Phaser" and the "Busty Vulcan Science Officer" to your cast.

    :cool:
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    sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's more likely to happen from fans.

    Heh.

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    daveyny wrote: »
    You need to add the "Good-Looking Federation Captain with a Phaser" and the "Busty Vulcan Science Officer" to your cast.

    "Good-Looking Federation Captain with a Phaser" - The Odyssey's CO isn't much of a looker, but he's not half bad with the phaser

    "Busty Vulcan Science Officer" - Cmdr. T'Lora, the Brunel's XO. To be fair, her hair is much shorter and she actually never appears on-screen.
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    moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    daveyny wrote: »
    You need to add the "Good-Looking Federation Captain with a Phaser" and the "Busty Vulcan Science Officer" to your cast.

    :cool:

    STOP READING MY IN GAME CHARACTER BIOGRAPHY AND OUT OF GAME FAN FICTIONS!

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    hfmuddhfmudd Member Posts: 881 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Right, I see the problem:
    Like most, you're not really doing "if STO was a series" using the stock characters, but with your characters. Your captain, your XO, etc. Whereas clearly, if we were going by the ad copy, the first would be Handsome Phaser Guy (look up at the forum header), and so on.
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    venkouvenkou Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sumghai wrote: »
    In my spare time, I have been examining the possibility of STO being made into a live-action TV series...
    Yeah, maybe someone could call it, "Star Trek", "Star Trek: The Next Generation", "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine", or better yet - "Star Trek: Voyager". I think that would be a great idea!

    :D
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    hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    A series based on STO would drive diehard Trekkies bats*** crazy. That alone would make a far more entertaining show. :D
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    hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It would be pretty high budget. None of STO's battles quite get to the scale of Sacrifice of Angels or DS9's other few fleet battles, but DS9 had to run a few months of low budget character episodes to recover from the budget overruns of episodes like that. STO would call for a major ship duel almost every episode (for TV purposes, many maps could be reduced down to one enemy ship or a small group rather than multiple groups), would have numerous minor fleet battles, and between the sphere and Kobali Prime there'd be some pretty major ground action. I can't really think of a TV show that's gone that big with ground battle scenes.


    It'd either be very expensive or we'd have to settle for SeaQuest-level CGI for a lot of it. The Voth war and the final mission on Kobali Prime could make up for Star Trek squandering its one big ground battle, but there's a major chance the Virisaurus Rex will end up looking less Jurassic Park and more Megatron from Beast Wars.
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    moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    It would be pretty high budget. None of STO's battles quite get to the scale of Sacrifice of Angels or DS9's other few fleet battles, but DS9 had to run a few months of low budget character episodes to recover from the budget overruns of episodes like that. STO would call for a major ship duel almost every episode (for TV purposes, many maps could be reduced down to one enemy ship or a small group rather than multiple groups), would have numerous minor fleet battles, and between the sphere and Kobali Prime there'd be some pretty major ground action. I can't really think of a TV show that's gone that big with ground battle scenes.


    It'd either be very expensive or we'd have to settle for SeaQuest-level CGI for a lot of it. The Voth war and the final mission on Kobali Prime could make up for Star Trek squandering its one big ground battle, but there's a major chance the Virisaurus Rex will end up looking less Jurassic Park and more Megatron from Beast Wars.

    Unless it had Defiance's budget. That show has some pretty sweet CGI for a SyFy original. :eek:
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    sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    It would be pretty high budget. None of STO's battles quite get to the scale of Sacrifice of Angels or DS9's other few fleet battles, but DS9 had to run a few months of low budget character episodes to recover from the budget overruns of episodes like that. STO would call for a major ship duel almost every episode (for TV purposes, many maps could be reduced down to one enemy ship or a small group rather than multiple groups), would have numerous minor fleet battles, and between the sphere and Kobali Prime there'd be some pretty major ground action. I can't really think of a TV show that's gone that big with ground battle scenes.

    It'd either be very expensive or we'd have to settle for SeaQuest-level CGI for a lot of it. The Voth war and the final mission on Kobali Prime could make up for Star Trek squandering its one big ground battle, but there's a major chance the Virisaurus Rex will end up looking less Jurassic Park and more Megatron from Beast Wars.

    Agreed on most counts.

    90~95% of the ship-to-ship engagements found in the game can be written out entirely with no negative impact on the plot. The rest would be reduced to a handful of ships, two or three separate waves of 4~5 ships at the very most.

    Similarly, ground battles would be reduced to mostly sneaking around and subduing one or two sentries here and there.

    Failing that, I could always settle for an adaptation into one of those newfangled Japanese animated series with English dubs, where VFX budget is less of a concern :P
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    grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sumghai wrote: »

    Failing that, I could always settle for an adaptation into one of those newfangled Japanese animated series with English dubs, where VFX budget is less of a concern :P

    Are you suggesting making a star trek anime? I don't think I could ever watch any star trek that was made like that.

    *watches a bug-eyed anime captain kirk with spiky hair scream something while fireing a phaser* - nope.
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    gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Unless it had Defiance's budget. That show has some pretty sweet CGI for a SyFy original. :eek:

    On that note, nuBsG also seemed to demonstrate that more can be had for one's effects budget these days, than back when Star Trek was on the air.

    Actually, come to think of it, was there a point when ENT and nuBsG ran concurrently?

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    rooster707rooster707 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    *watches a bug-eyed anime captain kirk with spiky hair scream something while fireing a phaser* - nope.

    That would actually be kind of awesome. Even though I don't like anime.
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    grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rooster707 wrote: »
    That would actually be kind of awesome. Even though I don't like anime.

    Now imagine it but only with Picard.
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    raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    STO could be a live action series with some changes made. Has a lot of interesting stories to show, could be set after ST Nemesis, a year later, couple or few years later or set in the STO timeline now. Also the ships designed in the game could be in the series, the Odyssey Class would be a good choice for the Enterprise F, still want to see the Enterprise E, they could show the Enterprise E than half way through the series introduce the Enterprise F. Maybe show the Odyssey Class with a different name or choose another ship class to be the main setting. Maybe they could do multiple ships crews, which leads them to events connecting each other. Also they could have a new crew take over the old crew of the previous Enterprise crew and the previous crew would make guest appearances. There is a lot of possibilities here.
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    sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Unless it had Defiance's budget. That show has some pretty sweet CGI for a SyFy original. :eek:
    gulberat wrote: »
    On that note, nuBsG also seemed to demonstrate that more can be had for one's effects budget these days, than back when Star Trek was on the air.

    Actually, come to think of it, was there a point when ENT and nuBsG ran concurrently?

    I haven't watched Defiance, so I can't vouch for that. I do talk to Doug Drexler on Facebook sometimes*, and I know he did the VFX for Defiance.

    *He left a nice comment on some STO-inspired uniform fanart I did a while back

    ENT ran from 2001 to 2005, while nuBSG was 2004 to 2009. I know for a fact that the quality of CGI in TV has risen and the associated costs dropped over the years, but I'm not sure whether major ship engagements for a new Trek show would become more cost effective.

    nuBSG style shaky cam POVs of ship battles might be neat, though.
    Are you suggesting making a star trek anime? I don't think I could ever watch any star trek that was made like that.

    *watches a bug-eyed anime captain kirk with spiky hair scream something while fireing a phaser* - nope.
    rooster707 wrote: »
    That would actually be kind of awesome. Even though I don't like anime.
    Now imagine it but only with Picard.

    To be clear, I made the anime comment in jest, since we all agree that a live action TV show is better.

    With regards to anime art / pacing, not all anime is slapsticky girly humor like Lucky Star, Oreimo or Toradora! - Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (the 2012 remake of the 1970's classic) and Flag (2006 series about the UN's experimental mecha division) are examples of somewhat more serious storytelling / art styles.
    raj011 wrote: »
    STO could be a live action series with some changes made. Has a lot of interesting stories to show, could be set after ST Nemesis, a year later, couple or few years later or set in the STO timeline now. Also the ships designed in the game could be in the series, the Odyssey Class would be a good choice for the Enterprise F, still want to see the Enterprise E, they could show the Enterprise E than half way through the series introduce the Enterprise F. Maybe show the Odyssey Class with a different name or choose another ship class to be the main setting. Maybe they could do multiple ships crews, which leads them to events connecting each other. Also they could have a new crew take over the old crew of the previous Enterprise crew and the previous crew would make guest appearances. There is a lot of possibilities here.

    My fanon is set in mid-2409, right in the STO timeline. I plan to stretch out the storyline over a number of years so that Surface Tension occurs by the end of 2412.

    The Ent-F will indeed be the Odyssey-class, with Captain Shon and his crew making recurring appearances. There will be an in-universe explanation why the Odyssey name is/was used on multiple ships/projects/programs at the same time.

    The Ent-E, unfortunately, won't be seen, and specifics of its fate will be left ambiguous just like in STO lore. All we would know is that its crew made it safely home and the ship was decommissioned.

    I specifically wrote my fanon so that the stories revolve around multiple ship crews, with events connected to each other:

    - The vast majority of stories will be based around the main cast's ship USS Odyssey, a newly-built but last-of-her-kind Intrepid-class vessel used as a testbed for new technologies to be implemented in Starfleet's "Odyssey" Project.

    - The USS Brunel is a vintage Saber-class SCE support ship, whose crew's strong engineering expertise will become more important in the New Romulus / Solanae Dyson Sphere arcs.

    - The USS Hinata is a refitted Rhode Island-class short-range science ship, who would often encounter/cause problems that the Odyssey has to fix.

    - The IKS Somraw commanded by Zhang's rival, Captain Margon. There will be a two-parter where Zhang has to help Margon and his Klingon crew in "Bringing Down The House" and "The House Always Wins".

    - The RRW Shalyar is a Rom Rep warbird featured most prominently in the Reman Resistance / New Romulus storylines.

    - The USS Enterprise-F will play a minor supporting role with infrequent appearances, since the flagship is usually off doing more important "diplomatic" stuff.
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    sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    On a more controversial note, I'm quite fond of nuTrek's transporter and warp effects:

    - I quite like the idea of swirling particles of light that suggest people being "picked up" and "dropped off". To retain some connection with TNG/DS9/VOY, the effect would be bluish rather than nuTrek's gold.

    - The entering/exiting warp effects are pretty neat too, especially the distortion of the POV. I'd imagine that the pilot episode of the Odyssey heading out from the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards would have a scene where the view from the bridge will appear to stretch.

    - The at-warp effect was apparently based on real consultation with scientists who conjectured what space would really look like from the perspective of a vessel travelling at warp. Obviously, if the Odyssey needs to do its occasional QSD sprint, some other VFX will be needed to top that.

    On the other hand:

    - I think I prefer the classic orange phaser beams and beefy blue quantum torpedoes, thank you very much :P
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    daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sumghai wrote: »
    In my spare time, I have been examining the possibility of STO being made into a live-action TV series

    It would have to be a really, really bad sitcom that refuses to go away. Kind of like Seinfeld, but with less substance.
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    sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    It would have to be a really, really bad sitcom that refuses to go away. Kind of like Seinfeld, but with less substance.

    If STO was relegated to a sitcom, I'd prefer something sans canned laughter, like Modern Family:


    (Barber and Shran are sitting in the mess hall when Captain Zhang swings over.)

    Zhang: Chocolate milk?

    Barber: Mirra accidentally replicated it. Since she's Andorian and can't have chocolate, she gave it to me.

    Zhang: Is it nice?

    Barber: Not bad.

    Zhang: Tell you what- (grabs salt shaker)

    Barber: Wait, what are you doin-

    Zhang: -it's an old trick from home. It'll make it taste better.

    Barber: Dude! Not cool! You don't just go in and randomly put salt in people's food!

    Shran: What's the harm in trying?



    (Barber sitting alone as if recounting the earlier situation.)

    Barber: Okay, I'll admit, it actually tasted really good after he added the salt. But he's a dork, and I'm supposed to oppose him on principle!


    :D


    To clarify - this fanon I'm doing isn't a word-for-word transcription of STO hook, line and sinker. Sure, the overall story might be the same, but that's about it - I'm trying to devise additional stories more closer to classic Trek e.g. Ziggurat, Hollow Memories, while keeping the STO backdrop in mind.
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    sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Now imagine it but only with Picard.

    Knowing Sir Patrick Stewart's weird sense of humor he'd probably go right along with it, too.


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    worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sander233 wrote: »
    Knowing Sir Patrick Stewart's weird sense of humor he'd probably go right along with it, too.


    "THERE... ARE... FOUR... WAAAAUUUGGHHH!!!" (hulk-rages out and destroys Gul Madred and his damn lights)

    YES!!! YES!!! YYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It would be even more awesome than that lobster costume selfie he posted on Halloween!
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    grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    worffan101 wrote: »
    YES!!! YES!!! YYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It would be even more awesome than that lobster costume selfie he posted on Halloween!

    Lol, you have a point.
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    kazisakikazisaki Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    If memory serves me right, i did see an STO paperback novel the last time i was at Barnes and Noble.
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    starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    kazisaki wrote: »
    If memory serves me right, i did see an STO paperback novel the last time i was at Barnes and Noble.

    That would be The Needs of the Many. It's not a novel so much as a series of interviews by Jake Sisko with important figures of the era.
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    kestrelliuskestrellius Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    CLASSIC PHASERS ARE NOT ORANGE

    THEY ARE BLUE

    GET IT RIGHT

    With that out of the way. Absolutely not an Intrepid-class. Fifty-year-old starships shouldn't even be in regular service, not on the front lines of multiple wars. Bellerophon class? Maybe. But honestly, I'm thinking an escort-type would be best. Maybe a Prometheus (read: Cerberus, because Cerberus AE is best AE) refit?

    Go with story arcs. STO's story is one of its strong points, when it's not being smothered by the format. Use it.

    Have each season be an in-game episode series, maybe? So the Klingon War arc gets one season, the whole True Way debacle gets another...Then maybe a season with all the featured arcs, so the 2800, Devidians, etc.?
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    sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    CLASSIC PHASERS ARE NOT ORANGE

    THEY ARE BLUE

    GET IT RIGHT

    Heh.

    I guess I was meant to say TNG "classic" orange phasers, as opposed to TOS "classic" blue phasers. Then again, I was also attempting to make a distinction between those and the nuTrek red bolts.

    Absolutely not an Intrepid-class. Fifty-year-old starships shouldn't even be in regular service, not on the front lines of multiple wars. Bellerophon class? Maybe. But honestly, I'm thinking an escort-type would be best. Maybe a Prometheus (read: Cerberus, because Cerberus AE is best AE) refit?

    Definitely NOT a warship or an escort.

    I specifically and intentionally chose the Intrepid (as stated in the premise, a new one built at the end of the class's production run with the latest technology) to symbolize that the Federation isn't taking the war as seriously as they claim to be.

    Also, prior to the start of the series, Zhang probably pulled a stunt as the acting captain of another vessel, and so the Admiralty decided to relegate him to a outdated class in an attempt to keep him out of the way - Zhang is by no means a renegade, but merely an "everyman" leading other ordinary Starfleet officers facing extraordinary challenges.

    The ship will often confront opponents with far superior firepower, such that the crew would have to devise solution other than simple, brute force pew-pewing that a dedicated warship or escort can provide by default.

    It's also meant to be a representation of the myth arc's biggest question: "In a time of war, are the Federation's ideals of diplomacy and exploration still relevant?"
    Go with story arcs. STO's story is one of its strong points, when it's not being smothered by the format. Use it.

    Have each season be an in-game episode series, maybe? So the Klingon War arc gets one season, the whole True Way debacle gets another...Then maybe a season with all the featured arcs, so the 2800, Devidians, etc.?

    I assume you've actually, you know, viewed the links I put up?

    They're currently WIPs, but if you open up each category, there will be text in italic denoting which story arcs would go into which seasons.

    The whole point of this exercise is to also rewrite/reorder each of the in-game missions in a format suitable for a TV series.
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    kestrelliuskestrellius Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Looked at them, yeah. My concern was that the events of the episodes don't seem to actually come from STO -- at least, not all of them.

    Sorry about my original post, incidentally. Probably came across as a bit rude.
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    sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Looked at them, yeah. My concern was that the events of the episodes don't seem to actually come from STO -- at least, not all of them.

    My intention is that most of the episodes should be from STO - I do agree that, as demonstrated by many non-Trek scifi and even non-scifi shows, story arcs tend to be more interesting than standalone episodes.

    I tossed in a few unique stories mainly to allow for character development, exploration and social commentary on real-life issues, something that older Trek TV shows do quite welll*.

    *For instance, there's a story I'm working on about Federation member worlds rejecting Romulan refugees - it's meant to be a commentary on the contemporary boat people / asylum seekers issue here in Australia.
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    kain9primekain9prime Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sumghai wrote: »
    What if STO was a live-action TV series?
    If that happened, we would have to pay in order to view new ships.


    ;)
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