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Eclipse and T6 prices?

chrishellmax2363chrishellmax2363 Member Posts: 132 Arc User
edited October 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
We have 6 days till launch and no comment about the prices? What happening?

I have zen to give to you guys, really. Tell me how much already.:confused:
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Did'n geko say something along the lines that what was in the DR pack, was DR pack only?
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Did'n geko say something along the lines that what was in the DR pack, was DR pack only?

    He didn't. All items in the Delta Rising Pack will become available for individual purchase on October 14th (excluding the titles).

    Next to that being an incredible stupid decision for their paycheck, imagine the glorious forum rage when nobody who doesn't have a large amount, but still some, of money cant get a T6 ship or T5U upgrade tokens (those are in the pack).

    It would be glorious.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    He didn't. All items in the Delta Rising Pack will become available for individual purchase on October 14th (excluding the titles).

    Next to that being an incredible stupid decision for their paycheck, imagine the glorious forum rage when nobody who doesn't have a large amount, but still some, of money cant get a T6 ship or T5U upgrade tokens (those are in the pack).

    It would be glorious.

    I was sure I read that somewhere. Anyways, thanks for the clarification...

    On a side note: Since when does cryptic care the slightest about forum rage...
    Also, just because the current ships would be locked into the DR pack, dosen't mean that future ships won't be publicly accessable...

    Even so, as it stands, chances are alot of people won't be able to afford the ships anyways... i know I won't... I simply don't have the money to dish out, or the time to grind dil for it.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    I was sure I read that somewhere. Anyways, thanks for the clarification...

    On a side note: Since when does cryptic care the slightest about forum rage...
    Also, just because the current ships would be locked into the DR pack, dosen't mean that future ships won't be publicly accessable...

    Even so, as it stands, chances are alot of people won't be able to afford the ships anyways... i know I won't... I simply don't have the money to dish out, or the time to grind dil for it.

    They still have to show me something I'd actually go after before I would even use my resources on lol. Funny part though is players are QQ'ing over the look of the fed ships where as KDF players don't really care because we take what we can get.
  • chrishellmax2363chrishellmax2363 Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    On the trend of the last few releases. Im taking a guess its going to be 2500 zen. That said i would appreciate it at 2000 zen as well. The pack does sound like a good price to go for but , rand to dollar conversion make that pack in the thousands for me. I dont have that much cash to drop atm.

    Did the ships in the packs get released on the day of the legacy expansion?

    I think history will show us how much and what time a individual ship will be availble.

    As for the devs, i love the new eclipse and wouldnt mind testing it out before i fly into a unknown zone.
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  • simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Sooner they release prices the sonnet I know if I am buying a Delta pack or only two ships.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    simeion1 wrote: »
    Sooner they release prices the sonnet I know if I am buying a Delta pack or only two ships.

    Let's put it this way....

    When it comes time to buy, you'll know. However I'm guessing that the cheaper option is going to be the two ships by a very significant margin.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    the individual ships are gonna be in the 25-30 buck range. they're not gonna be cheaper then existing t5 ships.

    geko said in one of the podcasts that the purple intel boffs won't be in the cstore. he also said the doffs will be in the new delta doff packs, but they'll be random in the packs and there's no guarantee you'll get the purple ones when you buy the doff packs.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I am in no big rush to buy a T6 ship. I can wait for actually prices to be released before making a purchase. I am guessing a T6 ship will be $30 USD or 3,000 Zen. Making T6 ships the same price as T5 ships would simply kill most incentive to purchase T5 ships unless people are looking to purchase the ship for aesthetics / nostalgia reasons since an upgrade token would also need to be purchased to make them competitive with T6 ships.

    It would be nice if T6 did sell for $25 USD 2,500 Zen and the cost of lower tier ships would be permanently decrease appropriately, but I doubt this will happen.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    Making T6 ships the same price as T5 ships would simply kill most incentive to purchase T5 ships unless people are looking to purchase the ship for aesthetics / nostalgia reasons since an upgrade token would also need to be purchased to make them competitive with T6 ships.

    Except that they didn't go that route with fleet-equivalent ships. 2,500 for a galaxy X, 2,500 for a vesta. That's the price of a "top tier" ship and even if they're moving the bar on what stats those have what people are willing to pay may not change (because unlike stats its constrained by real factors). Economically, keeping T6 to 2,500 zen makes some sense and given how cryptic has thrown nine of those into the DR bundle [plus other gear] without jacking up its price releative to the LoR bundle they may be heading in that direction. They could still just as easily decide "no, 3,000 zen is right." It is a rather arbitrary decision after all how much pieces of a video game should cost you, but I think its right to consider it a toss up at this point.
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  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    It would be nice if T6 did sell for $25 USD 2,500 Zen and the cost of lower tier ships would be permanently decrease appropriately, but I doubt this will happen.

    I agree. It would be very nice to see the T6 ships priced at 2500 and have the price on T5 dropped to 2000, but I think it's more likely we'll see a 3000/2500 pricing setup.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    There are a wide range of prices on T5 vessels.

    T5 9 Console

    120k Dil (Free @40)
    200k FC (non-Fleet Fleet)
    Mirror Universe (non-Lock Box Lock Box)
    Event Reward (Single Mission)
    2000 ZEN
    2500 ZEN

    T5 10 Console

    2500 ZEN (Also available in bundles with a reduced price per ship.)
    Lock Box (Lock Box)
    Lobi (Lobi via Lock Box)
    Promo (the 275 ZEN Lock Box, ahem)
    Event Reward (Extended Event, not Single Mission)
    1 to 5 FSM (Fleet, @500 ZEN per FSM)

    So just looking at taking a ZEN boat to Fleet or picking up a Fleet boat, one could be looking at 2000 to 3000 ZEN to do that. For those that purchase the T5 ZEN version before getting the Fleet variant, you're looking at an average of 2500 ZEN to get to the T5 10 Console boat that way.

    Then you take a look at going T5-U with that boat at an additional cost, eh?

    Wouldn't that be where you'd be looking at the pricing on the T6 boats...in that area or higher, no?
  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    stf65 wrote: »

    geko said in one of the podcasts that the purple intel boffs won't be in the cstore. he also said the doffs will be in the new delta doff packs, but they'll be random in the packs and there's no guarantee you'll get the purple ones when you buy the doff packs.

    I sense a lot of incoming forum RAGE on the 14th.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    svindal777 wrote: »
    I sense a lot of incoming forum RAGE on the 14th.
    the game will drop intel boffs on you just like they do tac, sci, and eng but only ships with a specialist slot will be able to use their intel abilities. for everyone else they'll just be tac, sci, or eng boffs. eventually cryptic's gonna add other specialist types too. so you can still have purple intel boffs, just not those 3.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I just wish I knew how much they(and the ship upgrade tokens) were so I had an idea of how much to set aside ahead of time. (If you want me to buy something, give me time to budget it!)

    Waiting for so long.. just makes me think marketing is trying to hide something - like an excessive price tag.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    szerontzur wrote: »
    I just wish I knew how much they(and the ship upgrade tokens) were so I had an idea of how much to set aside ahead of time. (If you want me to buy something, give me time to budget it!)

    Waiting for so long.. just makes me think marketing is trying to hide something - like an excessive price tag.
    just assume each ship's gonna be 25-30 bucks and you know how much to set aside: 25-30 bucks for each ship you want. likewise with the tokens. they're either gonna be 5 or 10 bucks. so plan on 10 and maybe you'll get lucky and they'll be 5.
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    szerontzur wrote: »
    I just wish I knew how much they(and the ship upgrade tokens) were so I had an idea of how much to set aside ahead of time. (If you want me to buy something, give me time to budget it!)

    Waiting for so long.. just makes me think marketing is trying to hide something - like an excessive price tag.

    I've been hoarding Zen like a Ferengi since last month and just on dil alone I have about 6,000 zen. I probably would have more but I bought a few keys
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    He didn't. All items in the Delta Rising Pack will become available for individual purchase on October 14th (excluding the titles).

    Next to that being an incredible stupid decision for their paycheck, imagine the glorious forum rage when nobody who doesn't have a large amount, but still some, of money cant get a T6 ship or T5U upgrade tokens (those are in the pack).

    It would be glorious.

    It would be Epic... and Gold. :P
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The minimum possible price would be 3000. However this will not happen because the upgrade from T5 will make those ships cost either 3000 or 3500.

    So the minimum price will be 4000 for T6. I think there's an outside shot they will go 5000, maybe with a bundle for 10,000.

    Upgrades will be 500 or 1000 - tossup.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    So just looking at taking a ZEN boat to Fleet or picking up a Fleet boat, one could be looking at 2000 to 3000 ZEN to do that. For those that purchase the T5 ZEN version before getting the Fleet variant, you're looking at an average of 2500 ZEN to get to the T5 10 Console boat that way.

    Then you take a look at going T5-U with that boat at an additional cost, eh?

    Wouldn't that be where you'd be looking at the pricing on the T6 boats...in that area or higher, no?

    But are T6 ships analagous to T5 ships with a T5-U upgrade or a T5 Fleet ship with the same?

    The former, so assuming a 500 zen T5-U upgrade your choices from the c-store are these.

    2,500 zen - 10 Console T5-U
    3,000 zen - 10 console T5-U
    3,000 zen - 11 console T5-U[fleet]

    If T6 ships cost 2,500 zen they will either be the same price as, or somewhat cheaper than, the alternatives which is par for the course with 10 console c-store ships now. If 3,000, they will either be the same price as, or more expensive than, the alternatives [since you would need to buy a fleet ship module in order to get something at T6 with equivalent base stats to a T5-U Vesta, Bortasque, DSD, or Scimitar] which is unusual.

    Basically....
    Cryptics T6 options
    2,500[10] - 3,000 [11] - Similar Range
    3,000[10] - 3,500 [11] - Different Range
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  • anarchynexusanarchynexus Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I just started do I really need this pack?
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    anarchynexus wrote: »
    I just started do I really need this pack?

    No... you don't... Especially if you just started.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    No... you don't... Especially if you just started.

    Indeed. All of those ships and the intel boffs are only available to use at level 50. Furthermore, none of the content in the DR pack is exclusive (you can pick up each item from the c-store using bought/exchanged zen when the expansion is released next week.)

    Its just a cost saving bundle.
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  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    anarchynexus wrote: »
    I just started do I really need this pack?

    Nope . . . So much to learn before you need to worry about the pack.
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  • anarchynexusanarchynexus Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Ok thanks.

    That seemed like a lot of money right off the bat.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    anarchynexus wrote: »
    Ok thanks.

    That seemed like a lot of money right off the bat.

    If you are looking for a choice, a Lifetime subscription is probably a better choice for a first time cash donation... Extra slots and Respecs... Great things to have as a new player.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    If you are looking for a choice, a Lifetime subscription is probably a better choice for a first time cash donation... Extra slots and Respecs... Great things to have as a new player.

    Still...a lot of money for a new player to plunk down, especially if it's not on sale. I wouldn't want someone new to buy an LTS only to decide 2 weeks from now that they don't like STO. :(
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    variant37 wrote: »
    Still...a lot of money for a new player to plunk down, especially if it's not on sale. I wouldn't want someone new to buy an LTS only to decide 2 weeks from now that they don't like STO. :(

    True... But still... it's less money than some people spend on masterkeys.
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    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    If you are looking for a choice, a Lifetime subscription is probably a better choice for a first time cash donation... Extra slots and Respecs... Great things to have as a new player.

    Yah but only if you know you're going to commit and commit heavily to this MMO. Except in some very rare and self-motivated circumstances I can't recommend that. As a new player it would definitely help to get the habit of using saved dilithium and its exchanged zen as their primary means of support in STO. If they find themselves wanting more than that, then they should consider a few supplemental zen transactions. If they want more than that, then look into the pricer options (packs, subscriptions, and the LTS). Build up to it, because that way you know more about what you're getting into (and what you might be able to do instead).
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  • saedeithsaedeith Member Posts: 628 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Only way I could see T6 being less than 3000-4000 zen is if T5's prices will be reduced because of the upgrade costs associated with them and a new tier of ships coming with DR and the T6s that will come later.

    How bad will T5 store ship sales suffer is what I'm curious about. If they are roughly the same prices as T6, why not just buy a T6 ship unless you specifically want a certain ship?
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