Why do you fly such a horrible ship?

magnumstar

This was the question I was asked tonight by a Fed in a Defiant, a fleet version I am sure. I was in my fleet Mogh battle crusier soloing Voth check points, its a very nice ship in my opinion but what do I know. When I Pm'd him back and said I like my ship he pointed out that he was doing 100 times the damage I was. Which he was putting out some impressive damage, just long enough to irritate the Voth and then he'd be space garbage.

He was missing the fact you don't kill much at the respawn point. I on the other hand could wade into the Voth and slug it out with them until they were gone. He was unable to solo a check point but I could. There's more to a ships worth than DPS, survivalbility counts too. I couldn't help but point out that one of the Voth ships breaking wind in his direction could blow him out of the sky. To which he repleid "I'm a pvp vapor so of course they can." Fair enough, but I hate respawning, I'd rather be able to stick it out and finish the fight without having to travel back to the battle.

I'm no supra ultra ship builder either I just slap together what works for me and rely more on tactics and teamwork than a build. So I imagine I'm not dealing the dmg I could but who cares I'm here to have fun. And respawning a dozen times to clear out 8-10 Voth ships isn't fun for me. I've done the Voth ship capture points with a raptor and BoP as well, I die a lot more in those ships than I do the Mogh, which in the Mogh it is rare for me to explode. I'll leave off here with a saying of one of my old Fleet mates "If you're respawning you're not killing" Which is very true, I made more kills in my Mogh than he did in his super DPS defiant.

virusdancer

Meh, I probably would have cut him some slack...heh, after all - he's flying a Defiant. Probably still sore about the love Cryptic's shown the Aquarius over on Tribble.

Mogh is definitely a fun ship.

pulserazor

I wouldnt put too much stock into what people say about your percieved inferiority, as long as you are having fun.

Anyone who tries to cut someone down in a video game over their coice of class, gear, or whatever is seeking validation that they simply wouldnt need if they were condifent that they were any good.

thunderfoot

Maybe he flies a Defiant because he doesn't know any better?

I fly a Fleet Mogh on two toons. One of them is a Sci. I am very happy with it. Always gonna be someone somewhere in this game who disapproves of your ship and gear choices. No matter what these are. As long as you are having fun while playing the game and enjoying yourself, do not listen to these people. Fun and entertainment are what STO is supposed to be all about. Admittedly, it is more fun when your toon performs well. But being the DPS King of Respawnville probably wouldn't be my first choice, either.

nightken

1. never pay any attention to a hater.

2. never any attention to someone focused only on dps

3. if you find a fed who is one or both of the of the above laugh at em then insult them in klingon if you don't know klingon quote shakespeare... if you can do both. :P

potasssium

While I like the fleet Mogh, and it definitely has it's strengths, I actually perfer the Fleet Tor'kaht and Fleet Kamarang as far as battlecruisers.

But now with upgraded fleet gear including RCS, as well as takyokinetic console, I should get a bit more turn from her.

But I would take a Mogh over a Defiant any day.

Heck I would rather be in a KDF dyson ship than the defiant.

seriousdave

Why does the Mogh get so much flak while the Avenger gets glorified as on of the top tier ships? They're exacrly the same in all stats except the mogh has the advantage of an built-in cloak while the fed version needs a console from another zen-ship. I really don't get it.

tom61sto

magnumstar wrote: »

To which he repleid "I'm a pvp vapor so of course they can."

He was probably just hoping the earlier comment would drive you to PvP him...

warmaker001b

LOL, the fact that someone in a Defiant was talking **** is awesome. You should pat him on the head for trying really hard.

jellico1

If the defiant driver was getting wacked by the voth...Well he needs to learn how to build and fly a defiant

Not only can that ship solo a point it can do so without danger of being seriously hurt and can do it very quickly

The person trolling you was a very ....noobish.... player so I wouldn't put no stock in his comments

jaguarskx

magnumstar wrote: »

He was missing the fact you don't kill much at the respawn point. I on the other hand could wade into the Voth and slug it out with them until they were gone. He was unable to solo a check point but I could. There's more to a ships worth than DPS, survivalbility counts too. I couldn't help but point out that one of the Voth ships breaking wind in his direction could blow him out of the sky. To which he repleid "I'm a pvp vapor so of course they can." Fair enough, but I hate respawning, I'd rather be able to stick it out and finish the fight without having to travel back to the battle.

That just proves stats alone is not the end all be all. Tactics are important and so is actually knowing how to maximize the strengths of your build while at the same time minimizing the weaknesses to the best of your abilities.

If he can do a lot more DPS than you can, yet does not have the resilience to minimize the number of times he dies, then he might as well play the game with his eyes closed and hit the spacebar to which he probably bind every known offensive ability to.

Me, I prefer good tactics over excessive firepower and I don't bother binding my keys. I rather have complete control over specific abilities depending on the situation.

orangeitis

magnumstar wrote: »

Why do you fly such a horrible ship?

That is no different than asking "Why do you fly what I think is such a horrible ship?". No reason to treat it any differently.

curme

I just started flying a Defiant, and it's built for fun, not dps. Same for the science ships I used to fly.

If I even showed people my load-outs they would have a heart attack because they are so 'bad'.

But hey, I'm having fun. That's the important thing.

fmgtorres1979

magnumstar wrote: »

This was the question I was asked tonight by a Fed in a Defiant, a fleet version I am sure. I was in my fleet Mogh battle crusier soloing Voth check points, its a very nice ship in my opinion but what do I know. When I Pm'd him back and said I like my ship he pointed out that he was doing 100 times the damage I was. Which he was putting out some impressive damage, just long enough to irritate the Voth and then he'd be space garbage.

He was missing the fact you don't kill much at the respawn point. I on the other hand could wade into the Voth and slug it out with them until they were gone. He was unable to solo a check point but I could. There's more to a ships worth than DPS, survivalbility counts too. I couldn't help but point out that one of the Voth ships breaking wind in his direction could blow him out of the sky. To which he repleid "I'm a pvp vapor so of course they can." Fair enough, but I hate respawning, I'd rather be able to stick it out and finish the fight without having to travel back to the battle.

I'm no supra ultra ship builder either I just slap together what works for me and rely more on tactics and teamwork than a build. So I imagine I'm not dealing the dmg I could but who cares I'm here to have fun. And respawning a dozen times to clear out 8-10 Voth ships isn't fun for me. I've done the Voth ship capture points with a raptor and BoP as well, I die a lot more in those ships than I do the Mogh, which in the Mogh it is rare for me to explode. I'll leave off here with a saying of one of my old Fleet mates "If you're respawning you're not killing" Which is very true, I made more kills in my Mogh than he did in his super DPS defiant.

Here's your mistake: you replied

nikephorus

I doubt I would have responded. The Defiant is far past it's prime...and I don't mean it's old canon wise based on the games current year...I mean it's an old in game escort and has a bad boff layout. While it's difficult to compare them since ones an escort and the other a battlecruiser I will go out on a limb and say the Mogh is the superior ship. The defiant is a mediocre escort, there are plenty of other superior options out there fedside if you wanna fly an escort (the only real lure the defiant has is the ability to use a cloak), while the Mogh is arguably the KDF's best battlecruiser.

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variant37

nikephorus wrote: »

I doubt I would have responded.

I would've, but only to point out that it wasn't me getting continually blown up by the Voth before putting them on ignore.

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darkjeff

magnumstar wrote: »

There's more to a ships worth than DPS, survivalbility counts too.

Survivability is a part of DPS, they're not separate things.

If the ship outputs 10k while intact but usually spends half the time dead, that means the ship does 5k, not 10k.

If you're not shooting, it's bringing down your Damage Per Second.

shpoks

The Mogh is awesome. His argument is invalid.

seriousxeno

As someone who has both ships (to be fair, my Mogh is only the basic tier 5 C-Store version), I can definitely say that the Mogh is more fun and much more resilient.

I have flown my Defiant for years until I got the JHAS and to tell you the truth:

The boff layout is god-awful and its shield modifier is wrong. This result is an escort with nothing but teeth, but one good hit by a torp spread on elite and you go *poof*. And as someone said, if you aren't alive, you aren't doing damage.

For that reason alone I prefer cruisers and battle cruisers. Sure, I do way less damage, but its consistent damage and I can remain alive.

Heck, my recently acquired Fleet Norgh BoP managed to carry 2 pug teams in Viscous Cycle Elite. Teammates blowing up left and right, my BoP just flies through that and gets the job done. Although I admit that threat-decreasing consoles helped a lot in that case.

The point is, that as long as you enjoy a ship for what it is and make it work, you will always do better than in a perceived "superior" ship that doesn't appeal to you. I wouldn't trade my Norgh for a tac scimitar under any circumstances, because shes way too big, gets stuck on people in sector space and spamming FAW+APB constantly isn't my idea of fun.

Stick with what you like and you will do well. Oh and tell them haters to warp off.

mikoto8472

As a Fed player, I can only say that guy is an embarassment to Starfleet.

sennahcherib

I fly in my awesome mogh to kick TRIBBLE of the owners of Defiant :P

lordmalak1

Glad I held off buying something in the 20% off sale last week- just learned the T-5U Kamarag is getting that desperately needed 4th SCI console. I glanced At the Mogh once, for a brief second and LOL'd.

coolheadal

Yeah I have ditched mine for another ship. A while back.

bethshepard

Should have called his bluff and had him up in a 1v1. Just soak up the initial onslaught and he will find out he is tinfoil. If he failed to clear his area, or escape with his hull in one piece, then how good can he really be?

centaurianalpha

Haven't tried the Mogh yet, probably because I've had such reliable performance from my Vor'cha battle cruiser refit (got lucky with a lock box early in my STO career). It's got an AP weaps loadout with KCB & Adapted console, CTM's, and a Solanae ship set, plus a few fleet items. I find it doesn't suck in STF's, and doesn't get killed very often. Maybe I've just gotten better at tanking, but I don't really study ship builds too much... :P

icsairguns

seriousdave wrote: »

Why does the Mogh get so much flak while the Avenger gets glorified as on of the top tier ships? They're exacrly the same in all stats except the mogh has the advantage of an built-in cloak while the fed version needs a console from another zen-ship. I really don't get it.

i much prefer the Tork over the mogh. while you can make it work( took me ages to make a viable build) it still don't compete with the tork , and why it get bashed and the feddy version dont is probably the weapon prefrence. feds love the beams and kdf seem to like cannons. and the mogh really shines as a A2B beam boat but beams are so feddy i jsut cant make myself use them. even if it means gimping myself. and i am not a fan of cookie cutter builds either. so once you go the A2B route your options become rather limited.


and the feds like the version they have because they dont have a tork or kamarang to compare it against. LOL

icsairguns

mikoto8472 wrote: »

As a Fed player, I can only say that guy is an embarassment to Starfleet.

actually he sounds more like the typical starfleet officer these days. for the same reason people on ESD turn off zone chat.

warmaker001b

fmgtorres1979 wrote: »

Here's your mistake: you replied

For some of us, it's great fun Trolling back :cool:

fmgtorres1979

warmaker001b wrote: »

For some of us, it's great fun Trolling back :cool:

I get that, but maybe it's just because I'm at a stage in my life I just don't have the patience to indulge stupidity.