Which 'On Sale' Ships to buy for Console Unlocks, etc?

forcemajeure
forcemajeure Member Posts: 208 Arc User
Was looking at buying a Guramba, but getting pretty close to talked out of that.

However, in conversation regarding this with the fleet/help channel, it was recommended that I should probably buy the Vandal Destroyer to unlock the Plasmonic Leech console for my 3 KDF captains.

Are there any other ships that are strong contenders for 'buy while on sale, even with DR coming'?

Thanks, appreciate any advice or tips offered.

EDIT: Adding a summary below for new readers, which ones do you feel have the most value for the zen?

Some results from this thread, forums and in-game discussion:

(Note: I have 3 Feds, 2 Fed-Rom, 2 KDF, and 1 KDF-Rom)

SHIPS worth considering just to have the ship:

Scimitar Dreadnought Bundle - 4,000 Zen
Avenger Battle Cruiser - 2,000 Zen

Ships for Consoles:

HIGHEST VALUE
KDF - Vandal Destroyer/Plasmonic Leech - 800 Zen

Rom - Valdore - Shield Regenerator - 800 Zen


Tempting Treats
KDF - SuQob - Bio-Neural Warhead - 800 Zen
KDF - Draguas - Aceton Assimilator - 1,200 Zen
KDF - Ch'Tang - Subspace Jump behind target - 1,200 Zen
KDF - Ning'Tao - Quad Disruptor Cannon - 800 Zen

Rom - T'Varo Light - Reboot Singularity - 400 Zen
Rom - T'Varo Light Retro - RedBallOfDoom - 1,600 Zen

Fed - Oberth Light Sci. - Enhanced Plasma Manifold - 400 Zen


Honorable Mentions
KDF - Vor'Kang - Isometric Charge - 2,000 Zen

Rom - Dhelan Warbird Retro - Sabotage Probe - 1,600 Zen

Fed - Assault Cruiser Refit - Wide-Angle Quant Torp - 2,000 Zen
Fed - Bellerophon - Nadeon Detonator - 1,200 Zen
Fed - Thunderchild - Phaser Point Defense - 800 Zen
Fed - Armitage - Torpedo Point Def - 2,000 Zen

My valuations are tilted towards "things that can be used on any ship all the time" and away from "useful but situational". If you have any recommendations or comments or additions, reply in the thread and I will try to update once more before sale ends.
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  • lordmalak1
    lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,673 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I was thinking about that BoP for the quad cannons , but don't know the upgrade possibilities or if you can equip more than one.
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  • kjwashington
    kjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Was looking at buying a Guramba, but getting pretty close to talked out of that.

    However, in conversation regarding this with the fleet/help channel, it was recommended that I should probably buy the Vandal Destroyer to unlock the Plasmonic Leech console for my 3 KDF captains.

    Are there any other ships that are strong contenders for 'buy while on sale, even with DR coming'?

    Thanks, appreciate any advice or tips offered.

    Plasmonic leach is very good. I would recommend it. I wouldn't really bother with anything else though, unless you really like it and/or think it will improve your build.
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  • mav75
    mav75 Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    I was thinking about that BoP for the quad cannons , but don't know the upgrade possibilities or if you can equip more than one.

    You can update them, the first is free (from leveling to Mk XII).
    You can only equip 1 (haven't tried to equip Plasma and Disruptor/Phaser Quads at the same time).
  • starsword1989
    starsword1989 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    For KDF, I'd recommend the Vandal Destroyer for the Plasmonic leech. It's an account unlock for your KDF/KDF-aligned Rom a console that otherwise costs 30-40m EC on average per piece (on a Federation-side character).

    Federation side, the Thunderchild class gives you a Point Defense System console that is pretty useful addition on any ship (especially so when Delta Rising reduces the CD from 3min to 2min).

    Romulan side, what most people suggest is the Valdore because its console grants a passive shield heal, which even after nerfed is still very useful. But I will recommend the T1 T'varo as I personally love its console, an immediate "hot restart" to your singularity powers after you have just used them.

    Just my 2 cents
  • lordmalak1
    lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,673 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    mav75 wrote: »
    You can update them, the first is free (from leveling to Mk XII).
    You can only equip 1 (haven't tried to equip Plasma and Disruptor/Phaser Quads at the same time).

    OK, thanks
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  • jaguarskx
    jaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I will be buying the Vandal as well.

    The T3 Valdore Warbird that comes with the Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator. There is basically a 2.5% chance your shields will regenerate shields when you fire your weapons. The chance for regeneration will only occur when shield drop to 90% or below and the amount of shields healed is equal to 2x the amount you damage. A pretty interesting console, but I only have one Rom toon.

    Otherwise, the choices aren't very good. There is a Fed/KDF point defense console that can shoot down torpedoes or be used against other ships / fighters. I forgot the name of it and which ships you need to purchase. It sounds cool until you find out it has a 3 minute cooldown....

    If I can grind out the dil necessary to cover 75% the Zen for the B'rel Retrofit, then I will buy that ship just because it is a BoP.

    If I decide to create a least another Romulan toon, then next year when there is another sale, I will consider purchasing the T3 Valdore for the console and the T'Varo Retrofit... unless by then there is a T6 starship with an enhanced battle cloak that outclasses the T'Varo Retrofit.
  • rinkster
    rinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    For KDF, I'd recommend the Vandal Destroyer for the Plasmonic leech. It's an account unlock for your KDF/KDF-aligned Rom a console that otherwise costs 30-40m EC on average per piece (on a Federation-side character).

    Federation side, the Thunderchild class gives you a Point Defense System console that is pretty useful addition on any ship (especially so when Delta Rising reduces the CD from 3min to 2min).

    Romulan side, what most people suggest is the Valdore because its console grants a passive shield heal, which even after nerfed is still very useful. But I will recommend the T1 T'varo as I personally love its console, an immediate "hot restart" to your singularity powers after you have just used them.

    Just my 2 cents


    A good list.

    I'd add the T1 connie for unlimited blue mk XII retro phaser beams, upgradable.

    The quad cannon are upgradable, so worth considering.

    The Tvaro T1 and T5 are also worth it for the set bonus, imo.
  • lordmalak1
    lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,673 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    I will be buying the Vandal as well.

    The T3 Valdore Warbird that comes with the Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator. There is basically a 2.5% chance your shields will regenerate shields when you fire your weapons. The chance for regeneration will only occur when shield drop to 90% or below and the amount of shields healed is equal to 2x the amount you damage. A pretty interesting console, but I only have one Rom toon.

    Otherwise, the choices aren't very good. There is a Fed/KDF point defense console that can shoot down torpedoes or be used against other ships / fighters. I forgot the name of it and which ships you need to purchase. It sounds cool until you find out it has a 3 minute cooldown....

    If I can grind out the dil necessary to cover 75% the Zen for the B'rel Retrofit, then I will buy that ship just because it is a BoP.

    If I decide to create a least another Romulan toon, then next year when there is another sale, I will consider purchasing the T3 Valdore for the console and the T'Varo Retrofit... unless by then there is a T6 starship with an enhanced battle cloak that outclasses the T'Varo Retrofit.

    Ya, the PD console cooldown is a killer- but comes in handy in 'the Vault' against shuttles.
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  • mrgrocer56
    mrgrocer56 Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    PD console cooldown is being dropped to 2 minutes, a has been noted.
  • futurepastnow
    futurepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    If you play your KDF toon(s) at all and you don't have the Vandal, it is well worth it.
  • lowy1
    lowy1 Member Posts: 964 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The Wide Angle Quantum from the Assault Cruiser.

    Defiant or Dreadnought for the Cloaking Device.

    What about the Enhanced Plasma Manifold from the Oberth? Kinda Like the RMC.
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  • tigeraries
    tigeraries Member Posts: 3,481 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lowy1 wrote: »
    The Wide Angle Quantum from the Assault Cruiser.

    Defiant or Dreadnought for the Cloaking Device.

    What about the Enhanced Plasma Manifold from the Oberth? Kinda Like the RMC.

    If your lifetime, dont buy the Defiant/Dreadnought for the Cloak... you can pick a free T5 ship and you can get it then... unless you want to use the fleet version for the reduced cost in ship mods.

    but since there are better escorts out there...
  • kozar2
    kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    tigeraries wrote: »
    If your lifetime, dont buy the Defiant/Dreadnought for the Cloak

    And T6 Intelligence ships cloak without a console.
  • lordsteve1
    lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Plasmonic leech - Vandal

    180 degree quantum - Assault Cruiser

    Valdore Console - Valdore

    Fed Cloak - Defiant retrofit (if you really feel you need it)

    Either of the Point Defence Systems - Escort Carrier refit/Heavy Escort refit

    Various ships with quad cannons which can be upgraded.

    T1 Connie has nice blue phasers that can be upgraded.

    Impulse capacitor from the Gladius is fairly useful.

    To be honest as the cooldowns on console abilites are pretty much all comming down to 2 mins most of them are going to become a fair bit more useful. Not many are outright I-win buttons but if you are considering them as part of a build maybe now is the time to get them?
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  • captainoblivous
    captainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The armitage torp spam console is fun, especially for a photon torpedo boat.
    For the klinks, I found the enhanced induction coils console from one of the bops (the B'rolth I think) to be fun for my decloak vapers. 135 weapon power as well as something like +35 power per system is fun!
    CD's are always the killer though :(
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  • jslyn
    jslyn Member Posts: 1,747 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The Venture (Exploration Cruiser Refit) for the Antimatter Spread.
  • reginamala78
    reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    No mention of the Draguas for the Aceton Assimilator? Unlike most other consoles it has a short cooldown (45s? 60s? I just know its always available when I want it), you can have two active at a time, and its a constantly-on area-denial effect. I normally dislike clickies for taking too long to recover, and in PVE there are so few targets that alone warrant using That One Special Console, but the Aceton is more like having an extra boff power than just a gimmick.
  • vetteguy904
    vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,372 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    A good list.

    I'd add the T1 connie for unlimited blue mk XII retro phaser beams, upgradable.

    The quad cannon are upgradable, so worth considering.

    The Tvaro T1 and T5 are also worth it for the set bonus, imo.

    and pray you get a bump to VR with an [ACC] mod, because as theya re, they are about 13 DPS less than a corresponding mk XII beam array, and IMHO the CrtH mod is about the worst
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  • vetteguy904
    vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,372 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    mrgrocer56 wrote: »
    PD console cooldown is being dropped to 2 minutes, a has been noted.

    what about the armitage torpedo console? it get the reduced cooldown?
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  • reginamala78
    reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    what about the armitage torpedo console? it get the reduced cooldown?

    They said all the clickies are being reduced to 2 minutes, so that presumably includes the Torp PDS. Of course the Torp PDS can only be used on the Armitage, so not as flexible as the energy-based one. (Though damn a full Torp PDS volley in a crowded environment is just a sight to behold)
  • rinkster
    rinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    and pray you get a bump to VR with an [ACC] mod, because as theya re, they are about 13 DPS less than a corresponding mk XII beam array, and IMHO the CrtH mod is about the worst

    DPS is not the point.

    Sizzling blue, TOS-era beams are.

    Now with added endgame viability.
  • dpsloss88
    dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The armitage torp spam console is fun, especially for a photon torpedo boat.
    For the klinks, I found the enhanced induction coils console from one of the bops (the B'rolth I think) to be fun for my decloak vapers. 135 weapon power as well as something like +35 power per system is fun!
    CD's are always the killer though :(

    This is the last hope for the klink race...
  • forcemajeure
    forcemajeure Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Excellent ideas and suggestions folks, thank you!

    I will summarize some of the findings here, and edit the OP to include this as well for new readers.

    Some results from this thread, forums and in-game discussion:

    (Note: I have 3 Feds, 2 Fed-Rom, 2 KDF, and 1 KDF-Rom)

    SHIPS worth considering just to have the ship:

    Scimitar Dreadnought Bundle - 4,000 Zen
    Avenger Battle Cruiser - 2,000 Zen

    Ships for Consoles:

    HIGHEST VALUE
    KDF - Vandal Destroyer/Plasmonic Leech - 800 Zen

    Rom - Valdore - Shield Regenerator - 800 Zen


    Tempting Treats
    KDF - SuQob - Bio-Neural Warhead - 800 Zen
    KDF - Draguas - Aceton Assimilator - 1,200 Zen
    KDF - Ch'Tang - Subspace Jump behind target - 1,200 Zen
    KDF - Ning'Tao - Quad Disruptor Cannon - 800 Zen

    Rom - T'Varo Light - Reboot Singularity - 400 Zen
    Rom - T'Varo Light Retro - RedBallOfDoom - 1,600 Zen

    Fed - Oberth Light Sci. - Enhanced Plasma Manifold - 400 Zen


    Honorable Mentions
    KDF - Vor'Kang - Isometric Charge - 2,000 Zen

    Rom - Dhelan Warbird Retro - Sabotage Probe - 1,600 Zen

    Fed - Assault Cruiser Refit - Wide-Angle Quant Torp - 2,000 Zen
    Fed - Bellerophon - Nadeon Detonator - 1,200 Zen
    Fed - Thunderchild - Phaser Point Defense - 800 Zen
    Fed - Armitage - Torpedo Point Def - 2,000 Zen

    My valuations are tilted towards "things that can be used on any ship all the time" and away from "useful but situational". If you have any recommendations, comments or additions, reply in the thread and I will try to update once more before sale ends.
  • forcemajeure
    forcemajeure Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    A few hours left to the sale, so far decided on:

    Vandal Destroyer for Plasmonic
    Valdore for Shield Regenerator


    Seriously tempted by:
    Draguas for Aceton Assims (at 800 Zen it would have been a sure thing, 1,200, hmmm)
    Scimitar Dreadnought bundle 4,000 Zen OR
    T'varo T1 and T5 2,000 Zen (Scimitar bundle for 4K is looking better there I think)


    Many others are in the "oooh want shiny" category (Wide-Angle Torp, Bio-Neural, Subspace Jump), but I held off because they just don't seem widely applicable enough. That, plus looks like I am spending 5,600 zen already.

    Thanks for the replies and the tips, this was a really good chance to look over the various ship options and see what is out there.
  • jaguarskx
    jaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I grabbed the Vandal Destroyer for the Plasmonic Leech and the B'rel Retrofit 'cuz it's a BoP.
  • swamarian
    swamarian Member Posts: 1,487 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    If you're going for the T'varo pair, you might as well get the Romulan Starter pack. It's about the same, but comes with a liberated borg tactical officer as well.
  • westmetals
    westmetals Member Posts: 8,239 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The Defiant Refit (not Retrofit!) has the Federation version of the quad cannons. ;)

    I personally picked up that and the Ning'Tao (quads from both factions) and a Delta Flyer... but I also have the Fed ships with the WA Torp, the retro phasers, and the cloak from previous purchases.
  • dracounguis
    dracounguis Member Posts: 5,363 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Ya, the PD console cooldown is a killer- but comes in handy in 'the Vault' against shuttles.

    Too bad it got nerfed from "F-ing AWESOME!" to just "ok".
  • forcemajeure
    forcemajeure Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    swamarian wrote: »
    If you're going for the T'varo pair, you might as well get the Romulan Starter pack. It's about the same, but comes with a liberated borg tactical officer as well.

    I looked at that pack, and if you consider the Lib. Borg officer to be worth 400-500 Zen then it means this ship combo is in effect always 'on sale'... so deferred that purchase til I rebuilt the Zen balance a little.

    Good tip though and thanks.
  • centaurianalpha
    centaurianalpha Member Posts: 1,150 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Hmmmm... none! Had I known the ship sale was only going to be 20%, I would have taken advantage of the Lobi sale instead. Besides, chances are good that a FE in the new release may lead to a new ship, so I'll wait & see. And don't forget that the Winter Event is only a couple of months away; a ship grind is a normal feature of that event, as well... :rolleyes:
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