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Travel time, how fast can you get to Delta Quadrant?
tarsydehol
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Hello fellow captains.
Ok, I know in game we can tour the galaxy in just a matter of minutes, and with transwarp destinations, everything is basically a load screen away.
But, in "real life", or at least if this was a TV series or movie, how long would take a ship to go from Earth Spacedock all the way to the Dyson Sphere Gateway, and from there to the Delta Quadrant.
Is Iconian gateway tech really suppose to instantly take you from one side of the galaxy to the other? Or is there some time spent on the process?
Do you think is possible to have breakfast in ESD, go to Dyson Sphere for lunch and be back at your house at Vulcan by dinner?
Or any voyage to the Delta Quadrant is a commitment of at least weeks long, if not months?
See ya.
Ok, I know in game we can tour the galaxy in just a matter of minutes, and with transwarp destinations, everything is basically a load screen away.
But, in "real life", or at least if this was a TV series or movie, how long would take a ship to go from Earth Spacedock all the way to the Dyson Sphere Gateway, and from there to the Delta Quadrant.
Is Iconian gateway tech really suppose to instantly take you from one side of the galaxy to the other? Or is there some time spent on the process?
Do you think is possible to have breakfast in ESD, go to Dyson Sphere for lunch and be back at your house at Vulcan by dinner?
Or any voyage to the Delta Quadrant is a commitment of at least weeks long, if not months?
See ya.
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The Dyson Sphere itself isn't in Romulan Space. The Gateway to it is. And from the introduction missions in the Sphere the Solanae sphere is located in the Delta Quadrant only by technicality (something about it being right on the edge of the Delta and Beta Quadrant). So it's closer to home than Voyager ever got by the time of Endgame.
Supposedly there was also a deep space federation ship rerouted to its location, putting it not an unfeasible travel distance away.
Edit: U.S.S. Callisto was approximately 30,000ly from Sol by 2409 on a long-term exploration mission. There's no data on exactly how long they've been out there.
in "real life" people will speculate and call em theories, but really its just another opinion without anything to back it up.
in trek, transwarp is significantly faster then warp, obviously since the borg use this tech. ships in the aq and bq use quantum slipstream drive technology to get around, similar to transwarp drive, however when it was experimented on by voyager back in the day it was almost a disaster so clearly in sto canon it was perfected.
as for the iconian gateways, only a handful were ever discovered, a few were destroyed, but the bigger iconian gateways. i doubt vulcan had its own iconian gateway. so the chances are you could be done with breakfast, find your way on a ship, qsd to jouret which could take a few days, go through the gateway, do what you need come back through (based on what was seen of the gateways its instant travel from one point to the next even while your stepping through), then get the ship qsd on and get back to vulcan. typically by warp alone it should take a few weeks to get around, the qsd should takes a few days instead.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
This estimate is based on:
- The Dauntless would have taken 3 months to get the Voyager crew home, had it not been a trap
- Transwarp is indicated to be faster than Slipstream (Voyager traveled further using a borg transwarp coil, than when they went with the Dauntless-emulated Slipstream)
That said, there was this one time where Voyager went almost the entire way to the Alpha Quadrant in minutes (But crashed, and then not crashed because Kim reversed it). Plothole, right there... let's ignore that.
:eek:
It will be (according to the Big Rip hypothesis [Caldwel, et.al.]) at least 22 billion years before the cosmic expansion powered dark energy overcomes galactic gravitational binding.
Getting from point A to point B in the galaxy doesn't require going faster than (or at) lightspeed--it simply requires aiming for where the object will be at the end of your travel time. (Case in point: the Apollo 11 mission didn't aim for the Moon--it aimed for where the Moon would be in three days, three hours, and forty-nine minutes from the time of launch.)
That bit of pedantry aside, the travel times between sectors and quadrants in Star Trek have always been a bit on the convenient side given that the episodes and movies can't show the characters aging significantly (unless it's a plot point). The distance from Earth to Betelgeuse is 643±146 light years. Warp factor 9, according to the formula posited from ST:TNG, is about 1,516c. Fastest travel time to Betegeuse (rounding off), then, is 643/1516 years, about 155 days. Travel time to Vulcan from Earth (presumably 16 light years based on the show) at Warp 9 is three days, twenty hours. (Travel at Warp 9 is very expensive energetically, too, so that speed will only be used for emergencies.)
So, no, the odds of having dinner on Vulcan aren't very good even if you skip the bits about using the Iconian gateways.
From what I heard somewhere on this very forum, the speed of QSD was stated to be 1/12 LY/s. I ran a calculation, and it would take a little over an hour for Voyager to get home from the Delta Quadrant.
EDIT: I checked the math myself, and the speed sounds right. Your move!
EDIT 2: Wow, I frakked up there. Ignore this post until I redo the numbers
EDIT 3: After another set of calculations, it looks like it would take Voyager 9.72 days to get home under slipstream power, assuming they were capable of holding that speed for that amount of time. So your post sounds a little more reasonable after that. Sorry xD
My editor trashed most of my equations, unfortunately, dropped the ^'s, but I did quite a bit of math on the subject, using several different canon/semi-canon scales. Using the warp speeds reachable in-game, it would take about 280 days in the TOS scale (the one which Voyager's own 70 year estimate was based on), 79 in the most commonly used (non-infinite) version of the TNG scale (Voyager would only have needed about 30 years in this scale), and we'd all turn into lizards in the Threshold scale (in this scale, Voyager itself should have been home in time with a full season to spare before the Dominion War broke out).
Also, based on pacing out the speeds ships move in sector space, it would take under 3 days (Voyager could have made it home before the end of episode 1, gone back to drop Neelix off, come back home again, and they still would have needed 9 minutes of Harry-Tom bromance to pad out the runtime).
Well mathwise, the 1 hour scenario wasn't unreasonable based on the episode where voyager crashed.
The dauntless on the other hand was estimated (and mentioned) to be 3 months.
So the STO starfleet must use some sort of cross-breed between to two... So you are neither wrong or right... Somewhere inbetween...
It's weird, because in the same episode as introducing the Dauntless and saying it'd take 3 months to go 70k ly, they had a distance travelled/time that directly contradicts that. 300 ly in an hour doesn't sound like the kind of thing that would bring you home after months, does it? More like a week. Maybe the estimates on the Dauntless' speed were... very conservative? I dunno.
thats based on the deflectors ability to power the quantum field and continued modulation. and your working from the fake dauntless, that was an alien ship that may have used a different deflector and power systems that could be substantially more powerful and advanced then that of voyager or just different.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
with an iconian gateway its like if you imagine a hallway with just 2 doors, if you walk through one doorway you instantly come through the other, even if you stick you head through and look down the corridor beyond you would see the rest of you still standing on the other side of the door with your head going through, now imagine the first door it is where you are standing and the other door is anywhere you want it to be, now you can basically travel from where ever you have placed that door to wherever you want to go in the blink of an eye.
of course it will still take a certain amount of time to travel through the door depending on how fast you are moving but its still in all intents as quick as it will take you to walk from one room to another.
of course a wormhole is totally different in that although it still connects 2 different points in space it is more like a corridor with a entrance and exit, it all depends on the length of the corridor how long it will take you to pass through it, if the corridor is only a few feet long it wont take very long but if it is 100 miles long it will take a fair bit longer.
you will also have to consider if there is air to breath in a wormhole and at the other end of it or even on the other side of a gateway unless you are protected within a vessel.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Semantically (pedantically?) speaking, I would argue that Quantum Slipstream drive is a form of "transwarp," along with any other tech which allows a ship to travel faster than Warp 10.
I also think it's unfair to assume that Voyager's Quantum Slipstream drive was the fastest, most efficient possible QS engine. While Voyager wasn't able to travel faster than a Borg transwarp conduit using QS technology, I wouldn't say it's necessarily impossible.
It should also be noted that the various series appeared to depict two types of Borg transwarp conduits: those created using a Cube's transwarp coil, which lingered after being formed but ultimately collapsing (encountered by the Enterprise-D), and those created and maintained by the transwarp apertures and hubs, which appeared to be stable and long-term, if not permanent. It's possible that the permanent conduits are faster than the ship-created ones, and may be similar to ship-created QS conduits, but of course it's all conjecture.