Remember the start of DS9 when the station effortlessly moved to the wormhole location? Well..
(If Colm Meaney could do the character voice for the expert engineer it would be great)
A refitted Empok Nor station although would take time, should be able to make it to the Delta Quadrent gateway stopping all the nasty folks travelling back this way.
Looking at the scaling of the Iconian gateways it would fit through fairly comfortably and also with the gameplay would be a good base to start when entering the Delta Quadrent.
It could be incorperated in a 21 day featured episode collecting relocation points for a dil windfall on completion and a gold level duty officer.
DEN = Defend Empok Nor
I was thinking over a 3 week period starting from the mon - thurs/fri 1st week, the DEN feature would be in allied space it would play like the defend the starbase with a different skin. weekend featured would be storming the gate, double the basic rewards using the same sector map as Elachi invasion to fend off attackers as it goes through.
Week 2:
Helping the station through the dyson maps with two waves first being voth then the undine,
maybe have the Sci options to reinforce atmospheric propultion systems. the weekend double event could feature the gate over the star with a sci reinforce shields.
Week 3:
At the primary Alpha gateway in the delta quadrent stopping itgetting blown up as sci option beam in supplies and make operational.
I wouldn't exactly call moving DS9 "effortless"... please note that they almost went boom until O'Brien stabilised the subspace field thingy. And also remember that moving a space station a few hundred thousand kilometres is a whole lot different from moving one several hundred light-years, as would be required to get Empok Nor all the way from its current location, to the Tau Dewa sector block.
Having said that, I would totally support this idea. Just slap a quantum slipstream drive or a few transwarp coils on it, and it could work! Now imagine going along for that ride...
I wouldn't exactly call moving DS9 "effortless"... please note that they almost went boom until O'Brien stabilised the subspace field thingy. And also remember that moving a space station a few hundred thousand kilometres is a whole lot different from moving one several hundred light-years, as would be required to get Empok Nor all the way from its current location, to the Tau Dewa sector block.
Having said that, I would totally support this idea. Just slap a quantum slipstream drive or a few transwarp coils on it, and it could work! Now imagine going along for that ride...
As long as we're dragging a huge station around, why not just turn it into a traveling circus?
Can warp fields be expanded to move things like moons and planets?
Planets make much better defense platforms than ships/stations. You cannot breach the hull of a planet or cause explosive decompression.
Can warp fields be expanded to move things like moons and planets?
Planets make much better defense platforms than ships/stations. You cannot breach the hull of a planet or cause explosive decompression.
No. Expanding a warp field to encompass two ships instead of one is dangerous enough, trying to make one the size of an entire planet would be suicide.
It would be a perfect opportunity to revamp the interior of DS9 as well.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Wouldn't it be diplomatically difficult? After all, Empok Nor is still owned by the Cardassians and located in Cardassian space (even if they've abandoned it).
You don't have to move the station, move a gateway.
Gateways have been activated all across the galaxy, stands to reason there's a handful in Cardie space as well. Hopefully the True Way have their hands on a few, then all sorts of disaster and mayhem could ensue.
Remember the start of DS9 when the station effortlessly moved to the wormhole location? Well..
(If Colm Meaney could do the character voice for the expert engineer it would be great)
A refitted Empok Nor station although would take time, should be able to make it to the Delta Quadrent gateway stopping all the nasty folks travelling back this way.
Looking at the scaling of the Iconian gateways it would fit through fairly comfortably and also with the gameplay would be a good base to start when entering the Delta Quadrent.
It could be incorperated in a 21 day featured episode collecting relocation points for a dil windfall on completion and a gold level duty officer.
DEN = Defend Empok Nor
I was thinking over a 3 week period starting from the mon - thurs/fri 1st week, the DEN feature would be in allied space it would play like the defend the starbase with a different skin. weekend featured would be storming the gate, double the basic rewards using the same sector map as Elachi invasion to fend off attackers as it goes through.
Week 2:
Helping the station through the dyson maps with two waves first being voth then the undine,
maybe have the Sci options to reinforce atmospheric propultion systems. the weekend double event could feature the gate over the star with a sci reinforce shields.
Week 3:
At the primary Alpha gateway in the delta quadrent stopping itgetting blown up as sci option beam in supplies and make operational.
I Rechristen thee station Delta prime.
Just spitballing
I don't think it makes sense as a Delta Quadrant location.
I can see a couple of counter-proposals, however:
Revamp Empok Nor as an ADVENTURE ZONE when they get around to revamping Cardassian content (which I understand is a longterm plan). (Similarly Mirror Terok Nor could use the same upgrades as a foundation.)
We do know that the Caretaker brought a Cardassian Galor to the Delta Quadrant before Voyager. We also know that the Galor was destroyed. That does NOT mean that all the Cardassians died however. We also have Seska as an ally of the Kazon for some time. Either of these or some combination could have allowed for a Nor station to have been constructed in the Delta Quadrant over the past 40 years. All it takes is someone with the design and know how and a workforce. Though I think if Cryptic went this way, it would probably be a somewhat distinctive Nor station, probably incorporating some kind of Delta Quadrant technology.
I think it would be fun to see a Cardassian handled similar to Voyager's False Profits. In that episode, we saw a couple of Ferengi from TNG who had setup shop as Prime Directive violators in the Delta Quadrant. That was played mostly for laughs but I'd think some old school Cardassians could have something far more scary.
Even Captain Ransom from Equinox had limits and so did the Klingons. Ransom enslaved energy beings but at his worst he came from a Federation perspective. What WOULD Cardassian soldiers from the worst and most militaristic side of Cardassian culture do? Setup cloning tech to bolster their numbers? Enslave or brainwash a local population to serve them?
Cardassians can really be "no limits" thinkers when it comes to breaching other cultures' moral boundaries. So if you start off with a hundred Cardassian soldiers (several of which might be Obsidian order) in escape pods with a computer library, I'd think they could have done a lot in 40 years. Even if you choose to see Captain Ransom as completely evil and truly resourceful, he was blowing all of his resources getting home. A group of Cardassians, meanwhile, might instead decide to setup shop on a planet and occupy it.
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Moving a station that's pretty much falling apart isn't viable. Empok Nor is in worse condition than DS9 was when she was being set up by Starfleet and the Bajorans. A better option would either be build a new station or use something that's already existing on that side, like... oh I don't know... the Jenolan Dyson Sphere?
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Refit it and move it to the other side of the wormhole in the Gamma Quadrant. Then you have bookends on the wormhole and can sustain trade on both sides.
Remember the start of DS9 when the station effortlessly moved to the wormhole location? Well..
(If Colm Meaney could do the character voice for the expert engineer it would be great)
A refitted Empok Nor station although would take time, should be able to make it to the Delta Quadrent gateway stopping all the nasty folks travelling back this way.
Looking at the scaling of the Iconian gateways it would fit through fairly comfortably and also with the gameplay would be a good base to start when entering the Delta Quadrent.
It could be incorperated in a 21 day featured episode collecting relocation points for a dil windfall on completion and a gold level duty officer.
DEN = Defend Empok Nor
I was thinking over a 3 week period starting from the mon - thurs/fri 1st week, the DEN feature would be in allied space it would play like the defend the starbase with a different skin. weekend featured would be storming the gate, double the basic rewards using the same sector map as Elachi invasion to fend off attackers as it goes through.
Week 2:
Helping the station through the dyson maps with two waves first being voth then the undine,
maybe have the Sci options to reinforce atmospheric propultion systems. the weekend double event could feature the gate over the star with a sci reinforce shields.
Week 3:
At the primary Alpha gateway in the delta quadrent stopping itgetting blown up as sci option beam in supplies and make operational.
I Rechristen thee station Delta prime.
Just spitballing
What a great idea that would be, as well it would create a permanent station within the DQ, this relying on the Dyson Sphere is so gimmicky it is beyond pathetic. It could and would provide for a great outpost, as well anyone that is not apart of a fleet make it into a community based construction project, we don't necessary need to bring the station to the DQ but do so in a manner that it is so run down that it needs extra building done onto it. But again, that would make way to much sense for Cryptic.
Another thing they could do is place other outer defensive and platforms at the location of the station within the DQ. This idea that we need to rely on these Dyson Spheres come on?
You don't have to move the station, move a gateway.
Gateways have been activated all across the galaxy, stands to reason there's a handful in Cardie space as well. Hopefully the True Way have their hands on a few, then all sorts of disaster and mayhem could ensue.
I'll go call Allstate.
The entire situation of relying on these gateways is to much of a gimmick, not very startrek either, it seems more stargate than anything else. But having a station moved or built in the DQ could become a community based construction project, for those that are not apart of a fleet. AS well, a new hub which iam not all that interested in the se Dyson Sphere Gateways systems. No consequences in using these or the "What IF' situation. Just like the situation with the liberated Borg, no side effects to these new liberated borg.
Wouldn't it be diplomatically difficult? After all, Empok Nor is still owned by the Cardassians and located in Cardassian space (even if they've abandoned it).
It is unfortunate that we have so many assets like Empok Nor that are not utilized, just like so many other outposts, like Jupiter Station, Midas Array shall i go on?
The entire situation of relying on these gateways is to much of a gimmick, not very startrek either, it seems more stargate than anything else. But having a station moved or built in the DQ could become a community based construction project, for those that are not apart of a fleet. AS well, a new hub which iam not all that interested in the se Dyson Sphere Gateways systems. No consequences in using these or the "What IF' situation. Just like the situation with the liberated Borg, no side effects to these new liberated borg.
Contagion (TNG season 2) is from March 20, 1989.
Stargate (The Movie) wasn't released until 5 1/2 years later, October 28, 1994.
I don't disagree with you, the more you use something (like iconian gates) the less gravity they have on the overall plot. And who the hell knows why they're related to Dyson Spheres at all.
Stargate (The Movie) wasn't released until 5 1/2 years later, October 28, 1994.
I don't disagree with you, the more you use something (like iconian gates) the less gravity they have on the overall plot. And who the hell knows why they're related to Dyson Spheres at all.
I know, it is just seems to convenient and gimmicky. While doing nothing to really expand the game in regards to mechanics, expansion or more realistic universe than what we have. It is utter frustration at the direction that Cryptic has taken the game, i think they have lost taking the opportunities that have no been explored or realized in expanding the game.
It would be nice if it could work and even have it towed at warp with a subspace field could be fiesable. as I said it wouldn't be quick a - three week bonus event in STO time with the challenges of keeping it flying in an atmosphere or not burning up on the brown dwarf in transit.
Wouldn't it be diplomatically difficult? After all, Empok Nor is still owned by the Cardassians and located in Cardassian space (even if they've abandoned it).
The cardassians are part of the allies and would suit thier interests to have a presence in the DQ with their diplomats actually running the station
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But seriously, that's an awesome idea, and i fully endorse this as a potential, actual, thing.
Great idea, nicely thought out! +1
Having said that, I would totally support this idea. Just slap a quantum slipstream drive or a few transwarp coils on it, and it could work! Now imagine going along for that ride...
As long as we're dragging a huge station around, why not just turn it into a traveling circus?
Oh, come now. That would be ridiculous :P
Can warp fields be expanded to move things like moons and planets?
Planets make much better defense platforms than ships/stations. You cannot breach the hull of a planet or cause explosive decompression.
No. Expanding a warp field to encompass two ships instead of one is dangerous enough, trying to make one the size of an entire planet would be suicide.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Gateways have been activated all across the galaxy, stands to reason there's a handful in Cardie space as well. Hopefully the True Way have their hands on a few, then all sorts of disaster and mayhem could ensue.
I'll go call Allstate.
I don't think it makes sense as a Delta Quadrant location.
I can see a couple of counter-proposals, however:
Revamp Empok Nor as an ADVENTURE ZONE when they get around to revamping Cardassian content (which I understand is a longterm plan). (Similarly Mirror Terok Nor could use the same upgrades as a foundation.)
We do know that the Caretaker brought a Cardassian Galor to the Delta Quadrant before Voyager. We also know that the Galor was destroyed. That does NOT mean that all the Cardassians died however. We also have Seska as an ally of the Kazon for some time. Either of these or some combination could have allowed for a Nor station to have been constructed in the Delta Quadrant over the past 40 years. All it takes is someone with the design and know how and a workforce. Though I think if Cryptic went this way, it would probably be a somewhat distinctive Nor station, probably incorporating some kind of Delta Quadrant technology.
I think it would be fun to see a Cardassian handled similar to Voyager's False Profits. In that episode, we saw a couple of Ferengi from TNG who had setup shop as Prime Directive violators in the Delta Quadrant. That was played mostly for laughs but I'd think some old school Cardassians could have something far more scary.
Even Captain Ransom from Equinox had limits and so did the Klingons. Ransom enslaved energy beings but at his worst he came from a Federation perspective. What WOULD Cardassian soldiers from the worst and most militaristic side of Cardassian culture do? Setup cloning tech to bolster their numbers? Enslave or brainwash a local population to serve them?
Cardassians can really be "no limits" thinkers when it comes to breaching other cultures' moral boundaries. So if you start off with a hundred Cardassian soldiers (several of which might be Obsidian order) in escape pods with a computer library, I'd think they could have done a lot in 40 years. Even if you choose to see Captain Ransom as completely evil and truly resourceful, he was blowing all of his resources getting home. A group of Cardassians, meanwhile, might instead decide to setup shop on a planet and occupy it.
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What a great idea that would be, as well it would create a permanent station within the DQ, this relying on the Dyson Sphere is so gimmicky it is beyond pathetic. It could and would provide for a great outpost, as well anyone that is not apart of a fleet make it into a community based construction project, we don't necessary need to bring the station to the DQ but do so in a manner that it is so run down that it needs extra building done onto it. But again, that would make way to much sense for Cryptic.
Another thing they could do is place other outer defensive and platforms at the location of the station within the DQ. This idea that we need to rely on these Dyson Spheres come on?
The entire situation of relying on these gateways is to much of a gimmick, not very startrek either, it seems more stargate than anything else. But having a station moved or built in the DQ could become a community based construction project, for those that are not apart of a fleet. AS well, a new hub which iam not all that interested in the se Dyson Sphere Gateways systems. No consequences in using these or the "What IF' situation. Just like the situation with the liberated Borg, no side effects to these new liberated borg.
It is unfortunate that we have so many assets like Empok Nor that are not utilized, just like so many other outposts, like Jupiter Station, Midas Array shall i go on?
Contagion (TNG season 2) is from March 20, 1989.
Stargate (The Movie) wasn't released until 5 1/2 years later, October 28, 1994.
I don't disagree with you, the more you use something (like iconian gates) the less gravity they have on the overall plot. And who the hell knows why they're related to Dyson Spheres at all.
I know, it is just seems to convenient and gimmicky. While doing nothing to really expand the game in regards to mechanics, expansion or more realistic universe than what we have. It is utter frustration at the direction that Cryptic has taken the game, i think they have lost taking the opportunities that have no been explored or realized in expanding the game.
The cardassians are part of the allies and would suit thier interests to have a presence in the DQ with their diplomats actually running the station
Iggy Pop could give his voice to the interactive exhibits.
But then you'd have to pay with latinum to get in. Then, of course cryptic would make a zen to latinum exchange.