Well, for as long as some of us have been around these parts, I'm quite sure we're all insane by now. :P
In all seriousness though, I think what might be throwing you off is that the Guardian isn't really a new cruiser so to speak, but rather a ship that takes all the best parts of our already existing cruisers and smashes them together into one solid all-arounder. That was what I felt watching it in action today anyway. It felt very familiar, maybe even nostalgic. At the same time though it also felt fresh. So although it's technically a new cruiser, it's kind of not. If that makes any sense. Hey I'm insane too ya know.
Well, for as long as some of us have been around these parts, I'm quite sure we're all insane by now. :P
In all seriousness though, I think what might be throwing you off is that the Guardian isn't really a new cruiser so to speak, but rather a ship that takes all the best parts of our already existing cruisers and smashes them together into one solid all-arounder. That was what I felt watching it in action today anyway. It felt very familiar, maybe even nostalgic. At the same time though it also felt fresh. So although it's technically a new cruiser, it's kind of not. If that makes any sense. Hey I'm insane too ya know.
To quote Wednesday Addams, "I'm crazier than you" :P
Layout wise, it strikes me as a fusion of the fleet excel and the fleet ambo.
Terrible build he had, but yeah I'm now dead set on buying this thing. Being able to remove the silly bumper on the saucer and the mini nacelles fixes it for me. I'm sure I can get that thing looking great now.
the saucer is not flat on the bottom. in fact near the neck there is a huge "canyon" or "trench" area. it is also "tiered" much like the top
Now that I saw the live stream I'm all ready to buy this ship. I've always been a tac in a cruiser, and now I have what I feel are the best parts of the Ambassador and the Regent (fleet of course). I can't wait to get this.
Build wise -- if I'm going to Aux2batt it, it's an easy build. If not, it's a little more involved, but it'll make using an intel power or 2 much easier.
Dunno -- going to have to experiment once I get it. 10 days and counting.
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It is a powerfull ship for sure, i guess smirks built wasnt too optimized in order to make the new content look a bit more engaging. Nohing wrong with that but i think with a good built the ship will be quite formidable.
I must admit im not completly sold on those intelligence powers. Especially the beacon. I see some strategic use for some ships in pvp, however i think id put some standart boff powers into that slot.
No matter its nice to see it can truely run enough powers of all branches so it can be quite a powerhouse.
The costumization options are rather limited though and i have to admit i dont realy like its look. Its not so much the individual parts but the proportions.
But beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder so i wont comment any further on the looks.
Im glad they added the guardian in the T6 lineup because without a classic looking fed ship the lineup wouldnt be complete imho.
Personally i like my ships halfway optimized mixed with a bit of canon feel and the occasional gimmick for the fun of it.
For me that is represented in the tempest, the vesta and the odessey when it comes to tier 5/fleet level ships.
For the time being i think ill stick to those for the time being as i dont see those ships replaced by the guardian.
Maybe the design will grow on me like the oddy did, time will tell. But from the current lineup its the only fed ship i might buy. But i think ill get the new raptor first.
My inner klingon wins this time.
Personally i like my ships halfway optimized mixed with a bit of canon feel and the occasional gimmick for the fun of it.
For me that is represented in the tempest, the vesta and the odessey when it comes to tier 5/fleet level ships.
You just named the 3 Fed ships for my 3 Fed Captains. Those are the 3 (Fed) ships that I consider best overall for their classes. There are certainly other ships in those classes that are better at one thing or another, but I find those are the 3 ships I go to for fun, versatile, and still very competitive play.
I don't think the Guardian is going to be a bad ship, but the more I look at the T6 ships, the more I feel I will play them for a bit, then go straight back to my tried and true ones.
I actually like the Enterprise being an Odyssey. She fits the feel of 'Enterprise' quite well in my opinion. As to my Guardian, I'll probably go with something in the same basic 'tree' as Guardian. Protector, Aegis, Defender. Something in that line of thought.
mine will be the Victoria-B. the Victoria-A in my sig is actually based off of the ship form an old table top RPG we use to play when DS9 started airing so in universe the ship is 40 years old and has already gone through 1 major refit (to a gal-x)
So Smirk's building style apart, I'm wondering how you guys that saw the livestream feel about the ship now? Also I wanted to ask if anyone noticed - the saucer on the underside, is it flat or does it actually have some "meat" to it on the underside as well? I thought it was flat, but it seemed like it's not totally flat on the underside from what I was able to see.
I'm happy with the customization options it got - "unifying" the split bussard collectors and dumping the mini nacelles while retaining the standard Guardian pylons were at the top of my list. Happy that the "bumper" can go bye-bye as well. The "hand" holding the saucer in Cryptic's designs is something I loathe, although this one looks shockingly well on the top. On the underside however.....there is something 'off' with that part, I'm not sure I can clearly pin-point what.
I'm still not decided between this and the Dauntless for my new sci. char. I'm going to get one ot those 2, I'm just not sure which one I prefer yet. Looks are the no.1 in the decision for me and I don't know yet, this ship looks great and has an amazing Boff layout yet I feel like something is missing design-wise. What do you guys think? Or have I just played one cruiser too many and am going insane?
Well, from a canon perspective the Guardian is the only ship you could use.Why? Because as a Cryptic design it can't do much damage to established rules and looks okay-ish. The Dauntless' excuse for being in the game feels like someone is trying to shove bamboo-toothpicks beneath my hoof wall
If I had a vacant captain I would consider the Guardian. But I don't, everyone has his or her ship and I don't want to join the T6 hype train right now XD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Any one thinks the Guardian design should be the next Enterprise? Would they change the in game Enterprise for something other than the Oddy?
Do you guys name your ship Enterprise?
The Guardian shoudln't and can't be the new Enterprise given how it's only 1 year newer than the Odyssey. Furthermore I highly doubt that anything else besides the Odyssey would be an 'Enterprise' in this game, given how it took us 4 MMO years to reach 1+ in game year.
And no, I don't name any of my ships Enterprise since there already is an Enterprise in service - the one commanded by Captain Shon. Technically, we can't name our ship 'Enterprise'.
Going to wait for fleet guardian with 4 tac consoles. Last I heard the regular one only has 3. It looks really nice, I get a "galaxy" feel from it.
As I'm currently getting 13k in ISE with my Ambassador build, I think I'll be okay in the Guardian.
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I genuinely didn't understand what you mean here. Can you explain a bit?
You have a new avatar. Change confuses and scares me XD
Well, the in-game lore, to my knowledge, states that Starfleet just found blueprints of the decoy dauntless which were so awesome they decided to copy it.
Problems with that: the ship was a decoy. It was more or less hastily assembled by a dying race if i remember correctly, maybe even only by a few if not single person. I have to say I dont remember the entire plot right now. But thats what the dauntless was. It barely worked and the cover blew and the wonderdrive was not sustainable. Now we are to believe thete are blueprints to be found for a perfect, better than current Starfleet designs and the corps of engineers even use the exact visuals and hull designs of the decoy when voyager proofed that the drive can work on an intrepid? Further, the canon dauntless was as good as unarmed. But *that* is of course no problem as the copied dauntless can just be converted into a sciscort.
I just cant buy any of this, its hardly better than the reason for us to fly 8472 bioships XD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
You have a new avatar. Change confuses and scares me XD
Well, the in-game lore, to my knowledge, states that Starfleet just found blueprints of the decoy dauntless which were so awesome they decided to copy it.
Problems with that: the ship was a decoy. It was more or less hastily assembled by a dying race if i remember correctly, maybe even only by a few if not single person. I have to say I dont remember the entire plot right now. But thats what the dauntless was. It barely worked and the cover blew and the wonderdrive was not sustainable. Now we are to believe thete are blueprints to be found for a perfect, better than current Starfleet designs and the corps of engineers even use the exact visuals and hull designs of the decoy when voyager proofed that the drive can work on an intrepid? Further, the canon dauntless was as good as unarmed. But *that* is of course no problem as the copied dauntless can just be converted into a sciscort.
I just cant buy any of this, its hardly better than the reason for us to fly 8472 bioships XD
The original Dauntless class science vessel was discovered by the crew of the U.S.S. Voyager in the Delta Quadrant in 2374. Completely alien in origin, the ship and its Quantum Slipstream Drive were created as a trap for the crew. Recently, however, specifications for the ship were discovered in the Delta Quadrant, and the Starfleet Corps of Engineers has been able to recreate this impressive starship as a Tier 6 vessel.
The specs they found were for an actual ship, not Federation of origin (as it was found in the Delta Quadrant), upon which the fake Dauntless was designed upon (one would assume either the aliens that set the trap would have borrowed a general design from another species, or some species copied the general design of the trap ship). The SCE liked the design so much, they copied it using Federation technology. The one thing that the fake Dauntless had going for it was its ability to mimic a ship, which is what its special console is all about. That's about it. It's otherwise a rather normal Federation science vessel.
I can actually buy that easier than I can buy the hundreds of captured Undine bioships kicking around.
Well, I still can't buy it but I forgot about the recycling of the Dauntless model for a vision of the future in ENT. So in at leat one possible timeline the class seemed to be in service. So canon (as much as I despise that piece of canon since the show was so lazy with their CGI recycling and writing) says it's entirely possible. The reason STO states, however, still sounds not convincing to me.
The same future vision shows the Enterprise-J - a awful CGI model which the designer openly admitted to be not finished and made up in merely hours because the production schedule of the show just blew. Oh how I hate that show XD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Well, I still can't buy it but I forgot about the recycling of the Dauntless model for a vision of the future in ENT. So in at leat one possible timeline the class seemed to be in service. So canon (as much as I despise that piece of canon since the show was so lazy with their CGI recycling and writing) says it's entirely possible. The reason STO states, however, still sounds not convincing to me.
The same future vision shows the Enterprise-J - a awful CGI model which the designer openly admitted to be not finished and made up in merely hours because the production schedule of the show just blew. Oh how I hate that show XD
Yeah, they really never got their act together in time for Enterprise to be a worthwhile show. Riding on the fading coat-tails of TNG and DS9, both successful and critically acclaimed, they wanted to just keep things going to milk the franchise, but the shows just weren't as good, both Voyager and Enterprise (IMO).
Anyway, I was just making some kind of half-assed justification for the Dauntless in my mind, as I bought the DR pack and plan on flying every T6 ship long enough to at least get its Mastery on at least one character. No matter how much I feel another ship might suit my playstyle more, I'm going to end up with some significant time in all of these new ships.
Well, I still can't buy it but I forgot about the recycling of the Dauntless model for a vision of the future in ENT. So in at leat one possible timeline the class seemed to be in service. So canon (as much as I despise that piece of canon since the show was so lazy with their CGI recycling and writing) says it's entirely possible. The reason STO states, however, still sounds not convincing to me.
The same future vision shows the Enterprise-J - a awful CGI model which the designer openly admitted to be not finished and made up in merely hours because the production schedule of the show just blew. Oh how I hate that show XD
that is the scene that also shows a vorcha and TOS connie fighting as well in the background?
i think they said they literally just threw in any CGI model they had as there was no time to actually make any thing
You have a new avatar. Change confuses and scares me XD
Ah yes, after bringing nearly all my chars to 50 and leveling a new sci I played around with my TNG char again and the Galaxy, the bridge, uniforms.....just feels like home. So I got into 'Picard mood'.
Well, the in-game lore, to my knowledge, states that Starfleet just found blueprints of the decoy dauntless which were so awesome they decided to copy it.
Problems with that: the ship was a decoy. It was more or less hastily assembled by a dying race if i remember correctly, maybe even only by a few if not single person. I have to say I dont remember the entire plot right now. But thats what the dauntless was. It barely worked and the cover blew and the wonderdrive was not sustainable. Now we are to believe thete are blueprints to be found for a perfect, better than current Starfleet designs and the corps of engineers even use the exact visuals and hull designs of the decoy when voyager proofed that the drive can work on an intrepid? Further, the canon dauntless was as good as unarmed. But *that* is of course no problem as the copied dauntless can just be converted into a sciscort.
I just cant buy any of this, its hardly better than the reason for us to fly 8472 bioships XD
Ah yes, now I see what you were trying to say. Can't say you're not correct although fate has it that this ship designed by alien(s) is more Starfleet-y in it's decoy mode that the intel ships suposedly developed by Starfleet. In a bizare way, it would even make sense for the (STO) Starfleet Corps of Engineers to copy it's visuals since they can't seem to grasp Starfleet design themselves.
See, my issue is that while leveling this newest sci I made I got really deep into science builds and science ships (haven't really tinkered with those for quite a while) and I acquired a newfound love for them, even though I always loved playing science in STO. But now on this new char I have a Luna and Intrepid that parses 1-st in STFs (not that it really matters to me) next to the likes of Defiants, Regents, Avengers, Oddys, etc. And that's awesome.
However, I absolutely hate the look of most of the science ships except the Intrepid and Vesta. I don't want to use an Intrepid cause it's Janeway's ship and for this char I want to use a classic beam sci.ship which the Vesta is not, depsite it's awesomness. I just have to track a lot more things that I don't want to bother with while on my Vesta char, like the hangar, lining up DHC, etc. So if I get a new ship it will be a T6. And at T6 I'm SOL on science with the choice between the abomination that is the Scryer that Cryptic can't pay me enough to use and the Dauntless which is good for very casual PvE pew-pew, but sub-par for pure science purposes. So I don't know...
Then there's the Guardian which has solid science capabilities, but not the pure sci.ship I need. Otherwise the Guardian has everything I ever wanted from a ship - classic design: round saucer, neck, engineering section, 2 nacelles. The Boff layout is a dream come true, versatility at it's finest. It's big and slow, just the way I like it. A heavy tank with all masteries underlining the fact it's suposed to be indestructible. I like that.
It's just....I kinda' want a sci ship...so I'm not sure yet. That excluded, the Guardian is awesome.
Well, I still can't buy it but I forgot about the recycling of the Dauntless model for a vision of the future in ENT. So in at leat one possible timeline the class seemed to be in service. So canon (as much as I despise that piece of canon since the show was so lazy with their CGI recycling and writing) says it's entirely possible. The reason STO states, however, still sounds not convincing to me.
I feel people around here have some perverted desire to cling to that single episode and everything in it as a destined fact, while it's highly debatable that possible future even exists. But no point in turning this thread into a debate about that, so I won't go into it anymore.
I'll just say that background CGI =/= canon, because otherwise we have to accept the Millenium Falcon (and probably Han Solo and Chewbacca) as Star Trek cannon as well. It's just something the producers re-used for budget purposes to cover background and not intended to be a part of the main focus of events.
The same future vision shows the Enterprise-J - a awful CGI model which the designer openly admitted to be not finished and made up in merely hours because the production schedule of the show just blew. Oh how I hate that show XD
Oh dear, now you reminded me of something that actually looks worse than a Scryer. :eek:
that is the scene that also shows a vorcha and TOS connie fighting as well in the background?
i think they said they literally just threw in any CGI model they had as there was no time to actually make any thing
For real? I didn't know it was possible, but my regard for ENT dropped even lower ^^'. I really can't say, I watched the show when it originally aired and never again after that. Sometimes I think to myself that it had potential, just like STO. But then I am reminded what it became in the end...
Ah yes, after bringing nearly all my chars to 50 and leveling a new sci I played around with my TNG char again and the Galaxy, the bridge, uniforms.....just feels like home. So I got into 'Picard mood'.
I can relate, my main ship is an Exploration Cruiser (though it's a Venture-type with Galaxy nacelles and pylons as I don't like the Galaxy in-game model). Though they go with AGT uniforms - makes STO a bit easier to bear XD
Ah yes, now I see what you were trying to say. Can't say you're not correct although fate has it that this ship designed by alien(s) is more Starfleet-y in it's decoy mode that the intel ships suposedly developed by Starfleet. In a bizare way, it would even make sense for the (STO) Starfleet Corps of Engineers to copy it's visuals since they can't seem to grasp Starfleet design themselves.
See, my issue is that while leveling this newest sci I made I got really deep into science builds and science ships (haven't really tinkered with those for quite a while) and I acquired a newfound love for them, even though I always loved playing science in STO. But now on this new char I have a Luna and Intrepid that parses 1-st in STFs (not that it really matters to me) next to the likes of Defiants, Regents, Avengers, Oddys, etc. And that's awesome.
However, I absolutely hate the look of most of the science ships except the Intrepid and Vesta. I don't want to use an Intrepid cause it's Janeway's ship and for this char I want to use a classic beam sci.ship which the Vesta is not, depsite it's awesomness. I just have to track a lot more things that I don't want to bother with while on my Vesta char, like the hangar, lining up DHC, etc. So if I get a new ship it will be a T6. And at T6 I'm SOL on science with the choice between the abomination that is the Scryer that Cryptic can't pay me enough to use and the Dauntless which is good for very casual PvE pew-pew, but sub-par for pure science purposes. So I don't know...
Then there's the Guardian which has solid science capabilities, but not the pure sci.ship I need. Otherwise the Guardian has everything I ever wanted from a ship - classic design: round saucer, neck, engineering section, 2 nacelles. The Boff layout is a dream come true, versatility at it's finest. It's big and slow, just the way I like it. A heavy tank with all masteries underlining the fact it's suposed to be indestructible. I like that.
It's just....I kinda' want a sci ship...so I'm not sure yet. That excluded, the Guardian is awesome.
I won't try to talk you out of it. My sci commands a Nebula, it is pretty close to what you seem to seek but chances are you don't like the ship. But the Cmdr Sci and LTC engineering give it much staying power and a universal lt can either grant you even more science skills or boost the other departments. That being said I am curious about your sci build. Not necessarily because of the ranking, I can't even parse my build because since everyone spams FAW my system will crash if I enter a STF with engaged combat log XD But I'm curious about it If I had a vacant character I'd consider grinding for a Guardian as well.
I feel people around here have some perverted desire to cling to that single episode and everything in it as a destined fact, while it's highly debatable that possible future even exists. But no point in turning this thread into a debate about that, so I won't go into it anymore.
I'll just say that background CGI =/= canon, because otherwise we have to accept the Millenium Falcon (and probably Han Solo and Chewbacca) as Star Trek cannon as well. It's just something the producers re-used for budget purposes to cover background and not intended to be a part of the main focus of events.
Except the Millenium Falcon (which nobody really claims is part of ST canon I hope ) I never had reason to doubt even the background shots. I mean the episode is very clear about it being a possible future, just like AGT showed and we have the Galaxy Refit in STO as well. But in case of Azathi Prime it is so clear that it's just lazy asset recycling it's almost infuriating.
Oh dear, now you reminded me of something that actually looks worse than a Scryer. :eek:
My pleasure XD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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In all seriousness though, I think what might be throwing you off is that the Guardian isn't really a new cruiser so to speak, but rather a ship that takes all the best parts of our already existing cruisers and smashes them together into one solid all-arounder. That was what I felt watching it in action today anyway. It felt very familiar, maybe even nostalgic. At the same time though it also felt fresh. So although it's technically a new cruiser, it's kind of not. If that makes any sense. Hey I'm insane too ya know.
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Layout wise, it strikes me as a fusion of the fleet excel and the fleet ambo.
the saucer is not flat on the bottom. in fact near the neck there is a huge "canyon" or "trench" area. it is also "tiered" much like the top
Build wise -- if I'm going to Aux2batt it, it's an easy build. If not, it's a little more involved, but it'll make using an intel power or 2 much easier.
Dunno -- going to have to experiment once I get it. 10 days and counting.
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I must admit im not completly sold on those intelligence powers. Especially the beacon. I see some strategic use for some ships in pvp, however i think id put some standart boff powers into that slot.
No matter its nice to see it can truely run enough powers of all branches so it can be quite a powerhouse.
The costumization options are rather limited though and i have to admit i dont realy like its look. Its not so much the individual parts but the proportions.
But beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder so i wont comment any further on the looks.
Im glad they added the guardian in the T6 lineup because without a classic looking fed ship the lineup wouldnt be complete imho.
Personally i like my ships halfway optimized mixed with a bit of canon feel and the occasional gimmick for the fun of it.
For me that is represented in the tempest, the vesta and the odessey when it comes to tier 5/fleet level ships.
For the time being i think ill stick to those for the time being as i dont see those ships replaced by the guardian.
Maybe the design will grow on me like the oddy did, time will tell. But from the current lineup its the only fed ship i might buy. But i think ill get the new raptor first.
My inner klingon wins this time.
You just named the 3 Fed ships for my 3 Fed Captains. Those are the 3 (Fed) ships that I consider best overall for their classes. There are certainly other ships in those classes that are better at one thing or another, but I find those are the 3 ships I go to for fun, versatile, and still very competitive play.
I don't think the Guardian is going to be a bad ship, but the more I look at the T6 ships, the more I feel I will play them for a bit, then go straight back to my tried and true ones.
Do you guys name your ship Enterprise?
Well, from a canon perspective the Guardian is the only ship you could use.Why? Because as a Cryptic design it can't do much damage to established rules and looks okay-ish. The Dauntless' excuse for being in the game feels like someone is trying to shove bamboo-toothpicks beneath my hoof wall
If I had a vacant captain I would consider the Guardian. But I don't, everyone has his or her ship and I don't want to join the T6 hype train right now XD
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The Guardian shoudln't and can't be the new Enterprise given how it's only 1 year newer than the Odyssey. Furthermore I highly doubt that anything else besides the Odyssey would be an 'Enterprise' in this game, given how it took us 4 MMO years to reach 1+ in game year.
And no, I don't name any of my ships Enterprise since there already is an Enterprise in service - the one commanded by Captain Shon. Technically, we can't name our ship 'Enterprise'.
I genuinely didn't understand what you mean here. Can you explain a bit?
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As I'm currently getting 13k in ISE with my Ambassador build, I think I'll be okay in the Guardian.
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Ditto. The Flambo can do some surprisingly good dps!
You have a new avatar. Change confuses and scares me XD
Well, the in-game lore, to my knowledge, states that Starfleet just found blueprints of the decoy dauntless which were so awesome they decided to copy it.
Problems with that: the ship was a decoy. It was more or less hastily assembled by a dying race if i remember correctly, maybe even only by a few if not single person. I have to say I dont remember the entire plot right now. But thats what the dauntless was. It barely worked and the cover blew and the wonderdrive was not sustainable. Now we are to believe thete are blueprints to be found for a perfect, better than current Starfleet designs and the corps of engineers even use the exact visuals and hull designs of the decoy when voyager proofed that the drive can work on an intrepid? Further, the canon dauntless was as good as unarmed. But *that* is of course no problem as the copied dauntless can just be converted into a sciscort.
I just cant buy any of this, its hardly better than the reason for us to fly 8472 bioships XD
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The specs they found were for an actual ship, not Federation of origin (as it was found in the Delta Quadrant), upon which the fake Dauntless was designed upon (one would assume either the aliens that set the trap would have borrowed a general design from another species, or some species copied the general design of the trap ship). The SCE liked the design so much, they copied it using Federation technology. The one thing that the fake Dauntless had going for it was its ability to mimic a ship, which is what its special console is all about. That's about it. It's otherwise a rather normal Federation science vessel.
I can actually buy that easier than I can buy the hundreds of captured Undine bioships kicking around.
The same future vision shows the Enterprise-J - a awful CGI model which the designer openly admitted to be not finished and made up in merely hours because the production schedule of the show just blew. Oh how I hate that show XD
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Yeah, they really never got their act together in time for Enterprise to be a worthwhile show. Riding on the fading coat-tails of TNG and DS9, both successful and critically acclaimed, they wanted to just keep things going to milk the franchise, but the shows just weren't as good, both Voyager and Enterprise (IMO).
Anyway, I was just making some kind of half-assed justification for the Dauntless in my mind, as I bought the DR pack and plan on flying every T6 ship long enough to at least get its Mastery on at least one character. No matter how much I feel another ship might suit my playstyle more, I'm going to end up with some significant time in all of these new ships.
that is the scene that also shows a vorcha and TOS connie fighting as well in the background?
i think they said they literally just threw in any CGI model they had as there was no time to actually make any thing
Ah yes, after bringing nearly all my chars to 50 and leveling a new sci I played around with my TNG char again and the Galaxy, the bridge, uniforms.....just feels like home.
Ah yes, now I see what you were trying to say. Can't say you're not correct although fate has it that this ship designed by alien(s) is more Starfleet-y in it's decoy mode that the intel ships suposedly developed by Starfleet. In a bizare way, it would even make sense for the (STO) Starfleet Corps of Engineers to copy it's visuals since they can't seem to grasp Starfleet design themselves.
See, my issue is that while leveling this newest sci I made I got really deep into science builds and science ships (haven't really tinkered with those for quite a while) and I acquired a newfound love for them, even though I always loved playing science in STO. But now on this new char I have a Luna and Intrepid that parses 1-st in STFs (not that it really matters to me) next to the likes of Defiants, Regents, Avengers, Oddys, etc. And that's awesome.
However, I absolutely hate the look of most of the science ships except the Intrepid and Vesta. I don't want to use an Intrepid cause it's Janeway's ship and for this char I want to use a classic beam sci.ship which the Vesta is not, depsite it's awesomness. I just have to track a lot more things that I don't want to bother with while on my Vesta char, like the hangar, lining up DHC, etc. So if I get a new ship it will be a T6. And at T6 I'm SOL on science with the choice between the abomination that is the Scryer that Cryptic can't pay me enough to use and the Dauntless which is good for very casual PvE pew-pew, but sub-par for pure science purposes. So I don't know...
Then there's the Guardian which has solid science capabilities, but not the pure sci.ship I need. Otherwise the Guardian has everything I ever wanted from a ship - classic design: round saucer, neck, engineering section, 2 nacelles. The Boff layout is a dream come true, versatility at it's finest. It's big and slow, just the way I like it. A heavy tank with all masteries underlining the fact it's suposed to be indestructible. I like that.
It's just....I kinda' want a sci ship...so I'm not sure yet. That excluded, the Guardian is awesome.
I feel people around here have some perverted desire to cling to that single episode and everything in it as a destined fact, while it's highly debatable that possible future even exists. But no point in turning this thread into a debate about that, so I won't go into it anymore.
I'll just say that background CGI =/= canon, because otherwise we have to accept the Millenium Falcon (and probably Han Solo and Chewbacca) as Star Trek cannon as well. It's just something the producers re-used for budget purposes to cover background and not intended to be a part of the main focus of events.
Oh dear, now you reminded me of something that actually looks worse than a Scryer. :eek:
For real? I didn't know it was possible, but my regard for ENT dropped even lower ^^'. I really can't say, I watched the show when it originally aired and never again after that. Sometimes I think to myself that it had potential, just like STO. But then I am reminded what it became in the end...
I can relate, my main ship is an Exploration Cruiser (though it's a Venture-type with Galaxy nacelles and pylons as I don't like the Galaxy in-game model). Though they go with AGT uniforms - makes STO a bit easier to bear XD
I won't try to talk you out of it. My sci commands a Nebula, it is pretty close to what you seem to seek but chances are you don't like the ship. But the Cmdr Sci and LTC engineering give it much staying power and a universal lt can either grant you even more science skills or boost the other departments. That being said I am curious about your sci build. Not necessarily because of the ranking, I can't even parse my build because since everyone spams FAW my system will crash if I enter a STF with engaged combat log XD But I'm curious about it
Except the Millenium Falcon (which nobody really claims is part of ST canon I hope
My pleasure XD
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This exactly. The Gaurdian is exactly what a refited Galaxy in this time period should have been.