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i love the guardian
davideight
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after all my critic towards the intel ships i want to give some positive feedback to pw/cryptic designers.
i really love the guardian. the stats and seatings are versatile enough to be be a real post-next gen workhorse cruiser and i love that.
and also i think the ship looks like a really well done mixture of galaxy and ambassador. some suggested some flattening on its overall shape, but i must say its quite good like it is. (i had preferred a more broad saucer maybe (not the egg-shape), but it all looks quite appealing to me)
i also like the nacelle design and the neck and the deflector dish.
i was a bit confused about the "aux nacelles" (thought those were just impulse drives like intrepid ones ^^) but i like the idea, though i was suprised and still question its usefulness, (casue everything hitting the primary nacelle will also impact the sec one i think but ... nice visual gimmic ^^)
so good job. more of this i hope will arrive over the time with delta. still waiting for a "miranda" frigate all universal brel counter to make kdf players cry even more. andor a nebula guardian variant!!! ^^
i really love the guardian. the stats and seatings are versatile enough to be be a real post-next gen workhorse cruiser and i love that.
and also i think the ship looks like a really well done mixture of galaxy and ambassador. some suggested some flattening on its overall shape, but i must say its quite good like it is. (i had preferred a more broad saucer maybe (not the egg-shape), but it all looks quite appealing to me)
i also like the nacelle design and the neck and the deflector dish.
i was a bit confused about the "aux nacelles" (thought those were just impulse drives like intrepid ones ^^) but i like the idea, though i was suprised and still question its usefulness, (casue everything hitting the primary nacelle will also impact the sec one i think but ... nice visual gimmic ^^)
so good job. more of this i hope will arrive over the time with delta. still waiting for a "miranda" frigate all universal brel counter to make kdf players cry even more. andor a nebula guardian variant!!! ^^
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Why? Because in the announcement they say that there will soon be a fleet version. Great, but what they don't say is rather or not buying the C-Store version at release will lower the Module Cost on the fleet version later on.
Now, it should since this is how it usually works, but unless they say for sure then I am extremely hesitant to purchase this ship. I'm afraid I'll pay $25-$30 for it and then 2 months later there will be a Fleet Version that will cost another $20-$25.
Anyone seen any confirmation of Module discount on the Guardian?
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Especially the "fluff text" is somewhat rage inducing. Everything they claim that is achieved with this ship Starfleet already has lots and lots of ships for. It makes no sense, at all.
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Stats wise the Guardian is just as sci heavy as it is tac heavy. It's effectively a "do everything" cruiser.
True, I wanted to come back and edit but forgot about it
It is really what a Starfleet cruiser should look like - it's just insulting that it needs a T6 ship to get that layout when they are canon and other Cryptic creations in game which should have the exact same mission profile.
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I know most Trek Federation ships have the saucer wider than the Nacelle's but the Galaxy took it too far.
Some people may prefer these broad saucers, but I find them odd, considering its rather anomalous in Sci fi to have a Space faring vehicle wider at the front than the back
Heck, name a Starfleet Cruiser that does not have this statement as part of its design brief. They all do, every single one of them:
"Starfleet's Guardian Cruiser was designed to be a very versatile starship capable of accomplishing nearly any classification of mission."
Since Starfleet cruisers are supposed to be just like that they all have it in their descriptions - yet almost none of them has a in-game layout reflecting that
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Nice Stats, and a good all round cruiser. While I wont get one myself, it will be a honour to fight alongside one in my Fleet Assault cruiser
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Only then will it be able to replace my trusty Fleet Assault Cruiser.
and i must say, many or more tac consoles arent really needed for a sucessful tac-cruiser. its more about having access to t-spread, tacteam, faw and beta simultaneously and in highest possible rank. cause one console is just about 30% basedmg more, wich isnt much when you maxed out skills. its basically the same. higher rank of a skill is = one console more for that thing (spread1+3torpconsoles = spread2+2torp consoles)
Agreed. Chances for the Guardian Cruiser to get another Tac console are slim to none.
Likely, there will be a Fleet Module discount for those who own the C-Store (Z-Store?) version as there has been in the past, though there's no official word.
Thats ferengi thinking for you, why fix a broken product when the customer will buy a new one
I say mixed feelings on the lieutenant commander science for several reasons. While it's great that it gains an extra Boff power, science powers are generally not all that helpful in cruiser builds because they tend to run Aux2Batt to be competitive in DPS. This means science powers tend to be very weak. While I do run a science Boff in my fleet sovereign's lieutenant universal slot, I do so mainly because I've no use for anything else and the science abilities are at least worth something - however minor. This cruiser would be much more exciting if it had four tactical consoles and if the LC Science slot was a LC Universal. Then you could sacrifice science powers altogether for intelligence powers in the Eng/Intel slot while still maintaining both C/LC engineering powers. I'm not sure the Intel powers would be worth it, but at least it would be an option that would make the cruiser somewhat more interesting.
As is, this cruiser just looks inferior to what we've already got.. and T5-U will only make it more so. In all, even a fleet guardian (assuming it will gain a 5th engineering console, as most T5 cruisers that don't have one have gained one going to T5-U) doesn't seem to compare to a Fleet T5-U Assault Cruiser Refit.
Edit: After a second look at the stats I also notice that it has a slower turn rate and higher inertia. Thus, it's less maneuverable than our current cruisers as well. In addition, it only has a shield modifier of 1 - another clear downgrade from any current fleet ship (though admittedly the fleet guardian should close this particular gap).
It's unlikely they will change the module discount at this stage for fleet ships. I am very confident that you'll get the discount
She looks really good (in my opinion), and the only thing I would change is giving her longer phaser arrays on the saucer. From the views I've seen - she doesn't have very good fore coverage. That being said, I've already decided I want this as my flagship from now on, and considering we're ranking up to Fleet Admiral, any ship we're parked in is a flagship.
I for one can't wait for the Guardian.
its like a wow paladin, can do anything, cant do anything as good as the full classes ;-)
I see your point here, but in comparison to my current ship (Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit) they are the same tactical bridge layout (assuming you use the Guardian Ensign Universal as a Tactical Station) but the Assault Cruiser has the extra console. Meaning you get the same tactical BoFF powers for both ships, but my current ship also has the extra Tac console. In this case the extra 30% Base Damage can really add up. The Guardian can't make up for the difference with superior BoFF layout. Since I personally prefer a more tactically oriented Cruiser, the Guardian is slightly lackluster to me. It has better Science then my current vessel, but considering I run an Aux2Bat Build the extra Science Abilities do me little good. I don't use many Science Powers due to always having low Aux Power. It's just personal preference, I prefer a more offensive style Cruiser and the Guardian doesn't fit that role as well as my current ship. It's as others have said, it's 'well rounded' but doesn't excel in any one area.
I'm sure you're probably right, but I'm hesitant to buy any T6 C-Store Ship unless they actually confirm that the module discount will still apply once the Fleet version comes out. More then likely it will, I'm just a little hesitant to purchase a C-Store ship without confirmation that I'll be able to get the module discount once the Fleet Versions come out.
Not only that, but buy it twice! Plenty of hardcore Galaxy fans who bought the "do over" Galaxy rebundle because it was better than nothing will also buy the Guardian.
I swear this must be the CEO of PWE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKZhCDbKNCs
as far as the ships outward look is concerned, frankly dont care, one ship is the same as another.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
It's beautiful, and its Boff layout is fantastic; but it's too much of a hero ship for me. You could very easily imagine the name 'Enterprise' painted on its hull; and I'm not comfortable with that.
More than anything, I just wish they'd apply the same artistic style to the Eclipse; because it's harder to imagine Picard flying one of those.
I probably will end up with the Guardian, because I don't like the angles and edges of the Intel ships; but I'm always going to be looking for a smaller and less glamorous alternative (and then probably hating said alternative for its comparatively rubbish Boff setup; like I said, never happy :P).
The Intell ships are not meant to be 'hero' ships driven by Picard...which is why they look the way they do.
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Hit the nail on the head here. This ship is quite simply put inferior to several current Fleet T5 cruisers, and will definitely be inferior to their T5-U version. Even a Fleet T6 Guardian will likely be inferior to a Fleet T5-U Assault Cruiser or Excelsior.
The Devs seem adament that the T6 ships aren't meant to be head and shoulders above T5-U ships. There are people, like myself, who look forward to have a decent looking jack-of-all-trades cruiser like the Guardian looks to be. There are others who are just looking for the best DPS. I don't think it's fair to believe that a T6 should automatically out-gun a T5-U ship. That's just not how this was all planned out. T6 doesn't look to be designed around DPS at all. After all, they're not getting extra weapons slots, very few are getting a large number of Tac Console slots, and pretty much everyone T5 and higher can slot Mk XIV gear anyway, which is the only other deciding DPS factor.
I think the whole point of the designs is that if you want some new toys, here you go. If you're happy with the ships you've got, the T5-U upgrade is going to make things automatically better. Just upgrading to T5-U gives an extra 15% hull, scaling up to 33% hull at level 60. That's huge. But DPS? Some mastery passives will affect that, but the passives are the same regardless of T5-U or T6. They only vary by ship category (Escort, Cruiser, Science).
So, "inferior" is an oversimplification. In pure DPS? Sure. But I'd like to think there are many ways to both have fun and still be at least highly competitive outside of "highest DPS."