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Dauntless Multifaction - Possible?

reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
edited September 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Just a slightly off thought about the Dauntless release. Since the original Dauntless was in fact built by Species 116, and even the dev blog says the plans for it were 'found' in the Delta Quadrant, why does it have to be Starfleet only? Whats to stop the Klingons and the Romulans from using the same plans?

In game terms, using the same ship model and stats for everyone (exact same, no cloaks or singularity or anything, since everyone has the same blueprints), but then just use the different factional hull materials. I mean I'm not a modeler or anything, but I genuinely ask how difficult would it be to take the same physical model, then paint it Romulan green instead of Starfleet gray? Or is there more to it than that?

Thoughts?
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Possible? Sure.

    Likely? Nah.
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  • shmojoshmojo Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Considering where it originally came from in the episode, I wouldn't mind seeing KDF/ROM have this thing as well. They certainly need more ships in the DR pack, since FED far outnumbers them.
  • jarodroto123jarodroto123 Member Posts: 1,337 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Just a slightly off thought about the Dauntless release. Since the original Dauntless was in fact built by Species 116, and even the dev blog says the plans for it were 'found' in the Delta Quadrant, why does it have to be Starfleet only? Whats to stop the Klingons and the Romulans from using the same plans?

    In game terms, using the same ship model and stats for everyone (exact same, no cloaks or singularity or anything, since everyone has the same blueprints), but then just use the different factional hull materials. I mean I'm not a modeler or anything, but I genuinely ask how difficult would it be to take the same physical model, then paint it Romulan green instead of Starfleet gray? Or is there more to it than that?

    Thoughts?

    more to it definitely


    aside from that i dont believe that the design of the ship has any place in the kdf or romulan fleets, it just looks too damn fed for that
  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    It should definitely be cross-faction. Especially considering the KDF and RR don't get a T6 sci ship.

    Is it going to happen? The fed players would flip their ****, and of course we can't have that.
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  • schneemann83schneemann83 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Realistically, there is nothing stopping any of the three f(r)actions to "share" each and every ship. Especially the RR could do nothing if Fed or KDF decide to confiscate their ships and use and build them as their own.

    With lockboxed Xindi ships we're possibly already on the way into such a future where everyone can fly anything.
  • binebanebinebane Member Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Just a slightly off thought about the Dauntless release. Since the original Dauntless was in fact built by Species 116, and even the dev blog says the plans for it were 'found' in the Delta Quadrant, why does it have to be Starfleet only? Whats to stop the Klingons and the Romulans from using the same plans?

    In game terms, using the same ship model and stats for everyone (exact same, no cloaks or singularity or anything, since everyone has the same blueprints), but then just use the different factional hull materials. I mean I'm not a modeler or anything, but I genuinely ask how difficult would it be to take the same physical model, then paint it Romulan green instead of Starfleet gray? Or is there more to it than that?

    Thoughts?

    maybe starfleet found it and refuse to share it. or they simply dont like it becouse its too federatish.

    but why should starfleet reproduce alien technolgy? or why it did not reproduce it earlier?
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    jarodroto123 wrote: »
    more to it definitely

    aside from that i dont believe that the design of the ship has any place in the kdf or romulan fleets, it just looks too damn fed for that

    I dunno, they change ship materials all the time for various set shields. And really its an alien ship that just is made to look Federation. Why can't it look like something else instead?
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Wouldn't that be a cool idea - a multi-faction Dauntless that can use KDF, Romulan and Klingon hull materials?
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  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Stick a Negh'Var skin on it and call it a day and many will be happy so long as we can get a sci ship. For the Rommies maybe just use a base D'Deridex skin as it wont spend long looking like that anyway when it goes into battle.
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  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    why does it have to be Starfleet only? Whats to stop the ... Romulans from using the same plans?
    Because it's ugly?
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  • thepopeofbeersthepopeofbeers Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I would throw all my Zen at Cryptic if I could fly the Dauntless red side. Makes sense too, from a lore standpoint. Most alien ships are cross-faction, even Xindi and Risian ships.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    royalsovereign wrote: »
    Because it's ugly?
    Hah, have you seen some of the Romulan ships?
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    if all has the plans... what's to stop them from improving on it by adding to it by converting an existing compartment to add an enhanced battle cloak to it? not a damn thing!
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    tigeraries wrote: »
    if all has the plans... what's to stop them from improving on it by adding to it by converting an existing compartment to add an enhanced battle cloak to it? not a damn thing!

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  • drreverenddrreverend Member Posts: 459 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    They've mentioned that there are two other faction ships still waiting to be unveiled but are kind of like the Dauntless in being ships that were featured in cameos or such in Voyager or otherwise in the canon. So there's a KDF and a Romulan ship still waiting to be unveiled. Probably next week.

    As for the Loreness of it... whatever. It's the Starfleet Corps of Engineers. They'd copy an alien designed fake Starfleet ship and build their own for fun during their lunch hour. There's a reason in-setting that while Klingons are known for their warriors and Romulans are known for their spies, the Federation's known for the legendary skill of their engineers.

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  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    But this Dauntless isn't alien. It's a Starfleet ship. Did you read the blog?

    Recreating doesnt mean designing. They just followed a plan which is why people are asking why the KDF and Rommis are also not allowed to have a version. Starfleet never designed it in the first place and its actual appearance was down to the ships ability to disguise itself for the viewers. So why can other factions not have one?
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Make the ship cross faction, then let latinum ship holograms persist in combat. Then sell tier 1-3 ship holograms for lobi.

    Why does that Connie have a cloak and thalaron gun? Because its a scimitar with a hologram, haha. I'd totally drop 200 lobi for that.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    dirlettia wrote: »
    So why can other factions not have one?

    Because while each faction is allowed to have alien vessels, they can't have end-game ships that look a lot like an opposing faction's (except for the Fed-aligned ROM ambassador but that wasn't intentional, just karmatic).

    As stated (and as is obvious) this looks like an advanced federation vessel. Even with different hull materials its still abiding by FED aesthetic conventions in its overall shape and configuration. For that reason the klingons and the romulans won't get it (and hopefully they'll get their own ships to compensate)
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  • morchadesmorchades Member Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    Because while each faction is allowed to have alien vessels, they can't have end-game ships that look a lot like an opposing faction's (except for the Fed-aligned ROM ambassador but that wasn't intentional, just karmatic).

    As stated (and as is obvious) this looks like an advanced federation vessel. Even with different hull materials its still abiding by FED aesthetic conventions in its overall shape and configuration. For that reason the klingons and the romulans won't get it (and hopefully they'll get their own ships to compensate)

    You're right.

    It looks more like a Fed ship than the 3 Intel ships that weren't based off alien blueprints.

    Don't get me wrong, its still kind of weird-looking but it looks like the sort of weird Starfleet Corps of Engineers would make. I can't see a Klingon or a Romulan flying that.
  • thegcbaconthegcbacon Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    As stated (and as is obvious) this looks like an advanced federation vessel. Even with different hull materials its still abiding by FED aesthetic conventions in its overall shape and configuration. For that reason the klingons and the romulans won't get it (and hopefully they'll get their own ships to compensate)

    Dauntless looks less FED-like then the Eclipse ppl QQ about. It's even pointier lol
  • morchadesmorchades Member Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thegcbacon wrote: »
    Dauntless looks less FED-like then the Eclipse ppl QQ about. It's even pointier lol

    Its not the arrowhead, its the angles. Dauntless looks like a rounded Prometheus or Voyager hull with undersized nacelles. The Eclipse is blocky and clunky, like someone took a knife and cut strips off a larger Federation ship and got distracted before he finished whittling.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thegcbacon wrote: »
    Dauntless looks less FED-like then the Eclipse ppl QQ about. It's even pointier lol

    Less FED, but its not approaching KDF or ROM designs. Its just an odder variation along the starfleet theme.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    morchades wrote: »
    Its not the arrowhead, its the angles. Dauntless looks like a rounded Prometheus or Voyager hull with undersized nacelles. The Eclipse is blocky and clunky, like someone took a knife and cut strips off a larger Federation ship and got distracted before he finished whittling.

    What about Cryptic's trident class? (deep space science vessel) Opt out of the underslung nacel and you have the basic configuration (just different shape/proportions).
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  • cptskeeterukcptskeeteruk Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Dunno if its been asked yet but im curious as to why this ships is made for sto or to put it better what is this ship in sto.

    In the show it was a fed lookin ship but ultimatly a alien vessel set up as a trap by Arturis. Near the end the insides turned from fed to alien tech etc.

    So what exactly will the dauntless be in sto, a fed ship with fed interior or a fed lookin ship with alien interior, if the latter will it really be tied to feds only if its not actually a fed ship. My guess was this would have been better for a lockbox ship as that way it could have been multifaction. True having a kdf fly it whilst lookin like a fed ship would be weird but still it is not a fed ship really it just looks like one.

    Hence the confusion as to what this will be like in sto. I would also wonder if slipstream for this ship will mean faster sector space travel even tho we kinda already have slipstream for all ships anyhow, will it differ?
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Interesting to have it in game, but it makes even less sense than the Galaxy X. Personally I'd rather have a canon ship like the New Orleans, Suurok, or Norway, or one of the NPC ships like the Warbarge or Typhoon.

    It still looks more 'Federation' than the Intel Ships IMO. It looks like a Prometheus with more rounded edges.
  • cptskeeterukcptskeeteruk Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah i dunno what cryptic was smoking when they came up with them angular designs, totally ruins fed ships when you add sharp edges. Plus the low poly of em contributed to that as well i think. The dauntless while not the best idea in the world it should make fed players happy theres at least a more traditional fed design and textures coming for them to play with, doubt its t6 like but the way its designed for intel at least imo it should be.
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  • neomodiousneomodious Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Personally, I agree it shouldn't be FED only.

    Secondly, It does resemble a FED ship, but not a normal starship. It looks like some sort of shuttle.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    morchades wrote: »
    Its not the arrowhead, its the angles. Dauntless looks like a rounded Prometheus or Voyager hull with undersized nacelles.
    Until you look at the underside. That is weird...
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Personally I think it looks as much Romulan as it does Fed, like a wingless Dhelan or the 'head' section of a D'deridex.
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