[Seven is complaining to Tuvok about her untidy cabin mate, when Neelix passes by with a "tactical question"] Neelix: We're just about done rebuilding the internal security sensors, and we're ready to program the audio signal. Do you want it to say 'Intruder alert', or should we try something a little more dramatic, like 'Warning, intruder alert', or 'Intruders among us! Danger! Danger! Intruders among us!' Tuvok: 'Intruder alert' will suffice. Neelix: Yeah, go with the classic. Understood, sir.
[walks away] Tuvok: [to Seven] And you believe *you* have difficulties.
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Neelix: I'm not a fighter. I'm just a cook - who sometimes imagines himself a diplomat. Tuvok: On the contrary, Mr. Neelix. You are much more than that. You are perhaps the most resourceful individual I have ever known.
I wasn't a fan of Neelix (please don't use him in too many episodes), but I am really hoping we get an episode where Tuvok interacts with him. I love seeing Vulcans deal with annoying people.
I'm tempted to go roll up a Vulcan and level her up just for that, actually.
yeah the second most worthless and annoying crew member on voyager with Kess being first. They both should have left together at the end of the pilot episode never to be heard from again. Neelix was an annoying goof with delusions of competence and Kess was so sickenly sweet as to be unbelievable as a character.
I blame the writers for both perceptions of Kes and Neelix. Janeway and Chakotay had similar issues themselves...
I wasn't a fan of Neelix (please don't use him in too many episodes), but I am really hoping we get an episode where Tuvok interacts with him. I love seeing Vulcans deal with annoying people..
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Next time you re-watch all 7 season of Voyager (recommended before the 14th) keep this in mind. Neelix was just trying to promote himself and be something that he wasn't in an effort to get recognition and praise and have a purpose. He was a fool that tried to be everything to make himself look important to people that didn't know better. Just remember that when you watch the episodes and scenes with him in them. It'll make it better and more entertaining when you know the truth.
YES!
He was a self-serving, sniveling, slimy, and lie-prone boob. The star trek equivalent of a pie-in-the-face. Why in the world you would want to resurrect this reviled character? I don't understand.
I guess you could get the voice actor on the cheap?
Neelix SUCKS. The fans of show hated him during its run, everybody knows that - the only character hated more in Star Trek, was Wesley Crusher.
He was a self-serving, sniveling, slimy, and lie-prone boob. The star trek equivalent of a pie-in-the-face. Why in the world you would want to resurrect this reviled character? I don't understand.
I guess you could get the voice actor on the cheap?
Neelix SUCKS. The fans of show hated him during its run, everybody knows that - the only character hated more in Star Trek, was Wesley Crusher.
Wesley Crusher is coming in the next expansion pack as Captain Crusher of the USS Enterprise-G. They lost the Enterprise-F somewhere, something about upgrade module being too expensive I believe...
Wesley Crusher is coming in the next expansion pack as Captain Crusher of the USS Enterprise-G. They lost the Enterprise-F somewhere, something about upgrade module being too expensive I believe...
More likely Shon declined the upgrade because it interfered with his death wish.
He was a self-serving, sniveling, slimy, and lie-prone boob. The star trek equivalent of a pie-in-the-face. Why in the world you would want to resurrect this reviled character? I don't understand.
I guess you could get the voice actor on the cheap?
Neelix SUCKS. The fans of show hated him during its run, everybody knows that - the only character hated more in Star Trek, was Wesley Crusher.
Well, to be fair, Ethan Phillips is actually a pretty good actor.
When the writers gave him more than a bad clown to work with, he did pretty darn well. I think it was "Jetrel" where he met the guy who killed his planet and was trying to undo it; in that episode he was actually a watchable, bearable character.
90% of the time, however, he was the most annoying incompetent imaginable.
Neelix became an interesting character when the writers actually started showing some talent and developed him into something other than an annoying rash, but early on I would mute the TV every time he looked like he was going to open his mouth. His character did evolve, he became much more likeable and reliable near the end of Voyagers run and I hope that's where the developers are going to be taking their cues from.
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Well, to be fair, Ethan Phillips is actually a pretty good actor.
When the writers gave him more than a bad clown to work with, he did pretty darn well. I think it was "Jetrel" where he met the guy who killed his planet and was trying to undo it; in that episode he was actually a watchable, bearable character.
90% of the time, however, he was the most annoying incompetent imaginable.
That is the episode, and I agree he did great work in that one. He was believably the same person but behaving very different.
Although Wesley Crusher is a hated character I actually hated Neelix more the only time he became likable was when he left or maybe thats because he was no longer on board lol.
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Phillips really showed someone trying to hold back yet let it lose on that episode, also when Neelix had his lungs stolen he did the same. But Neelix was MEANT to be like he was, a hopeful dreamer and must make others happy kind of guy, I mean look what happened to his planet and sister.
Even if he did come off annoying.
Like I said, when Ethan Phillips got an actual quality script, he was an interesting if visually jarring character.
But he was on Voyager, where quality scripts were few, far-between, and mostly reserved for Janeway and Seven Of Sex Appeal. Which is a damn shame, because "Jetrel" really showed that if they'd done Neelix differently from the start, and maybe made him less eye-burning to look at, he would've been a pretty cool character.
We can't hide the character behind bad scripts. His STO character will be the same as the Voyager character. Continuity and whatnot. He sucked then, and he's going to suck now.
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Phillips really showed someone trying to hold back yet let it lose on that episode, also when Neelix had his lungs stolen he did the same. But Neelix was MEANT to be like he was, a hopeful dreamer and must make others happy kind of guy, I mean look what happened to his planet and sister.
Even if he did come off annoying.
The stolen lungs episode creeped me out a bit. That one was good. Scary bad guys with horror movie looks and technology, combined with a future version of an iron lung hell... I probably shouldn't have watched it for the first time at 1:30 in the middle of the night. It wasn't meant to be scary, but my dads a doctor and my mom a hospice nurse, I've seen and heard of too many gross medical disasters. It hit close to home.
I think the whole point to the character of Neelix is that here's a relatively normal guy (for an alien) who's not the heroic type, who gets thrown into this situation that even the highly trained Starfleet types are having trouble adapting to. He's got a young woman that he feels responsible for, he's trying to protect her and Voyager is his best chance to do that.
Yes, he wanted Janeway to find him indispensable. But he wasn't completely self-serving, either, and he clearly wanted to make himself useful.
That's the serious side of the character. The joke, of course, is that Neelix was rarely all that useful. But again, he's not Starfleet or Maquis. Not remotely military. Next to many of these people, he's below average. And his insecurity shows.
I haven't watched the entire series (yet), but based on what I have seen it's clear that Neelix is doing his best to be something more than a liability to the crew. The blog seems to highlight the fact that Neelix was able to use his experiences aboard the Voyager to be very useful to the Talaxian colony.
The real shame of the character is that he seems to have been created to be comedy relief... but the Doctor turned out to be funnier. I'm not saying that Neelix is a great character. The writers rarely tried to go any deeper than a superficial caricature of an alien.
But then there's Tuvix.
The first time I heard about that episode, I thought it was the dumbest thing I ever heard. I still think it was a dumb premise, that a flower could cause a transporter accident that mixes the DNA of two different alien species and preserves their memories in one being.
But I eventually watched it. And you know, the character worked. He was the character that Neelix should have been, but I don't think Ethan Phillips could have played him like that. I was almost sorry to see him go, but even if Neelix would have been no great loss we had to have Tuvok back.
Now, though? They had a chance to write Neelix as that normal guy in an extraordinary situation... that likeable character with a deep personality whom perhaps Neelix should have been all along. Not just a bad joke that never came off the way it was intended to.
I hope that's the Neelix that Delta Rising re-introduces us to.
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Neelix has a chance for redemption here. His character was pretty flat in the show. A filler basically when things needed to get done. The blog itself explained that when they listed his qualifications. He did it all.
I hope that they really play his character right. Make him as interesting as some of the others.
Good luck Cryptic. Voyager was an awesome series, but you have tough work ahead of you. I hope you do it well.
But instead I'll say this gives me hope that Cryptic will eventually hire Wil Wheaton to reprise his role as (Captain?) Wesley Crusher.
From what I've read here, Wheaton has refused to reprise that role. He'll come back as another character, practically any other character, but he won't reprise his role as Wesley.
Also, as much as I know the Beltran has some antimostiy towards his character and the show, they should have a super old version of him high on peyote in the badlands or something.
having played tribble so far, i think people will be interested in neelix story from what ive seen. so only a few weeks left now and everyone will find out.
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Also, as much as I know the Beltran has some antimostiy towards his character and the show, they should have a super old version of him high on peyote in the badlands or something.
As a person who also hates Beltran I would like to destroy any ship he is in.
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I wasn't a fan of Neelix (please don't use him in too many episodes), but I am really hoping we get an episode where Tuvok interacts with him. I love seeing Vulcans deal with annoying people.
I'm tempted to go roll up a Vulcan and level her up just for that, actually.
Absolutely not. Tovan is your penance for having the best costume and hair options in the game, and should not be inflicted on the rest of us.
I blame the writers for both perceptions of Kes and Neelix. Janeway and Chakotay had similar issues themselves...
Ethan and Tim were magic on the screen. It would be criminal not to give them scenes together in delta rising.
YES!
He was a self-serving, sniveling, slimy, and lie-prone boob. The star trek equivalent of a pie-in-the-face. Why in the world you would want to resurrect this reviled character? I don't understand.
I guess you could get the voice actor on the cheap?
Neelix SUCKS. The fans of show hated him during its run, everybody knows that - the only character hated more in Star Trek, was Wesley Crusher.
Wesley Crusher is coming in the next expansion pack as Captain Crusher of the USS Enterprise-G. They lost the Enterprise-F somewhere, something about upgrade module being too expensive I believe...
More likely Shon declined the upgrade because it interfered with his death wish.
Well, to be fair, Ethan Phillips is actually a pretty good actor.
When the writers gave him more than a bad clown to work with, he did pretty darn well. I think it was "Jetrel" where he met the guy who killed his planet and was trying to undo it; in that episode he was actually a watchable, bearable character.
90% of the time, however, he was the most annoying incompetent imaginable.
That is the episode, and I agree he did great work in that one. He was believably the same person but behaving very different.
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Like I said, when Ethan Phillips got an actual quality script, he was an interesting if visually jarring character.
But he was on Voyager, where quality scripts were few, far-between, and mostly reserved for Janeway and Seven Of Sex Appeal. Which is a damn shame, because "Jetrel" really showed that if they'd done Neelix differently from the start, and maybe made him less eye-burning to look at, he would've been a pretty cool character.
Maybe she'll be in some of the later missions. It would be fun, and I do they they plan to release a lot of story over time.
The stolen lungs episode creeped me out a bit. That one was good. Scary bad guys with horror movie looks and technology, combined with a future version of an iron lung hell... I probably shouldn't have watched it for the first time at 1:30 in the middle of the night. It wasn't meant to be scary, but my dads a doctor and my mom a hospice nurse, I've seen and heard of too many gross medical disasters. It hit close to home.
Yes, he wanted Janeway to find him indispensable. But he wasn't completely self-serving, either, and he clearly wanted to make himself useful.
That's the serious side of the character. The joke, of course, is that Neelix was rarely all that useful. But again, he's not Starfleet or Maquis. Not remotely military. Next to many of these people, he's below average. And his insecurity shows.
I haven't watched the entire series (yet), but based on what I have seen it's clear that Neelix is doing his best to be something more than a liability to the crew. The blog seems to highlight the fact that Neelix was able to use his experiences aboard the Voyager to be very useful to the Talaxian colony.
The real shame of the character is that he seems to have been created to be comedy relief... but the Doctor turned out to be funnier. I'm not saying that Neelix is a great character. The writers rarely tried to go any deeper than a superficial caricature of an alien.
But then there's Tuvix.
The first time I heard about that episode, I thought it was the dumbest thing I ever heard. I still think it was a dumb premise, that a flower could cause a transporter accident that mixes the DNA of two different alien species and preserves their memories in one being.
But I eventually watched it. And you know, the character worked. He was the character that Neelix should have been, but I don't think Ethan Phillips could have played him like that. I was almost sorry to see him go, but even if Neelix would have been no great loss we had to have Tuvok back.
Now, though? They had a chance to write Neelix as that normal guy in an extraordinary situation... that likeable character with a deep personality whom perhaps Neelix should have been all along. Not just a bad joke that never came off the way it was intended to.
I hope that's the Neelix that Delta Rising re-introduces us to.
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But instead I'll say this gives me hope that Cryptic will eventually hire Wil Wheaton to reprise his role as (Captain?) Wesley Crusher.
Or even better, Max Grod
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I hope that they really play his character right. Make him as interesting as some of the others.
Good luck Cryptic. Voyager was an awesome series, but you have tough work ahead of you. I hope you do it well.
As good an actor as Ethan Phillips is, Neelix was always my least favourite Voyager character. He's the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek.
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From what I've read here, Wheaton has refused to reprise that role. He'll come back as another character, practically any other character, but he won't reprise his role as Wesley.
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/Respect to Ethan Phillips, though.
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As a person who also hates Beltran I would like to destroy any ship he is in.
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