"highest queues require an upgraded ship"

vestereng

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/09/15/captains-log-supplemental-a-look-at-star-trek-onlines-histor/

(thanks to the guy who posted that link)


So in essence we blocked from playing all content in our original ships.

Anyone wanted a clear definition of "obsolete", there it is.

Your ship is too obsolete to even queue up, golf clap everyone.

anazonda

Seems a little vague...

Could just mean T6 level (level 60)

virusdancer

"Second, all existing content, all new story content, patrols and most queues will not require a Tier 6 or Upgraded Tier 5 starship."

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002133-tier-5-starship-upgrades

They told us that back on August 27th...

...which many folks took to mean the new 60 Elites, with the revamped difficulty of Normal, Advanced, and Elite.

foxalpha5

Well, sounds to me like you are just blocked from more of the same rewards as the easier difficulty mission. Really the only think you would be blocked out of is Hard Mode for missions everyone can have. Not really locked out of content if you ask me.

dirlettia

Essentially, the difficulties of PvE queues will be adjusted, and the challenges that are currently at Elite difficult will be rebranded as a midway point between the Level 60 Tier 5u/Tier 6 queues, with a separate Elite queue for the very top. Rivera explained that players will still be able to get marks and other rewards that they currently receive in the level 50 queues; the highest queues that require an upgraded ship just offer more rewards.

Looks like an upgraded ship will still be usable so not obsolete at all.

cbrjwrr

Relax, level 60 stuff will only make T5s obsolete if you build a ship like the various mission ships - Temporal Ambassador's Ent-C, Sphere of Influence's Obelisk, Step between the Stars Dyson Destroyer and so on.

A T5 actually built properly will still be just as capable as normal for level 60 stuff. It might not be faceroll spacebar spam anymore, but who actually likes that anyway.


T6 only obsoletes freebie T5s in PvP, and well, they were already obsolete there.

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thecosmic1

There are many of us who have already done the Elite Content on Tribble in our existing T5 ships. I have no doubt that some players will need T5U or T6 ships to do the Content on Elite. But these are generally going to be the same people who cannot do existing ESTFs without a powerful team either.

There is a huge disparity between player ship layout and skill in this game. We have people doing 2,000 DPS fighting along side people doing 10,000 DPS in the exact same ship. We have teams failing ESTFs while others solo them. It is difficult to make comparisons when you have that much disparity between those who know how to play and those who do not.

vestereng

The premise was "keep your ship if you want, you can still play all maps"


The reality of that is, pay $$$ per ship if you want to play the new maps else you are blocked from playing.

If that isn't the exact distinction of being obsolete I don't know wtf is

anazonda

vestereng wrote: »

The premise was "keep your ship if you want, you can still play all maps"


The reality of that is, pay $$$ per ship if you want to play the new maps else you are blocked from playing.

If that isn't the exact distinction of being obsolete I don't know wtf is

Remember: Current queues are also referred to as T5 queues... Yet we still see nut-jobs in connies and Mirandas in the missions.

Cryptic seems to refer based on ship-tier-expectation rather than ship-tier-requirement.

vestereng

I weren't exaggerating using powerful speech sherif

http://i.imgur.com/9otfxnt.jpg

There will be a "rebranding" of elite in where "the highest queues require an upgraded ship".


Making t5 not just obsolete but blocked from playing the expansion. I don't know if that qualifies as p2w but this is a new pay wall and at the very least false when they said we could continue using our original ships.

anazonda

vestereng wrote: »

I weren't exaggerating using powerful speech sherif



There will be a "rebranding" of elite in where "the highest queues require an upgraded ship".


Making t5 not just obsolete but blocked from playing the expansion. I don't know if that qualifies as p2w but this is a new pay wall and at the very least false when they said we could continue using our original ships.

Geko is known for trolling the players... Take his word with that in account...

shadowwraith77

vestereng wrote: »

The premise was "keep your ship if you want, you can still play all maps"


The reality of that is, pay $$$ per ship if you want to play the new maps else you are blocked from playing.

If that isn't the exact distinction of being obsolete I don't know wtf is

I can believe that!

There should never be a restriction to content in general, only difficulty!

In other words normal & hard should be available to all player's/ship tiers, while elite should be....well for elite player's/ship tiers.

And by elite player's, I am not referring to elitism, but good-experienced-very good player's, and ship tiers refer to tier 5u-tier 6.

But this is only my opinion.

hypl

So now as I understand it, there will be three modes of difficulty. Normal, Advanced, and Elite. Normal remains unchanged and players will be scaled down to 50. Advanced will be what elite mode currently is now, scaling players to 60 and can still be done with current ships. The new Elite mode will be level 60 only and require a T5-U or Tier 6 vessel. However, according to the article, the new Elite mode only offers more rewards, so you don't really miss out on anything. You'll probably just get more marks and reputation items.

cbrjwrr

valoreah wrote: »

I hope this means they can start blocking NX class and Mirandas from public queues like ISE and such too.

Why? Well over 80% of players of ISE do less damage than what a T1 ship can comfortably put out.

captainrevo1

A couple things to remember.

One, these are not direct quotes. The interviewer is explaining what he was told. He may have made a mistake or misunderstood.

Two, people don't always say things clearly. Geko may have simply meant it's going to be important but not a restriction to use higher ships. Is required in the sense it would be suicide to attempt it without. Given time I suspect people will be skilled enough to attempt in lower tier ships.

Id wait for more blogs.

meimeitoo

vestereng wrote: »

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/09/15/captains-log-supplemental-a-look-at-star-trek-onlines-histor/

(thanks to the guy who posted that link)

So in essence we blocked from playing all content in our original ships.

Anyone wanted a clear definition of "obsolete", there it is.

Your ship is too obsolete to even queue up, golf clap everyone.

Way I read it, T5U will still be allowed entry into the higest queues. Yet, obviously, that makes all other T5 ships literally no longer competitive (as they are barred from competing even).

havokreign

You cannot play any STFs until you reach level 44/45 as it is now. "Elite" content does not appear until level 50. The reputation menus don't appear until level 50.

The new content will expect a player to be at or around level 60, and have gained/spent skill points in their new ship traits/sub professions.

Sounds like a lot of the same stuff to me.

jonsills

I don't understand this obsession with using older ships in the highest stuff anyway. When I hit lvl 10, I docked my Miranda, and haven't visited it since. Similarly with my Connie refit at 20, and so forth. If I have a T5U ship, why in the name of sanity would I want to try to run Elite queues with my older T5 freebie? And if (as seems likely at this point) all I have is my T5 freebie, why should I expect to keep up with all these folks flying around in their geared-out T6 ships?

Seriously, can someone explain this version of "obsolescence" to me? You're going into a new tier of character levels - why should you expect levels 51-60 to be adequately served by the same ship you picked up when you were level 40?

mirrorchaos

vestereng wrote: »

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/09/15/captains-log-supplemental-a-look-at-star-trek-onlines-histor/

(thanks to the guy who posted that link)


So in essence we blocked from playing all content in our original ships.

Anyone wanted a clear definition of "obsolete", there it is.

Your ship is too obsolete to even queue up, golf clap everyone.

i already knew this which is why im using my stipend to get the t5.5 excel to t5u as soon as possible. fyi, known of this for a month now.

wilbor2

Lvl 50 stf dont require u to have a lvl 50 ship or a full 5man team e,g ive done cse with me n one fleet mate with 3 mins left on the optional clock. Ive all so done cse 2 years ago in a 5 man team in T2 ships think we had 1 min left on the optional.

darkjeff

The language in no way indicates you are blocked from the queues.

If I say that running a marathon requires you to be in good physical shape, there is nothing preventing you from joining a marathon even if you're an out of shape neckbeard. (You're just going to have a hell of a "fun" time. :P)

bobbydazlers

there isn't many if any at all that haven't got a T5 they can upgrade for free to T5u.
what bugs me though is that they chose to single out some ships for zen cost upgrades, so if there are any that don't have ships that can get the free upgrade I feel sorry for those or anyone else who have any of these paid only upgrades they would like to use.

lianthelia

lol...

So you can't do elite content without upgrading...big deal?

As others have pointed this out this has been known for a while now...is it really so hard to get out there and grind a little zen for your free ship and upgrade?

I mean the only reason someone must be complaining about this is because they're flying a free lvl 40 T5 ship and have never spent a single dilithium on zen and never bought a zen or boxed ship.

vestereng

I'd agree if this was an abstract philo debate we could argue the difference between sufficient and necessary.

But the terminology "requirement" in this here case is entirely concrete and specified.


And to you people saying "oh well I am going to buy t6 ships anyway so I don't care", this isn't about your personal life choices, if you are safe personally.

So they didn't lie about something you care about this time try to see the bigger picture of overall, general cultivation, how much TRIBBLE will players put up with and stilll pay us?


This is about accepting abuse and-or the direction of the game. If they say people can keep playing ALL CONTENT in the t5 ships

Then people have to be given permission to play ALL CONTENT period

And yes ships not being obsolete was a blatant lie

thecosmic1

Fortunately for everyone, they do not need to play Elite Content if they do not wish to. As was stated in the Podcast, Elite simply pays out bigger rewards over Advanced or Normal Content.

thecosmic1

From what it seems to me, this Massively article comes from someone who simply listened to the recent Podcasts and is paraphrasing the responses Geko gave there.

dpsloss88

I am impressed that anyone in this game could use logic as well as the OP. If the premise is true that you can't que, then the dev was absolutely lying that the ships are not obsolete.

cmdrscarlet

Well, it could be read literally: if I want more rewards then I need an upgraded ship. So, I can still play with a T5 ship, but I just won't get as much loot.

Also, T6 isn't an upgrade, it's a new ship. So, by RAW, I wouldn't get more rewards in a T6 ship because it's not an upgrade. Therefore, T6 users in new tiered STFs get the shaft on loot compared to T5U players. I can dig that

anazonda

cmdrscarlet wrote: »

Well, it could be read literally: if I want more rewards then I need an upgraded ship. So, I can still play Elite with a T5 ship, but I just won't get as much loot.

I don't think cryptic is psychotic enough to go down that road...

Then again... I said the same about T6 ships...

cmdrscarlet

Of course not - but that is what was written in the piece linked by the OP, which started this thread. It's not official wording, but it's being treated as such.