It's pretty obvious that you're attempting to be an apologist for Cryptic, and you completely overlooked what I had just written previously.
As I said, imagine burning through mountains of Dil during the Crafting Weekend and now you just found out that they're revamping crafting and putting everyone back to Zero. Talk about a punch in the junk to everyone who got suckered.
I have yet to see a Crafting system in ANY MMO that isn't designed on purpose to be a huge resource and time sink with very little payout in the end to justify it. The idea of selling boxes of mats through the C Store makes it even more obvious as to why Cryptic implemented such a thing.
And your accusation that I don't want to spend months doing the same mindless thing over and over is me wanting "instant gratification" is insulting. Imagine a looooooooong hallway that you have to walk down in order to reach a door at the far end, and when you get there and open that door, what you find is yet another long hallway with another door in the distance. Well guess what? We're sick of walking down hallways one after another! We want to start playing the game instead of working on it.
We aren't asking to be in the meeting room during development, but we DO want to have the freakin' foggiest of a clue as to WTF they have planned so we can at least spend these few remaining weeks preparing for it. Is that really too much to ask??
I think the confusion is that you are talking about the Current Crafting System as compared to the OLD System.
Not the Current System being REDONE again.
Delta Rising is slightly upgrading the NEW system, WITHOUT setting us all back to zero.
(at least as far as I know at this point)
:cool:
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there's white R&D doffs also. you just lose some of the bonus to crit
No, actually...,
If one wants to make (for example) the AEGIS set, one has to have an Impossibly Rare-to-Acquire Purple DOff.
There's no Common Doff that will help you with this task.
:mad:
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The odds of getting the Purple R&D materials is ridiculously low.
I've also done at least 9 of the R&D Assignments over the last three weeks and again, the best I've received is Blue Quality only.
Tying up a DOff slot for 48 hours, at the least, should get a player ONE Purple crafting item.
The same with Elite STF's, every crate should give at the very least, ONE Purple item.
The way it is now..., there is really no incentive for a slightly-more-than-casual player, to even try anymore.
Then your problem is simple bad luck, combined with laziness... I've received a reasonable number of purple materials from reward boxes, and let's face it, 9 R&D boxes in 3 weeks is nothing...
As far as the Request R&D Assistance assignment, a single Doff slot is also nothing considering the rewards... Not only have I received many purple R&D materials, I've also regularly received purple components...
The problem here is not that Cryptic is being somehow 'unfair' in their approach to R&D, the problem is that you are frankly being too lazy - or perhaps too 'slightly-more-than-casual' - to actually make the effort to make something of R&D and simply want it handed to you on a silver platter...
And what pray tell is "RNG"? And you never said where or how you get these assignments for purple crafting doffs.
RNG - Random Number Generator/Generation...
Speak to the Recruitment Officer in the respective Academy for each faction, or the Recruitment Assignment computer near the Romulan Boff trainer...
Also (as I updated my other post after your quoted me) the Gumarre Doff you receive is blue quality, not purple, but has all the same traits etc as the purple that was received for having capped the old R&D system...
considing the game is still here I'm going to say best most people don't care or actually like what their doing.
like doffing the complain were you can't sort and it's ugly... ugly is subjective so of limited use a not a week later the added sorting back and had originally done some under the hood changes so it now goes for crits. so the system it's self is actually better off.
and those are the only two good complains I've heard in two years. not counting make more of x ones.
It does not go for crits on Support missions. I have to replace almost every choice, almost every time. It is not better off at all.
Just because I play a game doesn't mean I know every bizarro acronym and leetspeak word out there.
wow, what a jerk. it's not our fault you don't know a common mmo term, or didn't want to spend 30 seconds looking it up on google. so go right ahead and pretend you have a life and you're better then the rest of us. the fact that you're here proves your not.
The odds of getting the Purple R&D materials is ridiculously low.
I've also done at least 9 of the R&D Assignments over the last three weeks and again, the best I've received is Blue Quality only.
Tying up a DOff slot for 48 hours, at the least, should get a player ONE Purple crafting item.
The same with Elite STF's, every crate should give at the very least, ONE Purple item.
The way it is now..., there is really no incentive for a slightly-more-than-casual player, to even try anymore.
Yah i think i would have preferred that the new crafting system wasnt RNG layered on top of RNG. Materials that have a chance to drop from an instance. And once i have them then i have a chance on the quality of the crafted item. At least they have the catalyst system and the doff quality which can control the RNG for crafting. I've actually been doing clusters like crazy just getting VR doffs. I dont plan on making anything special like Aegis or the TR116b or whatever. But i'm still worried that VR doffs and the +10 catalysts wont be enough, even once i've maxed my crafting. If once i get my crafting to level cap, and i go to make an XII or XIV that i want and after using a VR doff and catalysts i end up with an uncommon quality item...i may just not mess with the crafting at all.
I've been playing WS on the side and they actually have a pretty cool crafting system. They have two systems and one is the more traditional add mats get gear but the other one is based on RNG. You use additives to move a cursor from a center starting point on a grid. And you have 3 attempts to move that cursor onto the item which is located on another part of the grid. But the tricky thing is that when you use an additive it wont always land on the same spot. An additive might move the cursor 5 spaces to the left and 3 spaces up on the grid. But the landing point has an RNG spread. That additive on one attempt might move the cursor 5left 3up and then another 2left and 1up (the RNG spread). On the next attempt using the same exact additive could move you 5left 3up and the RNG spread moves it 1right and 2down. Next attempt could be same additive 5left 3up but now the RNG spread moves it another 3right and 2up.
There are actually some patterns that can only be reached by using 3 specific sets of additives and nothing else would work. But because of the RNG spread you could end up trying to make the same thing 20 times and failing. And it's not a matter of saying ohh i used additive A+B+C, but i need to use additive A+B+D because D is the one that will move me in the right direction. No...sometimes you have no choice but to use A+B+C and pray that the RNG spread lands you on the target.
That's the best way i can describe it to someone who hasnt played Wildstar. You can be a master at it, but that wont matter cause you still have to rely on RNG. People have actually been frustrated by it so much that they just went ehh whatever i dont want to craft. I was actually really excited about the housing system in WS and i started getting into the Architect crafting which has that random grid system i mentioned above. But when despite my best efforts the RNG just doesnt go the way i need it to go, i just end up getting frustrated and i actually stopped crafting with Arch and i even lost interest in the housing system cause i couldnt craft my own furniture.
That kind of frustration is what i'm afraid will happen to me once i level up my crafting, i get the mats and i go to make my first item. Yay level 15 crafting school finally! and i go to craft an item, use my catalyst, slot my VR doff and a day later out comes...an uncommon weapon.
Money grabs does not require something that people like it does not require logic nor common sense all it needs if for the good little sheeple to fall in line and buy.
Sadly to say thats the case with STO theydropped the revamped crafting system that is junk and yet the sheeple buy keys etc etc.
And from what im reading or lack thereof cryptic does not care what the common player thinks or wants they will continue the money grabs till the day the game ends.
So you either buy or you fall behind further and further it makes one wander why bother going F2P in the first place.
That kind of frustration is what i'm afraid will happen to me once i level up my crafting, i get the mats and i go to make my first item. Yay level 15 crafting school finally! and i go to craft an item, use my catalyst, slot my VR doff and a day later out comes...an uncommon weapon.
If your skill is high enough and combined with good quality Doffs, you can virtually guarantee a purple quality item or better...
If you're going to receive anything less (than blue quality at the very minimum), your might be aiming a little too high still...
Money grabs does not require something that people like it does not require logic nor common sense all it needs if for the good little sheeple to fall in line and buy.
Sadly to say thats the case with STO theydropped the revamped crafting system that is junk and yet the sheeple buy keys etc etc.
And from what im reading or lack thereof cryptic does not care what the common player thinks or wants they will continue the money grabs till the day the game ends.
So you either buy or you fall behind further and further it makes one wander why bother going F2P in the first place.
You do realise the 'common players' are rarely heard on the forums?
Secondly, Cryptic are not a charity... They're in this to make money like any other business... Just because you're upset that other people are willing to spend money for added convenience, or (as in my case) are happy to pay for services because of the time and effort that Cryptic put into a game they enjoy, that's not anyone's issue but your own...
Additionally, if you don't understand why STO went F2P, go do some research on the pros and cons of the F2P model and why so many MMO's end up F2P...
Even Star Wars : The Old Republic - the biggest budget MMO to date - went F2P and it's subscription levels, and inevitably profits, sky rocketed...
Says you! Every MMO demands that you be at maximum capacity or you'll find the game to be frustrating.
No, the elitists in every MMO demand this... You don't have to be the best to fully enjoy an MMO... However a certain level of ability is definitely somewhat advantageous...
I'm sitting with three at level 10 at the moment and not one bit of dilithium has been spent. There is always an alternative if you are willing to take it, some people are impatient though.
i occasionally throw a bit at it to keep up or try to make up a day when i can to stick to schedule, i mean i missed last monday due to a network fault, was locked out of the net all day, but thats about it. i dont throw any at it in impatience, usually when i wake up each morning atound 6:30am to 7am, its ready to be completed, so its not an issue waiting around.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
i occasionally throw a bit at it to keep up or try to make up a day when i can to stick to schedule, i mean i missed last monday due to a network fault, was locked out of the net all day, but thats about it. i dont throw any at it in impatience, usually when i wake up each morning atound 6:30am to 7am, its ready to be completed, so its not an issue waiting around.
Pretty much this, and I have thousands of the common mats for doing the 6000+xp crafting project, and hundreds of the rare mats from estf runs. Which I am getting plenty of right now especially as I'm leveling my Fed Tac through the reps, and just account banking the boxes over to my Fed Eng who I am leveling in crafting. I can run 4 6000+ crafting exp projects at a time, just lacking the 5 slot that doesn't open till I get one school to 15.
Then your problem is simple bad luck, combined with laziness... I've received a reasonable number of purple materials from reward boxes, and let's face it, 9 R&D boxes in 3 weeks is nothing...
As far as the Request R&D Assistance assignment, a single Doff slot is also nothing considering the rewards... Not only have I received many purple R&D materials, I've also regularly received purple components...
The problem here is not that Cryptic is being somehow 'unfair' in their approach to R&D, the problem is that you are frankly being too lazy - or perhaps too 'slightly-more-than-casual' - to actually make the effort to make something of R&D and simply want it handed to you on a silver platter...
I received 'Gumarre' a few weeks ago - he's also a blue, not purple... It's all to do with RNG, it doesn't mean anything is broken...
Ya know, if I were not a nice person, I'd seriously tell you were to stick your "laziness" krap.
Whoop-dee-do, you've got the Luck Of Job and love coming to the forums and rubbing it in, to show how stupendous your prodigious play-style is.
What part of "Slightly-More-Than-A-Casual-Player" don't you understand. You even quoted me on it. (I'm not even going to get into the fact that I've been playing this game since day one)
I NEVER used the words 'Broken' or 'Unfair'... I simply expressed that IMO, the reward system for Purple Crafting materials is ridiculously low and not worth the bother...
At least to those of us who don't spend an inordinate amount of our daily lives, devoted to a pixilated form of entertainment.
BTW: You really need to learn to express yourself with a lot less animosity toward folks who apparently don't live up to your inane qualifications.
It evokes the pretentiousness of a twelve year olds mentality.
:rolleyes:
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Ya know, if I were not a nice person, I'd seriously tell you were to stick your "laziness" krap.
Whoop-dee-do, you've got the Luck Of Job and love coming to the forums and rubbing it in, to show how stupendous your prodigious play-style is.
What part of "Slightly-More-Than-A-Casual-Player" don't you understand. You even quoted me on it. (I'm not even going to get into the fact that I've been playing this game since day one)
I NEVER used the words 'Broken' or 'Unfair'... I simply expressed that IMO, the reward system for Purple Crafting materials is ridiculously low and not worth the bother...
At least to those of us who don't spend an inordinate amount of our daily lives, devoted to a pixilated form of entertainment.
BTW: You really need to learn to express yourself with a lot less animosity toward folks who apparently don't live up to your inane qualifications.
It evokes the pretentiousness of a twelve year olds mentality.
:rolleyes:
As a counterpoint, your statement is much like asking for "casual" players to be allowed to complete the CE event rep project with only 4 shards.....
And no I don't see imruined's statement as being mean. Your animosity towards the system is based on your perception of your personal experiences, and my experiences tell me that yours are atypical. I've made millions selling purple mats, they're not as hard to come by as you claim.
If that is true, Cryptic has really come full circle in terms of how they felt about random drops.
It should never be random, and the player should know how much he/she needs to play a certain STF in order to earn whatever is needed to craft said gear. It honestly is better for both sides.
if you have to run ESTFs to get the mats for crafting I may as well stop the grind. I don't do STFs normal or elite. I queued for one and three people bailled in the first 30 seconds. that resulted in the leaving penalty, since there was no way I was going to attempt it with one person, one in a cruiser and one in a sci.
Having all the answers doesn't make you truly happy. You've got to brace yourself that the solution will only bring you disappointment. Kinda like the finale on Lost.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
if you have to run ESTFs to get the mats for crafting I may as well stop the grind. I don't do STFs normal or elite. I queued for one and three people bailled in the first 30 seconds. that resulted in the leaving penalty, since there was no way I was going to attempt it with one person, one in a cruiser and one in a sci.
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I think the confusion is that you are talking about the Current Crafting System as compared to the OLD System.
Not the Current System being REDONE again.
Delta Rising is slightly upgrading the NEW system, WITHOUT setting us all back to zero.
(at least as far as I know at this point)
:cool:
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Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
No, actually...,
If one wants to make (for example) the AEGIS set, one has to have an Impossibly Rare-to-Acquire Purple DOff.
There's no Common Doff that will help you with this task.
:mad:
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Or have a character or two that maxed out the old crafting system.
My character Tsin'xing
How? I have yet to even get or find a DOFF assignment for anything but a friggin' Geologist.
Then your problem is simple bad luck, combined with laziness... I've received a reasonable number of purple materials from reward boxes, and let's face it, 9 R&D boxes in 3 weeks is nothing...
As far as the Request R&D Assistance assignment, a single Doff slot is also nothing considering the rewards... Not only have I received many purple R&D materials, I've also regularly received purple components...
The problem here is not that Cryptic is being somehow 'unfair' in their approach to R&D, the problem is that you are frankly being too lazy - or perhaps too 'slightly-more-than-casual' - to actually make the effort to make something of R&D and simply want it handed to you on a silver platter...
I received 'Gumarre' a few weeks ago - he's also a blue, not purple... It's all to do with RNG, it doesn't mean anything is broken...
I had to look up what "RNG" meant because I have a life.
And, you never said where or how you get these assignments for purple crafting doffs.
RNG - Random Number Generator/Generation...
Speak to the Recruitment Officer in the respective Academy for each faction, or the Recruitment Assignment computer near the Romulan Boff trainer...
Also (as I updated my other post after your quoted me) the Gumarre Doff you receive is blue quality, not purple, but has all the same traits etc as the purple that was received for having capped the old R&D system...
It does not go for crits on Support missions. I have to replace almost every choice, almost every time. It is not better off at all.
I beg your pardon? You have a life? Right...
That's why your on here whinging about your own ignorance, and total lack of patience, and blaming Cryptic for it...
The new crafting was/is a buged money grab that i refuse to fall for. As for doffing the old one was easier to find the doff u wont to use.
Just because I play a game doesn't mean I know every bizarro acronym and leetspeak word out there.
And because I happen to know a few of the more common acronyms means I have no life?
The implication, given it's coming from someone on a Star Trek forum, is rather hypcritical...
Yah i think i would have preferred that the new crafting system wasnt RNG layered on top of RNG. Materials that have a chance to drop from an instance. And once i have them then i have a chance on the quality of the crafted item. At least they have the catalyst system and the doff quality which can control the RNG for crafting. I've actually been doing clusters like crazy just getting VR doffs. I dont plan on making anything special like Aegis or the TR116b or whatever. But i'm still worried that VR doffs and the +10 catalysts wont be enough, even once i've maxed my crafting. If once i get my crafting to level cap, and i go to make an XII or XIV that i want and after using a VR doff and catalysts i end up with an uncommon quality item...i may just not mess with the crafting at all.
I've been playing WS on the side and they actually have a pretty cool crafting system. They have two systems and one is the more traditional add mats get gear but the other one is based on RNG. You use additives to move a cursor from a center starting point on a grid. And you have 3 attempts to move that cursor onto the item which is located on another part of the grid. But the tricky thing is that when you use an additive it wont always land on the same spot. An additive might move the cursor 5 spaces to the left and 3 spaces up on the grid. But the landing point has an RNG spread. That additive on one attempt might move the cursor 5left 3up and then another 2left and 1up (the RNG spread). On the next attempt using the same exact additive could move you 5left 3up and the RNG spread moves it 1right and 2down. Next attempt could be same additive 5left 3up but now the RNG spread moves it another 3right and 2up.
There are actually some patterns that can only be reached by using 3 specific sets of additives and nothing else would work. But because of the RNG spread you could end up trying to make the same thing 20 times and failing. And it's not a matter of saying ohh i used additive A+B+C, but i need to use additive A+B+D because D is the one that will move me in the right direction. No...sometimes you have no choice but to use A+B+C and pray that the RNG spread lands you on the target.
That's the best way i can describe it to someone who hasnt played Wildstar. You can be a master at it, but that wont matter cause you still have to rely on RNG. People have actually been frustrated by it so much that they just went ehh whatever i dont want to craft. I was actually really excited about the housing system in WS and i started getting into the Architect crafting which has that random grid system i mentioned above. But when despite my best efforts the RNG just doesnt go the way i need it to go, i just end up getting frustrated and i actually stopped crafting with Arch and i even lost interest in the housing system cause i couldnt craft my own furniture.
That kind of frustration is what i'm afraid will happen to me once i level up my crafting, i get the mats and i go to make my first item. Yay level 15 crafting school finally! and i go to craft an item, use my catalyst, slot my VR doff and a day later out comes...an uncommon weapon.
Sadly to say thats the case with STO theydropped the revamped crafting system that is junk and yet the sheeple buy keys etc etc.
And from what im reading or lack thereof cryptic does not care what the common player thinks or wants they will continue the money grabs till the day the game ends.
So you either buy or you fall behind further and further it makes one wander why bother going F2P in the first place.
If your skill is high enough and combined with good quality Doffs, you can virtually guarantee a purple quality item or better...
If you're going to receive anything less (than blue quality at the very minimum), your might be aiming a little too high still...
Says you! Every MMO demands that you be at maximum capacity or you'll find the game to be frustrating.
You do realise the 'common players' are rarely heard on the forums?
Secondly, Cryptic are not a charity... They're in this to make money like any other business... Just because you're upset that other people are willing to spend money for added convenience, or (as in my case) are happy to pay for services because of the time and effort that Cryptic put into a game they enjoy, that's not anyone's issue but your own...
Additionally, if you don't understand why STO went F2P, go do some research on the pros and cons of the F2P model and why so many MMO's end up F2P...
Even Star Wars : The Old Republic - the biggest budget MMO to date - went F2P and it's subscription levels, and inevitably profits, sky rocketed...
No, the elitists in every MMO demand this... You don't have to be the best to fully enjoy an MMO... However a certain level of ability is definitely somewhat advantageous...
i occasionally throw a bit at it to keep up or try to make up a day when i can to stick to schedule, i mean i missed last monday due to a network fault, was locked out of the net all day, but thats about it. i dont throw any at it in impatience, usually when i wake up each morning atound 6:30am to 7am, its ready to be completed, so its not an issue waiting around.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Pretty much this, and I have thousands of the common mats for doing the 6000+xp crafting project, and hundreds of the rare mats from estf runs. Which I am getting plenty of right now especially as I'm leveling my Fed Tac through the reps, and just account banking the boxes over to my Fed Eng who I am leveling in crafting. I can run 4 6000+ crafting exp projects at a time, just lacking the 5 slot that doesn't open till I get one school to 15.
Haven't spent nare a dime of dil on it yet.
Ya know, if I were not a nice person, I'd seriously tell you were to stick your "laziness" krap.
Whoop-dee-do, you've got the Luck Of Job and love coming to the forums and rubbing it in, to show how stupendous your prodigious play-style is.
What part of "Slightly-More-Than-A-Casual-Player" don't you understand. You even quoted me on it. (I'm not even going to get into the fact that I've been playing this game since day one)
I NEVER used the words 'Broken' or 'Unfair'... I simply expressed that IMO, the reward system for Purple Crafting materials is ridiculously low and not worth the bother...
At least to those of us who don't spend an inordinate amount of our daily lives, devoted to a pixilated form of entertainment.
BTW: You really need to learn to express yourself with a lot less animosity toward folks who apparently don't live up to your inane qualifications.
It evokes the pretentiousness of a twelve year olds mentality.
:rolleyes:
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
And no I don't see imruined's statement as being mean. Your animosity towards the system is based on your perception of your personal experiences, and my experiences tell me that yours are atypical. I've made millions selling purple mats, they're not as hard to come by as you claim.
My character Tsin'xing
if you have to run ESTFs to get the mats for crafting I may as well stop the grind. I don't do STFs normal or elite. I queued for one and three people bailled in the first 30 seconds. that resulted in the leaving penalty, since there was no way I was going to attempt it with one person, one in a cruiser and one in a sci.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
My character Tsin'xing