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ussinterceptussintercept Member Posts: 627 Arc User
edited September 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
When the wallpaper for the USS Voyager was posted I decided to use it. It was the last Star Trek series I watched as a kid and while I love the Galaxy and the Defiant. The Intrepid Class really was by far my favorite.

But immediately after placing the wallpaper on my computers background something leaped out at me. There appears to be a second warpcore. You can easily find it directly behind the Turbolift that runs to Deck 14. Its the same color as the rest of the ships blue schematic.

Interestingly enough. The Schematic on Memory Alpha shows it in the same color as the Warpcore shown in the Wallpaper. The only difference being the Warpcore being connected to some sort of machine directly above it on Deck 7.

Now Ive watched the Series a handful of times now and never have I heard mention of a Second Warpcore or a redundant Warpcore in some sort of storage.

So Im curious if this was an oversight on those who drew up the schematic or if the Writers forgot about this fact when writing up the episode where the Warpcore is jettisoned in Season 5 I believe.
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  • thegcbaconthegcbacon Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    It's been documented by multiple sources and seems to be part of the poor writing that plagued VOY.
  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Over the past decade, I have watched, watched, rewatched, and watched again. Not even once has that warp core ever been mentioned, showed, or even suggested to exist. What you are looking at is another Cryptic invention, and maybe a suggestion for future content. Ships obviously don't have secondary deflectors, and never did, but Cryptic is planning to implement that into the ship mechanics.

    Now something like a Galaxy Class, that makes sense. The saucer section is supposed to be warp capable on its own, so it would need to have its own warp core. But as far as I know, Intrepid Class was never made to separate, and an Intrepid Class is much too small for that to make sense anyway.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Over the past decade, I have watched, watched, rewatched, and watched again. Not even once has that warp core ever been mentioned, showed, or even suggested to exist. What you are looking at is another Cryptic invention, and maybe a suggestion for future content. Ships obviously don't have secondary deflectors, and never did, but Cryptic is planning to implement that into the ship mechanics.

    Now something like a Galaxy Class, that makes sense. The saucer section is supposed to be warp capable on its own, so it would need to have its own warp core. But as far as I know, Intrepid Class was never made to separate, and an Intrepid Class is much too small for that to make sense anyway.

    I've never heard of the Saucer Section on a Galaxy being warp capable...are you sure you aren't thinking about the Prometheus?

    And I've seen several Master Systems Displays that says the Intrepid has 2 deflectors...just as the Nova does.
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  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The MSD for Voyager always showed a secondary warp core; but it never came up in the show. Why not? Who knows?

    Oh, and both Voyager and the Equinox had secondary deflectors. It was more obvious on the Equinox, but Voyager did have one (that's what the thing set into the hull between the bridge and the nose was).
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  • thegcbaconthegcbacon Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Also look for the Captain's Yacht in the bottom of Voyager's saucer that was never used in the series.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The VOYAGER Tech manual written for the writers of show, says that the second WARP Core is a "backup" for parts, if needed.
    Apparently, it's rather difficult (read: Impossible) to build one outside of a dry-dock.

    I do believe that it was mentioned once, late in the series, when they had to eject the main core for a reason that escapes me at the moment.

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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I always assumed it should have been a shuttlebay, and what looks like an unused torpedo tube in the nose. See this photo. Here are the specs.
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I've never heard of the Saucer Section on a Galaxy being warp capable...are you sure you aren't thinking about the Prometheus?
    I know Promethius Class is. But in the very first TNG episode, Enterprise separated, and the saucer section went ahead to pick up Riker. I very highly doubt it travelled at Impulse the entire way. If it travelled at Impulse speed, the first season would already be over before the saucer arrived.
    thegcbacon wrote: »
    Also look for the Captain's Yacht in the bottom of Voyager's saucer that was never used in the series.
    That is this. It was supposedly never used because the producers didn't want to trump Picard's yacht launch in Nemesis.
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  • aikuchiiaikuchii Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    While your at it look at the two torpedo launchers, the aft launcher also has a torpedo magazine attached, the fore one does not.
  • ussinterceptussintercept Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Over the past decade, I have watched, watched, rewatched, and watched again. Not even once has that warp core ever been mentioned, showed, or even suggested to exist. What you are looking at is another Cryptic invention, and maybe a suggestion for future content. Ships obviously don't have secondary deflectors, and never did, but Cryptic is planning to implement that into the ship mechanics.

    Now something like a Galaxy Class, that makes sense. The saucer section is supposed to be warp capable on its own, so it would need to have its own warp core. But as far as I know, Intrepid Class was never made to separate, and an Intrepid Class is much too small for that to make sense anyway.

    This is incorrect. Take a look at the Memory Alpha Page here http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Intrepid_class_decks and you will see that the secondary warpcore is present and is actually highlighted much like the primary.
  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    An Auxiliary Deflector? That makes me wonder if that was supposed to be a spare, or for actual use. Not once was it ever used, or mentioned.
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  • thegcbaconthegcbacon Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    That is this. It was supposedly never used because the producers didn't want to trump Picard's yacht launch in Nemesis.

    The producer's excuse would be feasible if they didn't add the Delta Flyer, which trumps Picard's yacht.
  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I think the Delta Flyer was the Facepalm Moment, the moment when the producers finally realized that Voyager can have its own unique thing without trumping another series.
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  • ussinterceptussintercept Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    I think the Delta Flyer was the Facepalm Moment, the moment when the producers realized Voyager can have its own unique thing without trumping another series.

    Thats another thing I noticed. The Shuttle bay is too small for the Delta Flyer, even though we saw clear as day during its construction that it had plenty of room to fly out of it.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    I always assumed it should have been a shuttlebay, and what looks like an unused torpedo tube in the nose. See this photo. Here are the specs.

    I know Promethius Class is. But in the very first TNG episode, Enterprise separated, and the saucer section went ahead to pick up Riker. I very highly doubt it travelled at Impulse the entire way. If it travelled at Impulse speed, the first season would already be over before the saucer arrived.

    That is this. It was supposedly never used because the producers didn't want to trump Picard's yacht launch in Nemesis[/B].

    Actually, that isn't the complete reason. It was originally a monetary decision, the producers didn't want to spend the money to build a workable model and pay to have it filmed in the early seasons.

    It was actually built digitally in a computer later on in the last couple of seasons (you can find a short vid of it launching on the Internetz), but by then, They were planning Nemesis and at that point it became redundant.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    An Auxiliary Deflector? That makes me wonder if that was supposed to be a spare, or for actual use. Not once was it ever used, or mentioned.
    That gadget was a different ship system entirely from the main deflector. It apparently had a similar function, but was a lot smaller. You can see it in the MSD near the nose of Voyager.
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  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    I always assumed it should have been a shuttlebay, and what looks like an unused torpedo tube in the nose. See this photo. Here are the specs.

    Really? You thought that was a shuttle bay?

    I mean REALLY? It looks nothing like a shuttle bay, even in the spec you provide it looks like a smaller deflector.
  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Granted, that hole would have been perfect for a massive Phaser Lance, but a ship built for scientific charting and exploration should not even have such a weapon at all. If (IF) a Warship was built on that hull chassis, that is where I would put the heavy weapon.
    ussintercept wrote: »
    Thats another thing I noticed. The Shuttle bay is too small for the Delta Flyer, even though we saw clear as day during its construction that it had plenty of room to fly out of it.
    That is another size problem. In the internet blueprints, the shuttlebay extends all the way forward to the point where the front wall is the wall separating the shuttlebay from Engineering. But even that is small compared to the rest of the ship. But yet, that shuttlebay is supposed to hold Neelix's ship, the Delta Flyer, AND at least 2 standard shuttles. How?
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Granted, that hole would have been perfect for a massive Phaser Lance, but a ship built for scientific charting and exploration should not even have such a weapon at all. If (IF) a Warship was built on that hull chassis, that is where I would put the heavy weapon.

    That is another size problem. In the internet blueprints, the shuttlebay extends all the way forward to the point where the front wall is the wall separating the shuttlebay from Engineering. But even that is small compared to the rest of the ship. But yet, that shuttlebay is supposed to hold Neelix's ship, the Delta Flyer, AND at least 2 standard shuttles. How?

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  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited September 2014
    Lol, can I get the AeroShuttle as an option for my Intrepid, Combat pet perhaps, that just looks very cool. Especially if they animated the launch, I know unlikely request but still looks very cool. :D
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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    ussintercept wrote: »
    This is incorrect. Take a look at the Memory Alpha Page here http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Intrepid_class_decks and you will see that the secondary warpcore is present and is actually highlighted much like the primary.

    It doesn't matter whether it was highlighted or not. Taco showed us pictures of the Voyager manual he posesses. And he clearly said that the auxiliary warp core is not attached to any of the ships systems and only meant to be a spare warp core.

    If the primary warp core has to be ejected and cannot be salvaged, the auxiliary one is ejected as well and then reinserted through the hatch of the primary core and then reconnected to the main systems. The reason this has never been done in the show might be that the auxiliary core was cannibalized early in the show to have enough spare parts to keep the ship running.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    szim wrote: »
    It doesn't matter whether it was highlighted or not. Taco showed us pictures of the Voyager manual he posesses. And he clearly said that the auxiliary warp core is not attached to any of the ships systems and only meant to be a spare warp core.

    If the primary warp core has to be ejected and cannot be salvaged, the auxiliary one is ejected as well and then reinserted through the hatch of the primary core and then reconnected to the main systems. The reason this has never been done in the show might be that the auxiliary core was cannibalized early in the show to have enough spare parts to keep the ship running.

    Reading that makes me wonder... If the Second warpcore is to be ejected too...

    How? The Primary core has a clear ejection port, but there is no such thing for the secondary one...

    Edit:

    Oh wait... There actually seems to be a secondary ejection hatch for it... Nice info right there. This was present in all the images I could find.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The Aeroshuttle launch as it would have looked like in the show for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhZ6D-PLssQ
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    The Aeroshuttle launch as it would have looked like in the show for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhZ6D-PLssQ

    Meh... Fanmade... But still kinda good looking.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Meh... Fanmade... But still kinda good looking.

    Not "hard" canon of course since never in the show but I was under the impression that this was made by the official voy SFX team as a producer presentation.
  • foolishowlfoolishowl Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I've never heard of the Saucer Section on a Galaxy being warp capable...are you sure you aren't thinking about the Prometheus?

    I think it was said to be warp-capable in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, but I don't have that available.

    I think it's at least strongly implied, however. In the episodes in which the NCC-1701D separates, the saucer section is ordered to travel to the nearest starbase, and in "Encounter at Farpoint", the saucer arrives at its destination before the stardrive section. Unless the saucer section had a warp drive, it would take many years to reach an adjacent star system.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    Not "hard" canon of course since never in the show but I was under the impression that this was made by the official voy SFX team as a producer presentation.

    Na... The officer in the runabout cockpit uses the ST:FC uniform, and the bridge-scene is from one of the landings that were actually shown.

    The rest is from a CGI representation of the shuttle that was released a long while ago.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Na... The officer in the runabout cockpit uses the ST:FC uniform, and the bridge-scene is from one of the landings that were actually shown.

    The rest is from a CGI representation of the shuttle that was released a long while ago.

    Oh; good to know. Though the mockup interior scenes where made by them to sell it better to the bigwigs.

    But besides that I still do think it would have looked more or less exactly like that in the show.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    Oh; good to know. Though the mockup interior scenes where made by them to sell it better to the bigwigs.

    But besides that I still do think it would have looked more or less exactly like that in the show.

    I agree, it's a pretty good replica... But I don't think it's made by Paramount or CBS.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited September 2014
    Gotta love the ineptitude of Team Berman... it's sad that you can poke holes into even the smallest of details about this show, in particular. Voyager (and Enterprise) deserved better.
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  • daedalus304daedalus304 Member Posts: 1,049 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I think it might just be a fusion generator or a backup antimatter driven powersource.
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