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I was pleasantly surprised when I logged on to Tribble. The new map interface is much easier to work with at the galaxy wide view. Significant star systems and "land marks" such as ESD and DS9 are clearly identified and what's even more interesting is that the map's location in the milkyway is also visible. Nice uppgrade.
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Actually, those sectors are south in the Beta quadrant. The Borg used Transwarp conduits to get there. ;-)
yeah it seems weird that the Borg did that almost flanking but those sectors are down because that is where the Gorn hegemony was and where Kirk and Kahn fought ect, isn't the system from TOS "Arena" in there. the place kirk and the Gorn fought.
But most people don't pay attention to the Star Trek: Star Charts book so the logical response is that Gamma Orionis lies between known space and the Delta Quadrant since it is the front lines for the battle between the Federation/Klingon Empire Alliance and the Borg. While there are the Transwarp Conduits in the Infected and Khitomer Accord Space STFs, there is nothing in the game to indicate that the Borg aren't taking a straight path from Borg space to attack the Alpha Quadrant.
It is interesting how the Romulan Republic, Klingon Empire, and Federation are all classified as Alpha Quadrant powers and yet they are all in the Beta Quadrant. Also, there are lots of references in the game to the Alpha Quadrant and not the Beta Quadrant. For example, In Battle Group Omega, Four of Ten states "We have pinpointed this region as the heart of their incursion of the Alpha Quadrant. Our mission is to stop the Borg here, before they can reach the heart of the Federation." As far as I know, the heart of the Federation is Sol, Vulcan, and Andoria which are apparently in the Beta Quadrant. So the heart of the Federation will be perfectly fine if the Borg are heading toward the Alpha Quadrant.
and the mutara nebula is in the gamma orionis sector block; the mutara nebula is also in the alpha quadrant
ergo, gamma orionis is nowhere near the delta quadrant
(at least, i think the nebula is in the alpha quadrant...wrath of khan never really stated implicitly where it was, just that the system it's located in is under federation control)
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I have a slightly larger issue with the new Galaxy Map. You have positioned most of Federation space in the BETA quadrant. With Earth located directly on the border of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
The Mutara nebula is in the Beta Quadrant. The majority of the game is in the Beta Quadrant with just a few sectors in the Alpha Quadrant.
Cryptic uses the Star Trek: Star Charts book for the location of star systems. There is a lot of contradictions between the Star Trek reference books. The Federation, Romulan Star Empire, and Klingon Empire all have territory in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants and it is more often referred to as the Alpha and Beta Quadrants than the Alpha Quadrant and Beta Quadrant. It is a huge pain trying to make sense out of where everything is.
I am quite familiar with the Star Charts book (own a copy myself). And while it is quite handy in assisting the determination of system locations for seldom seen planets, I think it's pretty clear that the majority of the Federation exists within the Alpha Quadrant (regardless of what the Star Charts book says, since it's not canon). And I think it's rather ridiculous to conclude that Earth (of all planets in the galaxy), is located precisely on the border between two quadrants. That would be like saying that Earth Spacedock is in the Alpha Quadrant, but if you venture out past Saturn, you're suddenly in the Beta Quadrant.
Now, as I am a big fan of Deep Space Nine, I know they repeatedly refer to both Starfleet, the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Empire as being "Alpha Quadrant Powers", which is flatout wrong, since the majority of Romulan and Klingon space are clearly in the Beta Quadrant.
The Sol system was located less than ninety light years from the Qo'noS system, a system in the Beta Quadrant. This system was located at the boundary line between the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. (ENT: "Broken Bow", "Two Days and Two Nights"; Star Trek: Insurrection; Star Trek Into Darkness)
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yeah, it's tough to criticize the game for oddities and inconsistencies like that when the source material is completely inconsistent. There's no clear canon to violate.
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England is considered a Western country, yes? A good chunk of England is east of the Prime Meridian. Same for France, Germany, Italy... most of Europe.
Same for Star Trek. Alpha Quadrant as a political term is different from it's galactographic definition.
Hmm I know we would have to look at a 3D map to make a final verdict but on your map there doesn't really seem to be a common border between the Federation and the Romulan Empire. Where is the Romulan Neutral Zone we heard so much about? And shouldn't one of the galaxy's "axis" go through Sol?
If that map is correct either Voyager would have a short voyage home or Federation would have a lot of problems reaching planets within their borders.
I dunno how much you are involved with the designing of the new map. I know since beta you have built a map yourself as a private person and your strong feelings about this. In a much less degree of details, I tried myself to rebuild the map from sector block views or pointed some errors such as planetary systems on wrong side of empire borders.
The new map:
- I love the look of it overall with clean look, icons for some main hubs and so on.
- However, I still wish the Borg block would be set where it should be: south of the Klingon Empire, Beta Quadrant side.
- Please, slide the Cardassian block set back south where it should be (according to ST star chat book).
as a side note: can we please get rid of the 'road signs' on sector space if we are flying with astrometrics off?
Thanks, and nice to see you in the right place Suricata!
Yes, but for your own reference (and that of others) England is not a political entity, so isn't the best of examples to be using.
Star Charts aren't canon, but ultimately neither is STO. They've chosen to use it as their basis, although obviously it creates some scaling issues, as the first sector block is about a third to a half of the length of the second one).
The "Borg sector" is in the Beta Quadrant, on the southern border of Klingon space. Even ignoring the Star Charts, there is enough canon basis to confirm that it is at the very least in (former) Federation space (for example *spoiler alert*, the planet the Undine blow up is the home planet of B'Elanna Torres). There were plans at one point to expand onto it to add in the former Gorn Hegemony, but that's about it.
I have no problem with them using different scales even with the two consecutive sector blocks, I just wish they'd acknowledging it in sector space because their scale at the moment treats it like regular 20 LY space.
It would be nice if eventually we had a map in-game even more comprehensive than the Star Charts, but that will be many years away.
Secondly, for me and many other ST fans, we consider STO at the same level as the ST Animated Series = "it is canon until a live-action productions contradicts its stories". Remember, this is the last material we will ever get of the Primeverse. Paramount, CBS, and company, are concentrating on Ambramverse now.
Not to mention, CBS approves the storyline of STO, I remember reading an interview about it when the game was still in development. No one here will consider the Relaunch Books at the same level of canonicity as the STAS and the comics, because it's obvious the powers-that-be doesn't care what the authors release in the novel channel -- not like in cartoons, comics, and this, STO.
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