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cabezadetortuga
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Hey, is there any possibility that we might one day encounter Mirror Universe Borg in STO?
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As the Borg were created by a freak accident caused by early Starfleet, I doubt it
Explain. There's nothing to support that claim in neither Enterprise, TNG, DS9, Voyager nor in any of the movies.
As for the Borg from the Mirror universe, what is the point of divergence for the creation of the mirror universe and did that event reach as far as the delta quadrant?
One other thing to consider: if you change the Borg, are they still the Borg?
What he said?
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Is that really what happened, though?
There has been no definitive answer about the origin of the Borg in STO. We can point to the similarities between V'Ger and the Borg Unimatrix vessels as evidence that the events of Star Trek I resulted in the creation of the Borg collective, but that is not the only explanation.
Perhaps such similarities between V'Ger and the Borg Unimatrix vessels are due to the Borg assimilating the machine planet that refurbished the Voyager probe into V'Ger. That is a possible explanation that does not require Starfleet to be the cause of the Borg collective.
Another possible explanation is that such similarities are mere coincidences.
Also, I seem to remember an episode of Voyager in which it was explained that the Borg had been around for many centuries or even thousands of years. That would be evidence that V'Ger and Decker are NOT the origin of the Borg Collective, since the Borg Collective would have already been established by the point that V'Ger returned to Earth (that would also mean that the Borg Collective existed since before the Voyager was even originally launched from Earth in the 20th century).
EDIT: I must also note that the Vaadwaur who had been kept in stasis for hundreds of years already were aware of the Borg because they had encountered them when they ruled a vast empire LONG before the events of Star Trek I.
If you pop up the time-travel card, I'm out because that allows anything for anyone.
but... but...
Janeways prefers to avoid it
Don't get me wrong. It's an interesting subject and allows for great stories. But...
Especially if you refer to an advanced race like the borg it's bound to get complicated.
there are several problems with the Borg.
Guinan say thousands of centuries, but 7 said about 900-1100 years.
So... they need to establish it.
Sure, but now add time travel to it
Considering that they share all gained knowledge, that they don't have other species limitations, etc...
Even the story in First Contact is dangerous.
But I would maintain that the Borg would be the same, assuming they weren't a product of some human time travel paradox.
The Mirror Universe is not the opposite universe, generally speaking.
The best conjecture would seem to be that it's a world where Caesar wasn't assassinated or where Rome never fell. The TRIBBLE-like hand salutes and much of the design cues are Roman so it would seem to be a Roman inspired culture.
Vulcans, Klingons, etc. were seemingly identical until the Vulcans landed and Zefram Cochrane enslaved them and followed them back to Vulcan. Borg should be identical... and the Collective may even be the same Collective, linked across all possible universes. (That's what the Queen's line about "four dimensional thinking" implies, that she either moves around time or survives by copying over to her alternate timeline counterparts.)
The next best guess I'd have for how the Mirror Universe formed would be that it had Romulan intervention of some kind. I figure at some point, some writer somewhere is bound to establish a link between the Romulans and ancient Romans. In the 60s, a classical allusion was enough to justify space Romans but I think we're at a point as a culture where audiences will probably eventually demand a logical reason why Romulans and Romans are so similar.
And there, my guess is either that the early Vulcan separatists' first stop was earth. They would have arrived sometime in the 4th century A.D. based on existing canon timeframes so that likely means the Romulans would have adopted their culture FROM Romans rather than vice versa. Because Rome was in full force before the Romulans splintered off.
From there, maybe we can guess that in the Prime Universe, the Romulans left earth taking Roman culture with them. And in the Mirror Universe, they stayed or backed the Terrans as pawns. Which might explain how and why a seemingly primitive human population that barely had warp capability on its own could enslave Vulcan.
I think there's a circumstantial case for Romulans backing the Terrans as the one canon reference to Mirror Romulans indicates that they are politically neutral but may covertly arm Terrans upon request. Granted, it's regular Sisko who says it but nobody corrects him.
Complicated matter over.
Time will only tell!
Swedish to be exact.
Starfleet historians are still involved in a heated debate if they evolved from the well known meatball or not.
Also, the "thousands of centuries" probably works better for STO because it allows the Borg to be tied in with the Iconians and the various machine life forms that seem leftover from that era.
The Iconians' main weapon in canon was a computer virus so I think it COULD work that the Borg were one of the main enemies of the Iconians... and it may have even been intended at the time the Iconians were introduced because the TNG writers were deliberately seeding hints of the Borg at that time.
Hard to say since Roddenberry is no longer with us and Steve Gerber, who created the Iconians (and Howard the Duck!), has also passed on. But the Borg were first hinted at in season 1 of TNG and the Iconian computer virus was introduced 11 episodes after the first Borg hint.
I'd argue that if the Borg were successfully defeated or pushed back to a handful of systems in the Delta Quadrant by the Iconians then the Borg's quest for "perfection" might be them trying to overcome the design flaw that the Iconians had utilized against them.
I think the mission was edited but we did get an indication in STO that the Iconians didn't care for the Borg and I seem to recall an Iconian ship showing up to help us fight off the Borg at one point.
Kinda suggests that however much the Iconians don't like us, they like the Borg less. And that sure seems to imply a history between them. Because that was the one example in the entirety of STO where Iconians help us.
Though I am still a believer of the "a military alien program gone horribly wrong"-theory.
Thats aside, the STO Borg are like the mirror borg. There the borg simply invade and assimilate, regardless of who the victim is. Even kazon would be assimilated.
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
CYBROG no matter what happen, just idea to give it a name called BORG in any case. You would need to contact the first writers on this subject to get a clear understanding on their concept idea that has gone full circle today.
Time will only tell!
As they are hive minded, the encounter became known to collectives that were closer to the Alpha Quadrent and their transwarp technology allowed them to move in and establish outposts and so the invasion began.
Since this incident didn't occur in the Mirror timeline, the borg are likely unaware of the Alpha quadrent species yet. Though it is probably only a matter of time before their probes find them.
actually they were aware of Earth in the 22nd Century
Would also explain Q's motivation in introducing us to them earlier than we would have met them naturally.
I find it highly unlikely the Borg would have been around when the Iconians were. They certainly woulldn't have had any contact with them because the Borg definitely would have tried to assimilate them around the time they were defeated. And we know the Iconians have powers far beyond that of the Borg.
You mean like the Canadian Borg? :P
The one cube we've seen was, uh, a cube but 'stood' on one of its corners instead of 'sitting' on a square.
There's no reason to assume the Borg don't exist in other universes, even if they were caused by a freak accident in one (ST: Destiny).
EDIT: I looked it up Species 47.
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