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chromatychromaty Member Posts: 84 Arc User
edited October 2014 in Federation Discussion
Cloaking devices are useless in Missions because a ship is getting decloaked at every Message Window. In some Borg-missions for example, I can (cloaked) aproach enemy ships, but if I in fire range, a message appears (that Ive read 1000 times before) and my ship lose disguise in cause of this message window.

This is stupid... why do ships decloaking when a message window appears?

Fix this pls, this sux!

Sry for my bad english :P
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  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Will not be fixed as it is something we poor kdf folks have asked for years. The reason why it will not be fixed is because some missions need the cloak to not be engaged in order to flow so the dialog is used to do it. In some missions they did change the dialog to a pop-in message to ensure people weren't falling out of cloak.

    To sum up: it will stay as it is.

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  • drmoxdrmox Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The irony here is that the new T6 Fed Ships with their cloaks will behave just as erratic as what the Excelsior's sabotaged Transwarp drive was. True to form for Star Trek I say! :D

    I bet the Intel Officer onboard who probably is responsible for the cloaking device says a little prayer before engaging it too! :rolleyes:
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  • neomodiousneomodious Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    If I remember correctly, picking up an item also decloaks you... :|
  • siotaylorsiotaylor Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    drmox wrote: »
    The irony here is that the new T6 Fed Ships with their cloaks will behave just as erratic as what the Excelsior's sabotaged Transwarp drive was. True to form for Star Trek I say! :D

    I bet the Intel Officer onboard who probably is responsible for the cloaking device says a little prayer before engaging it too! :rolleyes:

    An Intel officer called Montgomery Scott by any chance?
  • oldkirkfanoldkirkfan Member Posts: 1,263 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    siotaylor wrote: »
    An Intel officer called Montgomery Scott by any chance?

    Scotty would be able to figure out a way to communicate, and pick up items without decloaking.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    chromaty wrote: »
    Cloaking devices are useless in Missions because a ship is getting decloaked at every Message Window.


    Didn't you know that sound waves travels more easily through space (and your ship's hull) than it does through water?

    Well... at least according to Cryptic...
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    It's because the mailman need to see you in order to deliver the message... :D

    25th century advanced technology... :rolleyes:
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You eventually learn when the messages will happen (if you haven't already) and you learn to cloak around that.
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2014
    neomodious wrote: »
    If I remember correctly, picking up an item also decloaks you... :|

    Scanning and picking up items decloak you, but at least that makes sense.

    The guy in the same room telling you something does not.

    Let's hope the new Episodes and STFs don't do it.
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    Didn't you know that sound waves travels more easily through space (and your ship's hull) than it does through water?

    Well... at least according to Cryptic...

    It's canon, not Crypticverse - why do you think sonic disruptors were space weapons in TOS?
  • spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You eventually learn when the messages will happen (if you haven't already) and you learn to cloak around that.
    You are right ... with some experience, no big deal.
    But that's a stupid and hilarious mechanism from a canon point of view, actually also from a gaming point of view.
    Decloaking because you are picking some loot is fair : you can't have both.
    But decloaking because your officer is telling you something?
    Imagine that happening to the Defiant in the Gamma quadrant in DS9 LOL
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    scurry5 wrote: »
    It's canon, not Crypticverse - why do you think sonic disruptors were space weapons in TOS?

    They were short range planetary defense weapons with less than half the effective range of phasers.

    Additionally, I do not think people can talk as loud as 18 to the power of 12 (18^12) decibels high.


    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sonic_disruptor
  • trevormacewantrevormacewan Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Scanning and picking up items decloak you, but at least that makes sense.

    The guy in the same room telling you something does not.

    Let's hope the new Episodes and STFs don't do it.

    We can only hope that they don't. However, pretty much have gotten use to getting decloaked during missions. Usually only use the cloak when I'm fighting enemies to do some hit and run tactics.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    scurry5 wrote: »
    It's canon, not Crypticverse - why do you think sonic disruptors were space weapons in TOS?

    They weren't actually. The only time weapons were identified as "sonic disruptors" was in "A Taste of Armageddon"...and they only worked as long as the Enterprise was in close orbit.
    Once she got a chance to take up higher a position the weapon was useless.
  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    they already somewhat addressed this in LoR for the sake of romulans. if anything was ever going to motivate a proper fix it would be 'feddie cloak'.
    personally, i reckon they should let feddies suffer with it how we have suffered with it for years. a quick fix now would be beyond insulting.
  • autumnturningautumnturning Member Posts: 743 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The underlying problem is that the game mechanic responsible for this was intentionally designed for MAXIMUM STUPID and boy oh boy did they ever succeed!

    The underlying default basic assumption of the game is that if there is an Interact OF ANY KIND that your Cloak will drop.

    Of course, ask any player and they'll tell you that's incredibly DUMB ... but that was then and this is now.

    Cryptic has developed a "workaround patch" for this piece of Maximum Stupid ... but rather than fixing the underlying problem (ie. the assumption that makes this stupid in the first place) ... instead this workaround patch has to be applied piecemeal to individual missions.

    So rather than Fix Everything All At Once, the only way to deal with it is to "fix" things in eeny-meeny-miney-moe fashion. Guess how much priority Cryptic has put on that?
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    eurialo wrote: »
    It's because the mailman need to see you in order to deliver the message... :D

    25th century advanced technology... :rolleyes:

    Weirdly, picking up/dropping off the secret orders package in the Dyson sphere doesn't de-cloak you (yes, transporters).

    *shrug
    Feds crying about the 'weird' cloaking mechanic makes me happy tho, they FINALLY see what the KDF has been complaining about for YEARS. Poor widdle feddybear, got his cloak and it ain't better than anyone elses.

    :P
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Weirdly, picking up/dropping off the secret orders package in the Dyson sphere doesn't de-cloak you (yes, transporters).

    *shrug
    Feds crying about the 'weird' cloaking mechanic makes me happy tho, they FINALLY see what the KDF has been complaining about for YEARS. Poor widdle feddybear, got his cloak and it ain't better than anyone elses.

    :P

    and if they think its bad now, they should have seen it before the patches that went in for the benefit of their new faction (romulans).
  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Have to agree that incoming transmissions decloaking you are complete bullsh*t. If that worked in the show Feds wouldn't be so scared of cloaked Rommies....
  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    You need to cloak in PvE? Honestly I never cared about cloaking there. Scared of NPCs? :P
  • liverwurstliverwurst Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Does enabling "Keep moving during contact dialogs" in Controls help?
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The KDF had complained about this since STO released years ago. Yet here we still are, congradulations guys in joining the frustration on this issue.

    Cryptic thinks everything's good to go.
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  • coolheadalcoolheadal Member Posts: 1,253 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I have no issues using the Tier 5 Rep Cloak Active Trait in KDF with the Borg PVE Elite Mission. Works as-is. Cloak and fire all weapons. Then decloak after the timer runs out.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Waitaminnit. You're telling me someone needs the tactical advantage of a cloaked ship against PvE opponents? With this AI?

    Stop! It's too funny! You're killing me! I haven't laughed this hard in weeks.

    So do the messages. Maneuver out of firing range. Cloak and then get your General Chang on. Problem solved.
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  • coolheadalcoolheadal Member Posts: 1,253 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Waitaminnit. You're telling me someone needs the tactical advantage of a cloaked ship against PvE opponents? With this AI?

    Stop! It's too funny! You're killing me! I haven't laughed this hard in weeks.

    So do the messages. Maneuver out of firing range. Cloak and then get your General Chang on. Problem solved.

    It's there to use! I use it.. So this way the Borg cube doesn't try use the blue cutting beam on my shields and the two Borg sphere. Comes in handy can use it as weapon also. It's all fun! You play the game your way, I play it for fun.. ;)
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I seem to recall way back when I played SFC III there was a mission or two where the AI used a cloaked ship. Very enjoyable to play and one of the few challenges in that particular game.

    I have a Mogai here and I do the cloaked roflstomp boogie with it once in a awhile. I use cloak tactics in Ker'rat as well sometimes. A few of the Dil farmers in Scimitards really don't like it, lol. Earned me some Ignores and some Report to GM missives. Oh well. Some Captains need every scrap of advantage they can get. It's just the way things are. I know I did when I started playing this game. Anyways, I was not trying to hurt anyone's feelings over this. I was just being a bit of a smarty pants. As per usual.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Waitaminnit. You're telling me someone needs the tactical advantage of a cloaked ship against PvE opponents? With this AI?

    Stop! It's too funny! You're killing me! I haven't laughed this hard in weeks.

    So do the messages. Maneuver out of firing range. Cloak and then get your General Chang on. Problem solved.

    If you're ship has a means on giving you, say, +40% all damage for a few seconds before even considering whatever TAC buffs and abilities you apply, why not use it?

    Unless you're a fool?

    :rolleyes:

    I guess, huh? :rolleyes:

    Edit to add: Actually, you make sense from what I've seen in game. Those Roms that don't even use cloaks, despite them providing stealth and some of the most powerful attack bonuses you can get for a rather lengthy period of time without using captain or BOFF abilities. Despite the fabulous BOFF traits that make the Roms so OP with their cloaked warfare. You are EXACTLY like those guys.

    What a waste...
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    as older missions get 'remastered' they will be removing this stuff. go play through some of the remastered fed missions in a defiant or something, and you'll see that it doesnt happen anymore.
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