I have a question: If the Tier 6 ships are more better than the T5U Lobi ships, then what tier will the next Lobi ships be? If theyre 5, they wont sell very well and loose Cryptic a lot of money.
Secondly, if new Lobi ships are all T6, the next time they run a bug ship lottery, will the bug ship be T5 or T6? I see two distinct bug ships on the horizon.
I have a question: If the Tier 6 ships are more better than the T5U Lobi ships, then what tier will the next Lobi ships be? If theyre 5, they wont sell very well and loose Cryptic a lot of money.
Secondly, if new Lobi ships are all T6, the next time they run a bug ship lottery, will the bug ship be T5 or T6? I see two distinct bug ships on the horizon.
I believe Lock Box and Lobi Ships are getting a free T6 Upgrade.
Edit: I might actually be wrong there, I know they're getting a free upgrade, though am not sure whether that'll be to T5U or T6. I thought I read some weeks ago that the Bug was getting a T6 Upgrade (and if so, it's likely all Lock Box/Lobi Ships would.
If not, then it's likely that T6 Ships will forever be faction specific, and that all Lock Box/Lobi Ships will forever be T5U at the best; otherwise Cryptic would lose out on Lock Box Reruns if half the releases are T5U and the other (new half) are T6.
I have a question: If the Tier 6 ships are more better than the T5U Lobi ships, then what tier will the next Lobi ships be? If theyre 5, they wont sell very well and loose Cryptic a lot of money.
Secondly, if new Lobi ships are all T6, the next time they run a bug ship lottery, will the bug ship be T5 or T6? I see two distinct bug ships on the horizon.
Lockbox ships get a free Upgrade to T5U. All future Lockbox ships will come out of the box a minimum of T5U.
As near as I can tell there are 3 different types of ships with this new Expansion Pack.
T5U ships get +1 Console, along with extra Hull, etc. You can buy a Token to upgrade a T5 into T5U. So they can have up-to 11 Console slots.
T6 ships get +1 Boff ability rather then a Console, along with extra Hull, etc. So they have 13 Boff abilities.
T6 Intelligence ships are a new Class of ship. They get +1 Boff ability, rather then a Console, along with extra Hull, etc. They also get to use an Intelligence Boff. So Intelligence ships will have Tac Boffs, Eng Boffs, Sci Boffs, and Int Boffs - but they will still only have 13 Boff abilities like any other T6 ship, but they get new Ability choices due to the Int Boff having new abilities.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I believe Lock Box and Lobi Ships are getting a free T6 Upgrade.
Edit: I might actually be wrong there, I know they're getting a free upgrade, though am not sure whether that'll be to T5U or T6. I thought I read some weeks ago that the Bug was getting a T6 Upgrade (and if so, it's likely all Lock Box/Lobi Ships would.
If not, then it's likely that T6 Ships will forever be faction specific, and that all Lock Box/Lobi Ships will forever be T5U at the best; otherwise Cryptic would lose out on Lock Box Reruns if half the releases are T5U and the other (new half) are T6.
I can't help but think that forever T5U is going to loose them a lot of money as (I believe) lockboxes are one of their best sources of income.
why should a rise in level require a new rank?
ok they have given us full admiral at tier 60 but they could give us tier 70, 80 or 90 and still leave us as admiral.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
why should a rise in level require a new rank?
ok they have given us full admiral at tier 60 but they could give us tier 70, 80 or 90 and still leave us as admiral.
Nonono... Each 10 levels has to offer a new rank... It's how it's been so far, and because of this, it should continue like that, because it's not just changing variables, and there is certainly no reason to think outside of the box...
The game is actually MADE that way... It's bound... Hard-coded into the servers.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Depends on how much more they think they can gouge us for.
Make no mistake, T6 is all about money, and they're not getting mine anymore.
yup, clearly doesnt have to do with power creep, running out of BOFF/Console combinations, lack of progression past level cap, having a significant use for the crafting upgrade system, slowing down progression, adding tougher missions :rolleyes: not at all:eek:
yup, clearly doesnt have to do with power creep, running out of BOFF/Console combinations, lack of progression past level cap, having a significant use for the crafting upgrade system, slowing down progression, adding tougher missions :rolleyes: not at all:eek:
I am sure it's somewhere on the checklist, but it's not at the top...
The #1 reason for T6 ships: $$$$
As it should be: Cryptic needs to make as much money off STO, so that they can pay their workers to develop more ships and items for people to buy.
Why else would you run a business? Because you love Star Trek?
This is not the case here.
To make money... Thats is, always has and always will be #1 reason.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
I have a question: If the Tier 6 ships are more better than the T5U Lobi ships, then what tier will the next Lobi ships be? If theyre 5, they wont sell very well and loose Cryptic a lot of money.
Secondly, if new Lobi ships are all T6, the next time they run a bug ship lottery, will the bug ship be T5 or T6? I see two distinct bug ships on the horizon.
the lobi and lockbox T-5U occupy an interesting position along with T-5U fleet, of having 1 more console slot than a T6, and one less BOFF power...(not meaning like an extra full slot, meaning 1 power) ex: Lt com, Ltcom, Com, ensign VS ltcom, ltcom, com, lt
fair enough, although even if it is a"moneygrab" i say wait and see
Woha... Didn say moneygrab. Just said that the primary goal with the new ships were not to adress balance issues or something like that... It was to make money so that they could Pay PWE, CBS and their own employees.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
It does raise a question in my mind. What happens the next time they do an all lockbox event? Because I don't see people throwing lots of money in the future at a chance at a ship that's not even going to be equal to a T6.
It does raise a question in my mind. What happens the next time they do an all lockbox event? Because I don't see people throwing lots of money in the future at a chance at a ship that's not even going to be equal to a T6.
T5U ships get an extra Console Slot. T6 ships get an extra Boff ability. There will be times when an 11th Console will be more useful then a 13th Boff ability. It is really going to depend on the player's needs. I cannot say an 11th Console versus a 13th Boff ability is always going to be balanced but it seems like a fair trade-off to me.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
T5U ships get an extra Console Slot. T6 ships get an extra Boff ability. There will be times when an 11th Console will be more useful then a 13th Boff ability. It is really going to depend on the player's needs. I cannot say an 11th Console versus a 13th Boff ability is always going to be balanced but it seems like a fair trade-off to me.
Thats interesting.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
I have no intention of buying any of the new T6 ships, I'm happy in my Galaxy and Nebula. If there comes a time when the Galaxy and Nebula are (re)released as T6 then I'll reassess, but until then, I'm quite content and know that I'll be able to do what anyone in a full T6 ship can do as far as elevation goes.
Seems like you are already accustomed to mediocrity, so the expansion will be old hat for you in your weak ships. :rolleyes:
I'd give it two years at least. However, If Cryptic plans to raise the level cap again, they're going to have to seriously revamp levels, ranks, and ship tiers. The whole system is a [REDACTED] mess as it is.
I am sure it's somewhere on the checklist, but it's not at the top...
The #1 reason for T6 ships: $$$$
As it should be: Cryptic needs to make as much money off STO, so that they can pay their workers to develop more ships and items for people to buy.
Why else would you run a business? Because you love Star Trek?
This is not the case here.
To make money... Thats is, always has and always will be #1 reason.
100% this.
It's too hard to tell at this point how long before T7 or even T6U will be introduced.
One thing I'm certain, this expansion is probably going to make them a very good amount of $$$. In fact, I'll venture a guess that this will be the most they'll make in terms of an update of any kind, even when the game went F2P.
I'll have a hard time believing that they won't at the very least provide T6U by next year. It's all for the $$$ after all.
Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
T5U ships get an extra Console Slot. T6 ships get an extra Boff ability. There will be times when an 11th Console will be more useful then a 13th Boff ability. It is really going to depend on the player's needs. I cannot say an 11th Console versus a 13th Boff ability is always going to be balanced but it seems like a fair trade-off to me.
T5-U11 ships also have higher hull and shields. It seems to me that T5-U11 ships will have higher base stats but some T6 ships have more abilities like the extra boff ability, the Intel boff, that sensor thing, etc.
You have to choose if you want stats or abilities depending on your playstyle. Or just fly what you like more, it won't matter until you PvP.
Since Cryptic pulled the rug out from under us with this expansion, I have been wondering about their plans, if any, to make Tier 6 ships obsolete in 2015 or 2016. How long will these new $25 or more ships be flyable until they decide to soak us for Tier 7? As customers I think we have a right to know how long our investments are expected to last in game.
Unknown STO was released in Feb 2010 at that point the max level was 45 (or something like that). I have read that the level cap was increased to 51 about 6 months later (~ August 2010). Yes, max level was 51 before it was tweaked down to 50. The increase to level 60 basically comes a little over 4 years later.
Based on prior track record; expect the next level cap to come 6 months to 50 months later... assuming STO is still around...
i thin over the next 12-18 months some more T-6. around the 14-20 month mark Fleet and T 6.6 will appear, along with lockbox ships of that level, 24-36 months with see the 6.6 phase 2 ships
around the fourth year another expansion
As customers I think we have a right to know how long our investments are expected to last in game.
I think part of this community's problem is that some of you view your c-store purchases as "investments" instead of "entertainment." Investments are made to pay off in the future. Like many things in real life, purchases from the c-store will always decrease in value over time. There is nothing that you can buy from the c-store that will set you for the life of the game. If you're interested in getting the most bang for your buck, you should buy a T6 ship at release so that you can use it for the maximum amount of its useful time, whatever that may be.
Anyone that thought a 10 level raise in the level cap doesn't go hand in hand with a new tier of ships is an idiot, or has never played STO. The games is designed around unlocking a new tier every 10 levels.
And don't even try to pretend that you don't know for a fact that people here would be screaming bloody murder if the devs raised the level cap and didn't give us tier 6 ships. :rolleyes:
Oh I fully agree with that assessment. (Well almost, since we have only had T5 ships since level 40).
But saying that "it had to be done, just because we always did it like that" is simply not a valid explanation if you ask me.
If that were the case, Women wouldn have rights, people with dark skin pigmentation would not even be considered humans and we would all walk around without them little gadgets most of us have.
If there was a solid, documented argument for a specific reason other than "but we are raising the level cap", I might consider it, but I honestly beleive that this will heavily reduce ship sales (#1 income after Lockboxes, yes?) now and in the future... Cause who knows when all that money is wasted the next time?
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Before we can see T7 we will need to see T6.5s added. I would say we have 3-4 years before T7s make it into the game.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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Secondly, if new Lobi ships are all T6, the next time they run a bug ship lottery, will the bug ship be T5 or T6? I see two distinct bug ships on the horizon.
Edit: I might actually be wrong there, I know they're getting a free upgrade, though am not sure whether that'll be to T5U or T6. I thought I read some weeks ago that the Bug was getting a T6 Upgrade (and if so, it's likely all Lock Box/Lobi Ships would.
If not, then it's likely that T6 Ships will forever be faction specific, and that all Lock Box/Lobi Ships will forever be T5U at the best; otherwise Cryptic would lose out on Lock Box Reruns if half the releases are T5U and the other (new half) are T6.
T5-U upgrade actually... But yes... it will be free... So will the upgrades for LTS ships...
The matrix can be found here: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002163 (note that it is flawed, ships appearing twice in the same block and so on, that they have been made aware of, but chosen to ignore).
As near as I can tell there are 3 different types of ships with this new Expansion Pack.
T5U ships get +1 Console, along with extra Hull, etc. You can buy a Token to upgrade a T5 into T5U. So they can have up-to 11 Console slots.
T6 ships get +1 Boff ability rather then a Console, along with extra Hull, etc. So they have 13 Boff abilities.
T6 Intelligence ships are a new Class of ship. They get +1 Boff ability, rather then a Console, along with extra Hull, etc. They also get to use an Intelligence Boff. So Intelligence ships will have Tac Boffs, Eng Boffs, Sci Boffs, and Int Boffs - but they will still only have 13 Boff abilities like any other T6 ship, but they get new Ability choices due to the Int Boff having new abilities.
I can't help but think that forever T5U is going to loose them a lot of money as (I believe) lockboxes are one of their best sources of income.
ok they have given us full admiral at tier 60 but they could give us tier 70, 80 or 90 and still leave us as admiral.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Make no mistake, T6 is all about money, and they're not getting mine anymore.
Nonono... Each 10 levels has to offer a new rank... It's how it's been so far, and because of this, it should continue like that, because it's not just changing variables, and there is certainly no reason to think outside of the box...
The game is actually MADE that way... It's bound... Hard-coded into the servers.
yup, clearly doesnt have to do with power creep, running out of BOFF/Console combinations, lack of progression past level cap, having a significant use for the crafting upgrade system, slowing down progression, adding tougher missions :rolleyes: not at all:eek:
I am sure it's somewhere on the checklist, but it's not at the top...
The #1 reason for T6 ships: $$$$
As it should be: Cryptic needs to make as much money off STO, so that they can pay their workers to develop more ships and items for people to buy.
Why else would you run a business? Because you love Star Trek?
This is not the case here.
To make money... Thats is, always has and always will be #1 reason.
the lobi and lockbox T-5U occupy an interesting position along with T-5U fleet, of having 1 more console slot than a T6, and one less BOFF power...(not meaning like an extra full slot, meaning 1 power) ex: Lt com, Ltcom, Com, ensign VS ltcom, ltcom, com, lt
fair enough, although even if it is a"moneygrab" i say wait and see
Woha... Didn say moneygrab. Just said that the primary goal with the new ships were not to adress balance issues or something like that... It was to make money so that they could Pay PWE, CBS and their own employees.
Thats interesting.
Seems like you are already accustomed to mediocrity, so the expansion will be old hat for you in your weak ships. :rolleyes:
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100% this.
It's too hard to tell at this point how long before T7 or even T6U will be introduced.
One thing I'm certain, this expansion is probably going to make them a very good amount of $$$. In fact, I'll venture a guess that this will be the most they'll make in terms of an update of any kind, even when the game went F2P.
I'll have a hard time believing that they won't at the very least provide T6U by next year. It's all for the $$$ after all.
T5-U11 ships also have higher hull and shields. It seems to me that T5-U11 ships will have higher base stats but some T6 ships have more abilities like the extra boff ability, the Intel boff, that sensor thing, etc.
You have to choose if you want stats or abilities depending on your playstyle. Or just fly what you like more, it won't matter until you PvP.
Unknown STO was released in Feb 2010 at that point the max level was 45 (or something like that). I have read that the level cap was increased to 51 about 6 months later (~ August 2010). Yes, max level was 51 before it was tweaked down to 50. The increase to level 60 basically comes a little over 4 years later.
Based on prior track record; expect the next level cap to come 6 months to 50 months later... assuming STO is still around...
around the fourth year another expansion
Nah they'll make a killing selling upgrade tokens/items, especially if you consider the vocalists over T6 jigsaw puzzle ships.
They may also put tokens/items in lockboxes too.
I think part of this community's problem is that some of you view your c-store purchases as "investments" instead of "entertainment." Investments are made to pay off in the future. Like many things in real life, purchases from the c-store will always decrease in value over time. There is nothing that you can buy from the c-store that will set you for the life of the game. If you're interested in getting the most bang for your buck, you should buy a T6 ship at release so that you can use it for the maximum amount of its useful time, whatever that may be.
Oh I fully agree with that assessment. (Well almost, since we have only had T5 ships since level 40).
But saying that "it had to be done, just because we always did it like that" is simply not a valid explanation if you ask me.
If that were the case, Women wouldn have rights, people with dark skin pigmentation would not even be considered humans and we would all walk around without them little gadgets most of us have.
If there was a solid, documented argument for a specific reason other than "but we are raising the level cap", I might consider it, but I honestly beleive that this will heavily reduce ship sales (#1 income after Lockboxes, yes?) now and in the future... Cause who knows when all that money is wasted the next time?
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