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phased biomatter...is it worth it?

commanderefficommandereffi Member Posts: 33 Arc User
edited October 2014 in The Academy
I just came accross phased biomatter and decided to use it as a heavy dual cannon. I notice I have better dmg output on same level enemies. IS it worth converting all my weapons to it?

I just bought on the exchange 2 MK XI dual heavy cannons phased biomatter, and the dual beam bank mk XI is pretty cheap. What kind of build would this give me switching to this new weapon?
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  • calintane753calintane753 Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    About the build: I don't know, I'm not a DPS monster, sorry.
    About the phased biomatter: I've refitted my Federation ships with those weapons, and I'm happy. They are useful in the PvE, and far more predictable than the usual phasers.

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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The only way I suggest using it is for a ship that forces you into a Phaser build, like a Vesta, or Chimera. Otherwise, full Antiproton or full Romulan Plasma are the only builds I suggest.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    The only way I suggest using it is for a ship that forces you into a Phaser build, like a Vesta, or Chimera. Otherwise, full Antiproton or full Romulan Plasma are the only builds I suggest.

    Nonsense.

    Due to the prevalence of ResB shields, phaser encounters little in the way of player resists.

    The new CC weapon 2-set allows for a significant damage increase.

    Finally, the proc is very damage orientated, making it much more desirable in PvE than the system shutdown proc of the regular phasers.
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  • induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Nonsense.

    Due to the prevalence of ResB shields, phaser encounters little in the way of player resists.

    The new CC weapon 2-set allows for a significant damage increase.

    Finally, the proc is very damage orientated, making it much more desirable in PvE than the system shutdown proc of the regular phasers.

    And...

    It's a lovely shade of blue.
  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The Biomatter phasers gain nothing really in overall damage. But they sound and look very nice.


    They also benefit from the following synergy effects:


    2 Piece counter command with the console and heavy turret will yield you a bonus to phaser damage and an active ability that will give you spike dps.

    Being phasers, this has a synergy effect on the POINT DEFENSE CONSOLE from the first Akira Refit.

    In addition, The Federation Dreadnoughts PHASER lance also benefits from phaser buffs.

    It is the same for the VESTA deflector phaser beam, it also benefits from a phaser setup.



    Combine it with a 2 piece Dyson reputation set (particle stabilizer and gravimetric photon) and the torpedo point defense console (it counts as photons, so it benefits from the yson set) for:


    That will yield you 2 Short ranged area effect energy based attacks that are not tied to your weapons in the form of the Barrage from counter command and the point defense console.

    In addition you get a kinetic (always fun vs borg STf's) area of effect torpedo spam.


    You can use all this on a vesta and get the vesta's cheese abilities on top of it all, including the sustained phaser beam of face melting.

    On the Dreadnought x crusier you get the Spinal tap, er lance, to play with.



    So, biomatter phasers are worth it if you want to look and sound different. If you are ok with more standard phaser sounds, the undine rep phasers will serve you well.


    However, biomatter phasers come cheap from the exchange, undine phasers cost dilithum.


    Oh and if you want to pvp, this proposal here is for pve fun only.
  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    The only way I suggest using it is for a ship that forces you into a Phaser build, like a Vesta, or Chimera. Otherwise, full Antiproton or full Romulan Plasma are the only builds I suggest.

    Then, you probably dont have any idea at all if you only suggests antiproton or plasma. With the exception of tetryons and in minor grade phasers, ANY energy type is open to recommendation. Cant believe people still sticks to antiproton xD , in the belief they are the best energy type xDD. Polaron builds are awesome. Disruptor builds are amazing. Plasma bulids are great. Antiproton builds are, only GOOD if you have high critical chance. If not, you will notice that they almost sxxux in many situations. And thats it. Phaser builds are good, specially if you use a complete set, but the only problem about phasers is you need to maximize the damage yes or yes, to start noticing good performance. Its not like other energy types, that you can use even without consoles, and you will notice they work. Phasers in this case are more ridiculous, but still they are great.

    About phased biomatter i dont have a clue, its the first time i see that weapon type. But i dont see it around, so i dont think it is a really recommended build. You will be doing just fine using, as i said, any energy type except tetryon and maybe phasers if you dont have a 200% phaser build.
  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I would wait till x2, maby we will get then mk xiv's then.
  • coolheadalcoolheadal Member Posts: 1,253 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Wonder how phased biomatter (phaser type) would do as ground weapons.. I'll test them to see.. But comparing what I am using they don't have certain features. As ship weapons I do only use Anti-proton. I'll stand behind that weapon. I am not into phaser or plasma or anything else just Anti-proton. Like I had said everyone going to stand by his or her weapons favorites. The end results is what matters! ;)
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Phased Biomatter is blue? Hmm. Are not Undine phasers green?
  • kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    It is the same for the VESTA deflector phaser beam, it also benefits from a phaser setup.

    Actually that is impacted by your Aux levels not your consoles.
  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    kozar2 wrote: »
    Actually that is impacted by your Aux levels not your consoles.

    Aux levels powers the auxiliary phaser cannons power damage output (instead weapon power), but they dont increase damage. Consoles boost phaser damage same as any other energy type. Remember auxiliary phasers are still phasers. As i said, the only thing that changes is that you need to allocate power in your auxiliary systems to increase damage, not your weapons systems.

    And same as other similar abilities, i actually never think on it, but the phaser deflector beam is also boosted by phaser consoles (comes to my mind, for example, the bortasqu autocannon powered by disruptor consoles, or the guramba lance, same).
  • coolheadalcoolheadal Member Posts: 1,253 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Phased Biomatter is blue? Hmm. Are not Undine phasers green?

    For ship weapons should be blue for ground weapons they fire pulse burst. BIO one for 8472 are green.
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  • jornadojornado Member Posts: 918 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The effectiveness of the phased biomatter in builds designed to take advantage of them can be epic. Currently I run them in a Mobius with grav well and grav photons. Pop GW, hit CSV/TS, and you have a cloud of dust sitting in front of you. I know Azure is not a great measure of effectiveness, even though it does seem to harbor some of the poorest players I have ever seen, but using phased biomatter, any tholian group is completely vaped in significantly less than a single CSV cycle, many times everything but the recluse is gone before the first firing cycle ends, and well before the torpedos even arrive. Only Tarantulas survive to a second torp spread.

    If you can keep enemies tightly grouped and have some form of rapid AoE fire (even FAW works if you toss in GW, use it to great effect on the mirror heavy cruiser) the biomatter proc is basically one of the best possible for pure AoE DPS. Of course there are builds and occasions where disruptor/plasma/antiproton can be superior, but overall I'm loving the biomatters almost more than spiral waves, and almost as much as my standby polarized disruptors.

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  • cepinaricepinari Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I have absolutely nothing helpful to say. I got the game a few weeks ago and use Cruisers exclusively, so the closest thing to helpful I can say is 'pump skill points into anything that boosts energy and/or beam stats.'

    My brother uses Escorts though.
  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I have been mixing them in with standard phasers and all I can say is that in PvE, their proc is WAAAAAAAY more effective and useful than the standard phaser procs, which many NPCS have a fake resistance to.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I like 'em! Because they are pretty! Because they make a cool sound when you shoot them! Because sometimes they go "BOOM!" after they hit the target. The "BOOM!" looks like fireworks!
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  • kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    A bunch of stuff that was meaningless to the topic.

    We were discussing the Vesta's Quantum Field Focus Controller. Which is not impacted by weapon consoles but Aux power.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,321 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    kozar2 wrote: »
    We were discussing the Vesta's Quantum Field Focus Controller. Which is not impacted by weapon consoles but Aux power.

    Its impacted by both aux power and phaser DMG consoles.
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  • terlokiterloki Member Posts: 287 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    This may be a bit off-topic, but I'm gonna throw it out there anyway: Can we get a modified phaser type (like phased biomatter or biomolecular) that has a better than standard proc and actually looks like a phaser? Looking at all the weapon types, phaser is the only one that doesn't get a variant like that. Plasma gets Romuan plasma, disruptor gets polarized disruptor, polaron gets Dominion polaron, antiproton gets Voth antiproton, and tetryon gets phased tetryon. It's like the devs don't like the color orange or something.
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Don't like the color orange? Really? Then why make the Galaxy Spinal Lance phaser only, or the AUX-based weapons on the Vesta range (arguably the best Science ships in the game) phaser only? Oh, and the Fed Vet ship ... phaser weapon with the console.

    I think the devs love phasers ... possibly that's why there are not too many variants on them :P
  • terlokiterloki Member Posts: 287 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Don't like the color orange? Really? Then why make the Galaxy Spinal Lance phaser only, or the AUX-based weapons on the Vesta range (arguably the best Science ships in the game) phaser only? Oh, and the Fed Vet ship ... phaser weapon with the console.

    I think the devs love phasers ... possibly that's why there are not too many variants on them :P

    That logic seems a bit flawed to me considering that the above ships weapons are all Federation only. Y'know, the faction that uses phasers by default? I would assume it would be more work for only a limited reward on the devs' part to make those abilities available in multiple damage types anyway.
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Well, yeah. Story-wise, non-Feds don't use Phasers. ;)

    I recall reading somewhere that weapon color could be changed until CBS said "stop that". Maybe the devs have realized that phasers are not popular with the masses (proc and all), so it's "easier" to make new weapons (Phased Biomatter) instead of changing the actual phaser proc?

    Back on topic, Phased Biomatter *looks* neat, but 1K radius that is shared between 1-4 targets is kinda weak.
  • charlemangydogcharlemangydog Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    westx211 wrote: »
    Its impacted by both aux power and phaser DMG consoles.

    And particle generator skill :)
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I just came accross phased biomatter and decided to use it as a heavy dual cannon. I notice I have better dmg output on same level enemies. IS it worth converting all my weapons to it?

    I just bought on the exchange 2 MK XI dual heavy cannons phased biomatter, and the dual beam bank mk XI is pretty cheap. What kind of build would this give me switching to this new weapon?


    well, for sure the standard phaser's proc in pve is very very little usefull, the biomatter one is better since it can give you a bit more dps... However the difference is the proc, so it can have a little impact on your overral dps. What really impact your dps is weapon energy level, your distance from your target, how fast and good you move. your timing (es. activating CSV seconds before you really need it it's a waste) and of course your build.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Well, yeah. Story-wise, non-Feds don't use Phasers. ;)

    I recall reading somewhere that weapon color could be changed until CBS said "stop that". Maybe the devs have realized that phasers are not popular with the masses (proc and all), so it's "easier" to make new weapons (Phased Biomatter) instead of changing the actual phaser proc?

    Back on topic, Phased Biomatter *looks* neat, but 1K radius that is shared between 1-4 targets is kinda weak.

    I remember that. I was around for release and it was like that but not for long at all. It was there and next thing you know, not anymore. I don't think it was ever intentional even back then to change weapon colors. It was probably a legacy with development that still stuck with STO when it went live, then it got squashed very quickly.
    eurialo wrote: »
    well, for sure the standard phaser's proc in pve is very very little usefull, the biomatter one is better since it can give you a bit more dps... However the difference is the proc, so it can have a little impact on your overral dps. What really impact your dps is weapon energy level, your distance from your target, how fast and good you move. your timing (es. activating CSV seconds before you really need it it's a waste) and of course your build.

    To this day, I think the Phaser Proc is still potent in PVE as well as PVP, even though the duration on target is not as effective as it used to be.

    The reason is simple. Back in the day, almost every Fed in the game, to include even PVP'ers, were using Phasers. When you had multiple sources of Phaser fire hitting, the Proc was a guaranteed thing to occur quite soon. Shields dropping even momentarily was great, and in PVP, a potential killer when you consider how much fire is pouring in on a focused target.

    Fast forward, you'll be lucky to see a Fed ship with a Phaser focused build. Much less a traditional Phaser. So the strength of the original Phaser proc is lost and useless when there is no longer that volume of fire. Sure, the lockout is there, but with so much Phaser fire going, it was bound to happen soon enough. Not so anymore with so few traditional Phasers being used.
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  • tyrannyfighter22tyrannyfighter22 Member Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    reynoldsxd wrote: »
    The Biomatter phasers gain nothing really in overall damage. But they sound and look very nice.


    They also benefit from the following synergy effects:


    2 Piece counter command with the console and heavy turret will yield you a bonus to phaser damage and an active ability that will give you spike dps.

    Being phasers, this has a synergy effect on the POINT DEFENSE CONSOLE from the first Akira Refit.

    In addition, The Federation Dreadnoughts PHASER lance also benefits from phaser buffs.

    It is the same for the VESTA deflector phaser beam, it also benefits from a phaser setup.



    Combine it with a 2 piece Dyson reputation set (particle stabilizer and gravimetric photon) and the torpedo point defense console (it counts as photons, so it benefits from the yson set) for:


    Wait so your saying the biomatter phasers are counted as photon? So if im running the particle stabilizer and the gravimetric photon the set bonus from that works on the biomatter phasers as well? Or did you meean the torpedo point defense console counts as photons?
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Or did you meean the torpedo point defense console counts as photons?
    that's exactly what he meant, but the 2 piece dyson set still benefits phasers (or anything else, really), because of its 2 piece bonus granting +3% crit chance
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