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T5 upgrade mechanics: what do you think? -Redux!
riccardo171
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As for the tier 6 discussion - that's my bad. I was hammering at merging a lot of threads and wasn't paying attention where they were.
I guess we have the right of keeping the discussion going, about how these changes will affect PvP gameplay in STO.
To me, nothing different from Fleet ships. However, I hope they'll cost 500 Zen at most, and that ship bundles will have one click upgrade button that affects all the ships in the bundle, like Multi-Mission Explorers.
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F**k.
Cause the Box/Lobi ships are basically "on par" with the Fleet ships when it comes to hull/shields; but it's with the various layouts that they tend to pull ahead with the options they provide for optimization for PvP.
One of those, look at PvE and PvP...PvE tends to have a bunch of Fleet ships going there while PvP tends to have a bunch of Lock Box ships going there, eh?
So it will depend on that combination of BOFF seating/consoles/etc...along with how the SBOFF abilities work out...no? Cause with the ability to get the Starship Traits from other than the T6 boats, folks could still get them and run their Box/Lobi ships, etc, etc, etc.
Heh, it's that wait and see thing...what will be better - as folks start to play around and try to find the edge over one another.
I share this idea. Tempest for example has Cmdr, TWO Ltcmdrs, Lt slots. To add another ability on Tier 6 vessels, you need to go with two commanders, three lt cmdrs or an ensign.
However, due to the fact that only T6 ships will have the special ability, it's something that is tied to the design itself. Think it like the Ar'kif annhilation mode... just integrated and improved: because it is meant to do that.
I'm eager to see Specialist boff seatings though.
That info is likely a week or two or more out...will have to see what's on Smirk's blog list come Monday.
cryptic did it again. Money grabbers
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It really depends on the boff seating as has been said,but some of the information that we all know that hasn't been announced yet basically screams you will give us money to be competitive or gtfo.
Q: What actions give skill points to increase my Starship Mastery level?
A: Only defeating enemy starships will yield skill points for your Starship Mastery.
will that include enemy player starships in pvp?
so tier 5 ships need a $5 to $10 upgrade EACH to become almost half way tier 6, is this just all really an excuse to arbitrarily increase ship release prices by $5, $10, $15? im willing to bet i could complete ALL DR content in some old tier 3 ship if i felt like it, but thats not good enough for someone like me that pvps, i need to be running the best to be competitive there, i cant just blow off a whole new tier of ships if i want to keep playing.
im sure we can look forward to proper tier 6 ships costing a whole hell of a lot more then the $20 to $25 tier 5 ships cost now. now all your new releases can be just SO totally justified to cost $35 to $40! how do you sleep at night? this excitement at this new level of profits these suckers will provide you with, is what being evil feels like.
i just did a count of all my ships that wont get a free upgrade, if it costs $5 each for them, i will need to fork over $130. if $10, $260. how dare you?
tier 6 is the biggest scam ive ever seen in my life, i bet your chinese masters were wide eyed when you told them of this crime your about to perpetrate on your playerbase. and thats just to make what i currently payed for competitive again, but it wont be really, these ships miss out on a trait, and all the goodies this intelligence officer TRIBBLE afford them. there being any difference between tier 5U and tier 6 is yet another bankrupt decision. these tier 5U ships aren't even getting more station powers? cant turn that ENS into a LT station? cant turn an LT into an LTC somewhere? cant even be bothered to make this upgrade WORTH $5 can you.
id be willing to pay $1 for a tier 5U ship, no more. being a long time player, a lifetime subscriber since open beta, a buyer of the legacy pack, a supporter with my wallet since the beginning only earns me an insane amount of things i need to pay to upgrade, for no reason other then you want to double the cost of entry at your cash store, double how much you need to pay to enjoy the game at the level you did before DR. thats all DR really is, a desire for double profits. i really hope your greed here tanks the game once and for all. change course now, before your journey to the dark side is complete.
But as it stands, I won't invest anything in upgrading any ship to T5U. Though some probably will just to have that edge over their competitors in the short term. I may just dust off my Mobius though.
Also, with the ship mastery grind (who knows what that will be like, or if we could even call it a grind) it would behoove anyone to get a tier 6 ship early. That's assuming one would be maxed out by the time level 60 hits.
And then just wait for all the rage when they introduce fleet tier 6 ships...
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
did you count per character or per ship? Unlike fleet ships, t5-u is an account unlock.
If you have almost every T5 Fleet Ship and you play all three factions regularly, it adds up very quickly. Just ask Cryptic, they see nothing but those same dollar signs.
Oh I bet!!
I was just wondering how DDIS counted.
on a side note, I'm actually bummed that there's no upgrade for mirror ships
At $5 per ship he only needs 26 different ships to reach $130. If I had been playing since launch and had invested in all three factions I probably could find 26 ships in my inventory. Especially if Cryptic continues to think Fleet ships are another ship from their c-store version. Which does anyone know if they clarified that? With Cryptic I will assume the worse.
yeah that's my fear too. If I unlock a c-store ship to t5-u then decide to get the fleet version, do I need to unlock the fleet version to t5u also? That seems like it would be double charging me.
i got 1 fed, 1 rom, and 2 kdf that have no ship overlap intentionally, because why would i use the same ship on 2 different characters.
heres a list of all id have to pay to upgrade
fed
fleet avenger
fleet patrol refit
fleet heavy
fleet excelcior
fleet ambasidor
fleet galaxy
fleet akira
fleet MVAM
steamrunner
i'd want to upgrade all but the escorts i cant AtB, don't use them much because i don't have any AP doffs, if they were as easy to get as tech doffs, id use them and AtD on escorts a lot more then AtB.
kdf1
3x bortas
fleet ktinga
fleet kamarang
fleet vorcha
fleet negvar
fleet mogh
i guess i could get away with just the mogh. so many battlecruisers made lame by LTC eng
kdf2
fleet norgh
no braier here. this is were most my lockbox and cross faction ships are found
rom
fleet tvaro
fleet dhlean
fleet mogai
fleet d'deridex
fleet hap'pax
3x scimitar
would want to upgrade all but TRIBBLE'ax and the 2 lesser scimitar
26 isn't really a lot.
yep, they confirmed in the feedback thread that a Tier V C-store ship and a Tier V fleet ship are considered two separate ships. If you buy the Tier U Upgrade for the C-Store version, then it unlocks it for the C-Store version. However, the upgrade doesn't carry over to the fleet version if you buy that later on...you must buy it AGAIN.
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People want new skills... you release new skills for the first time in over 3 years... and your going to have the gull to say upgraded ships don't get those Bells and Noise makers. So your really saying if you want to enjoy new systems in the game your going to have to fly a new t6 ship. That is really the only choice. (and that doesn't just apply to 14 year old min maxers pvping... even PvE people are bored and want new things).
So here is my suggestion with that in mind.
SCRAP your current upgrade idea.
SCRAP the idea of selling T6 ships....
Instead sell the new ships as T5 (or even add the basic T5 versions as early mission rewards, the advertising is great)... then SELL the upgrades for the NEW mission reward T5s for what you where going to sell the T6s for.
So it would look like this...
LIST OF all lockbox ships right now... FREE upgrade to T5U stats (your current idea)... 200 Zen item cost to upgrade to T6. (yes including a new Bridge officer slot).
LIST of all the other upgradeable ships... Have 2 Upgrade costs... 1 200 zen item cost to upgrade to T5U... 2 x 200 zen item cost to upgrade to T5 (with the BOFF slot)
New T6 ships... if there a mission reward... charge the 2500 or 3000 zen for the upgrade to T6 from T5. If the ship stays in the Cstore...sell it for T5 price 2500... and then require a 200 zen item to upgrade it to T6.
This way everyone is happy. All ships can be fully or partially upgraded. There doesn't end up being 2 classes of Cstore end game ships. You guys still make a truck load of money and I bet most people would be happy with that.
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Not to worry, we are on the topic of PvP. I think every PvPer has the same complaint. We are all very unhappy over the fact that we must pay a pretty penny to stay viable in the Space PvP scene. Though personally I'm just glad Cryptic isn't doing much in the way of touching Ground PvP with Delta Rising. All we get is one trait slot and that is perfectly fine by me.
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Fed Tac
Fleet Defiant
Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier
Fleet Assault Cruiser
Fed Sci
Fleet Nova
Mirror Escort (placeholder)
Fleet Recon Sci
Fleet Nebula
Fed Engi
Plesh Brek
Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier
Risian Battle Liner (placeholder)
KDF Tac
Fleet B'rel
Fleet Somraw
Fleet Kamarag
Fleet Tor'Kaht
Mirror Vo'Quv (placeholder)
KDF Sci
Fleet B'rel
Chel Gret
Fleet Varanus
Fleet Vo'Quv
Rom Tac
Fleet T'varo
Fleet Dhelan
Fleet D'Deridex
Rom Sci
Fleet T'varo
Fleet Dhelan
Dyson Destroyer (1)
Obelisk (placeholder)
Not a lot of ships when you look at it like that, but $5 for each is $100-200 and that only gets half-T6 upgrade so not happening. Not replacing all of them either. What would kill PVP, well I think we found out.
I think I'm the only one that deviated there. So don't move it because of me. If it makes you feel better though... I suggest they don't make a handful of ships (the new T6) the only ones to have ALL the new toys. (new skills are huge to PvPers and yes even those of us that PvE as well).
I would HATE HATE HATE to see only teams consisting of 5-6 T6 ships for months on end. That is what is going to happen if they go ahead with this idea of T5U. Sure they have most of the stat "upgrades" (if EVERYONE upgrades which they will... and even the pve npcs upgrade which they will... what is it we are paying for again. Continuation?).
This system they have devised feels very much like the "insert quarter to continue" you used to see at the arcades from the real cheesy arcade cos that would let you play for X amount of time then require more quarters no matter how your doing in the game.
I would gladdly PAY to fully upgrade my lockbox ships... so I can use them in PvP. As it is upgrading them to T5U is stupid... why do that I should just buy a T6 should I not ? I mean if everyone else does I have to to stay current.
I am glad they have given us some free continuation options for ships that already costs us a good amount of $. That is nice of them. To me though the idea of not fully upgrading them and claiming its not required for the content feels more then a little bit deceitful. I would rather they just say... yes we will allow you to continue with your current ships for a small fee, and we will wave that fee for this list of Big Ticket Ships... however if you would like to get the full expansion Experience and see ALL the cool new things we have created. You will need to buy into a new class of starship.
At least that would be honest... and make me much more excited to see what they have cooked up. Instead Geko just downplayed all his teammates work... by calling it pointless bells and whistles. Really he just stated publicly that there work isn't really anything I need to buy. It was a great sales pitch.
Ok askray I'm sorry... I know I went on a bit of a rant there. I have tired to be polite and on PvP topic as much as I can. As you can tell though I am a little confused by Cryptics marketing... and by there direction. I am also sure a bit miffed, I'm sure it comes across. I don't have a problem giving them some more $ and grinding a bit I really don't, I just don't like being obviously lied to about it. I mean SELL your work, I can respect that.
Enjoy your ground PVP for a couple of months then be ready to buy the new ground traits that will come in the new delta x2 lockbox's....
For me it seems that it is a whole new trend that started with xindi lockbox.First there were some OP ships and some OP space and ground traits.If you wanted to remain competitive in PVP (ground or space) you had to buy the new traits because they were much better than the old reputations ones obtained from a year time grind.(btw another unfair thing in my opinion)
Coming back to xindi lockbox those great lockbox traits were nerfed hard, sorry "adjusted" after people bought them/gambled for them.I am thinking that will be the picture :new lockbox items (OP traits/OP ships/OP you name it) then after almost everybody bought them they will be "adjusted" hard to make room for the next lockbox and so on.
PVP-ing in Sto has become a much expensive endeavor as it was before season 8.5 and it will be much expensive in future I am afraid.
Personally for now I will probably "upgrade" just one ship and wait until the new T6 kdf raptor will be launched.If that ship will be nerfed from start compared to new fed T6 Defiant then I wont buy it and remain with what I already have.
PS: Actually some time ago, somebody told me that he does his PVP in other games and here it just plays for content as it is. In this moment I am thinking that it would be a possible solution for future because if you don't PVP in STO you don't need much and you can easily pass on grinding content like reputation or crafting,don't need to spend a dime on upgrading any ship,don't need to buy new T6 or other new expensive items that will shortly come in new delta lockboxes.
It is to early to take a decision for what I will be doing in near future but stopping to do PVP in Sto became an option for me. I could only play new episodes or new occasionally content that comes now and then and still have my Trek dream from time to time.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
Omg finally the return of the eng/cruiser to pvp.
Cmdr Eng
Lt cmdd eng
ens tac
ltt sc
ens eng x2
7 ens
3 sci
2 tac
DDIS i need your help with that. How many BP do i need to fit on that for it to even use it stations again?
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RU is all about doubling. doubling the power creep, doubling the grind because EVERY pieces of gear you use now would be considered vender trash at level 60, doubling the gap between developed and undeveloped characters, AND most of all doubling the cost of entry to enjoy the level of competitiveness you have right now. hope you like $40 tier 6 ships, only double what most tier 5 ships cost. it will totally be that much, add in a $5 fleet mod and a $5 tier 5U mod, and you still have something worse then a tier 6 ship!
please, someone, think of a single reason for all this post tier 5 TRIBBLE, other then doubling the cost of playing at the level you do now. how can any of you stand for this what so ever?