What ship fits in Star Trek? The Defiant did not look like a traditional Star Trek ship up to that point in time, yet there it was. The Voyager did not look like a traditional Star Trek ship up to that point in time, yet there it was. The Prometheus? You get the idea.
What "fits in Star Trek" changes based on the whims of CBS and the longevity of time.
Very much wrong.
The Defiant was an evolution of the Saucer-only design. Voyager was an evolution of the neckless design originated by the Sovereign-class, which was the post TNG-design linage. And the Prometheus was a further evolution of the Voyager prototype, which they added the fan favorite 4-nacelled design.
So yes, much more Star Trek than the Angled-Tron ship looks Cryptic has made. Which contradicts Federation designs in the future.
Because it doesn't look like it fits in Star Trek? :rolleyes:
Bet if you show that picture to anyone, they wouldn't immediately say Star Trek. But flash any picture of any of the Enterprises, they would respond Star Trek. Even the Star Trek fans at Las Vegas were in complete silence when they showed these pictures, instead of cheering and applauding.........because they were greatly disappointed.
You know this is a fact how, exactly? Did you ask every single person who attended the panel what they thought?
What ship fits in Star Trek? The Defiant did not look like a traditional Star Trek ship up to that point in time, yet there it was. The Voyager did not look like a traditional Star Trek ship up to that point in time, yet there it was. The Prometheus? You get the idea.
What "fits in Star Trek" changes based on the whims of CBS and the longevity of time.
The nacelles. It's the nacelles that make me vomit uncontrollably when looking at it. The saucer is fine. I can live with the Protoss pylon lodged into the front of it. I don't hate the apparent low profile or the unusual squared deflector. The sharpness is a change from the previously "modern" organic shapes but it suits Federation design.
I just don't understand those nacelles. Why are they ugly? Why are the Bussard collectors so broad? It's really not even the whole nacelle I have a problem with - everything from where the pylon joins the nacelle back looks decent. They're just too damn wide, and look too damn flat.
Which contradicts Federation designs in the future.
Not necessarily.
It does contradict the 2409 style of more organic shapes, but there's a pretty large period of time between the last seen Prime Universe ships and the earliest known future Federation ships. There's still something like 300 years between 2410 and the 29 century, plenty of time for design to evolve towards flat and organic together.
Consider how flat the cruiser in the OP looks. That could be the precursor factor to the Wells, not necessarily the angular part. Starships getting flatter, then growing curvy again later, ultimately resulting in the Wells, and 200 years later the Ent-J.
The Defiant was an evolution of the Saucer-only design. Voyager was an evolution of the neckless design originated by the Sovereign-class, which was the post TNG-design linage. And the Prometheus was a further evolution of the Voyager prototype, which they added the fan favorite 4-nacelled design.
So yes, much more Star Trek than the Angled-Tron ship looks Cryptic has made. Which contradicts Federation designs in the future.
You use the word "evolution." Think about what you are saying above. The Defiant was a new evolution - a non-traditional ship design added to the IP. The Defiant was a flying wedge when all saucers were round - clearly it was a new design. The Voyager was a new "evolution" in Trek designs. The Prometheus is a new "evolution" added to the IP, etc.
Those ships were intentionally designed within the IP to be new and different - to not fit the classic Connie/Excelsior/Galaxy mold. Maybe you cannot see this because it is 2 decades after the fact, but those ships were incredibly un-Trek when they were added to the IP. Heck, even the BoP looked completely different from anything we had ever seen from the KDF prior to that.
CBS and Paramount add to their IP. They do not sit around only looking backwards doing what has always been done like far too many of their fans.
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I don't mind evolution but my only concern is this cruiser just looks like it has combat in mind in terms of design.
I like a cruiser to look like it was designed with exploration in mind and still be able to stand up in a fight. Bigger, more space, windows, etc.
The Avenger is a great cruiser design with combat as its main focus. I like to see a little balance of the two.
The Soveriegn class is a great example and even the Odyssey while huge and bulky still looks sleek and ready for combat while being able to ferry diplomats and other crew for explorations.
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The Defiant was an evolution of the Saucer-only design. Voyager was an evolution of the neckless design originated by the Sovereign-class, which was the post TNG-design linage. And the Prometheus was a further evolution of the Voyager prototype, which they added the fan favorite 4-nacelled design.
So yes, much more Star Trek than the Angled-Tron ship looks Cryptic has made. Which contradicts Federation designs in the future.
This new ship, looks like it has four nacelles, and a Prometheus like saucer. It's a Tronetheus !
Wondering if it comes in a three pack, it's possible there may be other parts to mix in match, like the Science dreadnoughts, otherwise how would one ship cover all the careers?
I'll reserve my judgement while I await more details and angles.
Wondering if it comes in a three pack, it's possible there may be other parts to mix in match, like the Science dreadnoughts, otherwise how would one ship cover all the careers?
I have all the ships I want to use. Minus a couple from the Federation side. KDF I have all the Battlecruisers I want. Romulan I have all the ships they have as well that I want.
So I won't be using the new ship. I will stick with my current ones. Specially if they look like something to be hauled away as garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHu9PCpvSN8
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Just want to point out that it was mentioned that at the dev panel at STLV, there was a story element to explain why the federation ships look like that. You just have to give them time.
Anyway, I don't really care about the looks of the ship. I'd rather fly based on on how it performs.
Federation ships should look like Federation ships (not even the Enterprise-J or the Temporal ships are alien like this), and Klingon ships should feel Klingon. The only Tier 6 ship that looks the part is the Romulan Tier 6.
I don't know where you're getting that from. The Klingon raptor looks perfectly Klingon. Unless you don't consider the Vor'cha a Klingon ship? :P
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Just want to point out that it was mentioned that at the dev panel at STLV, there was a story element to explain why the federation ships look like that. You just have to give them time.
Which will probably be related to its Tier 6 special ability. Would be nice if more unique consoles or abilities have a visual effect on their ships instead of just the Odyssey and Bortasqu' with their fighters. The Galaxy-X doesn't even have a visual representation of its doomsday weapon besides a boring deflector. A doomsday weapon should look impressive even when not in use.
This new ship, looks like it has four nacelles, and a Prometheus like saucer. It's a Tronetheus !
Wondering if it comes in a three pack, it's possible there may be other parts to mix in match, like the Science dreadnoughts, otherwise how would one ship cover all the careers?
I'll reserve my judgement while I await more details and angles.
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You use the word "evolution." Think about what you are saying above. The Defiant was a new evolution - a non-traditional ship design added to the IP. The Defiant was a flying wedge when all saucers were round - clearly it was a new design. The Voyager was a new "evolution" in Trek designs. The Prometheus is a new "evolution" added to the IP, etc.
Those ships were intentionally designed within the IP to be new and different - to not fit the classic Connie/Excelsior/Galaxy mold. Maybe you cannot see this because it is 2 decades after the fact, but those ships were incredibly un-Trek when they were added to the IP. Heck, even the BoP looked completely different from anything we had ever seen from the KDF prior to that.
CBS and Paramount add to their IP. They do not sit around only looking backwards doing what has always been done like far too many of their fans.
Actually, the Defiant is just your standard Miranda style extended saucer design; with a deflector module and armoured nacelles attached directly. The only new thing about the basic design is the lack of spacing between components. It's stuff like armament that sets it apart from earlier vessels.
Out of the 3 ships I like the Fed the most.. its about time feds got a aggressive looking ship. To me it looks like what would happen if you took the JJ abrams Fed Warship design and just evolved it. I also like the romulan one.. but the KDF one..well looks the same as all there other designs.
I like the Tron meets F-117 look of the new ship, when I saw it I thought it looked very Starfleet. Looks are subjective, I personally don't like the look of any quad nacelles ships and was the only detractor of new ship for me.
I really hope our old ships stay on par with these new things. I really don't wanna give up my ambassador to fly that thing. Ever.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think it's awesome looking. To me the Avenger is one ugly POS...but I still fly it because it's an amazing ship.
I used to buy and choose ships based on how they looked, then I grew up.
idiot poster did not read? who was whining and crying about stuff being stolen? My primary post was saying " I hope my current ship stays viable"
tool.
You call me the idiot? Apparently you can't read what I said...or think about what I said. Means you steal everything anyone else has and you have the gall to complain just because one ship looks bad...well you know what...have you did the math?
They already said T5 will be upgraded to comparable to T6 and that's all anyone knows...search a little Einstein?
What was announced at the convention?
Feds - 2 ships, a new bridge, and a improved model for the Intrepid class
RR and KDF - 1 ship each
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Unsure if the description was as an escort (which is fine) or cruiser (less fine, but ok).
- The design is growing on me. It's 4-nacelles, and in a tight formation.
- Impulse is in a logical position.
- I love the shovel head style saucer, and the enlarged deflector.
I'd like to see it from a few different angles before I make my final verdict. If there ever is such a ting in games. The nacelles seem very, very thin. And the colorization/SFX looks more like it has an Aegis set installed, not sure I like that as standard FX.
I am all for new and more ship designs. And I love the kit-bash variations we have on many ships.
I get it, some people just want to play their favorite ship from the show. But I like to give a ship its own flavour. My character is not Pikard or CaptnKirk or whatever. My characters are new "heroes", and that demands also its own ship.
That doesn't mean this would be the one.
But I think it still looks Trek, because it has a Saucer and Nacelles. It just doesn't look like something from the TNG/DS9 era or earlier.
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that is one of the ships mentioned to be in the game, but confirmed? is anything with this team? best to wait until they say it is coming. from what i know of that "pos" you colorfully call it, is apart of a storyline reward or something like that. so again wait for the rumors to pass and the coming of an official answer.
If it's not on par with my Wells, then I don't want it.
Ugly is subjective. I think the Galaxy is one of the ugliest canon ships ever created. Other people worship it. To each their own. We do not all only like the same things.
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Very much wrong.
The Defiant was an evolution of the Saucer-only design. Voyager was an evolution of the neckless design originated by the Sovereign-class, which was the post TNG-design linage. And the Prometheus was a further evolution of the Voyager prototype, which they added the fan favorite 4-nacelled design.
So yes, much more Star Trek than the Angled-Tron ship looks Cryptic has made. Which contradicts Federation designs in the future.
Ahh, the Jupiter... *shivers*
Give me the Ambassador, or the Akira, or the Chimera.
Could not agree more.
Oh, I forgot you're Betazoid and sensed everyone was pleased with the news? :rolleyes:
And they just didn't clap for the remainder of the presentation, because they were so giddy with joy of the things to come? :P
I just don't understand those nacelles. Why are they ugly? Why are the Bussard collectors so broad? It's really not even the whole nacelle I have a problem with - everything from where the pylon joins the nacelle back looks decent. They're just too damn wide, and look too damn flat.
Not necessarily.
It does contradict the 2409 style of more organic shapes, but there's a pretty large period of time between the last seen Prime Universe ships and the earliest known future Federation ships. There's still something like 300 years between 2410 and the 29 century, plenty of time for design to evolve towards flat and organic together.
Consider how flat the cruiser in the OP looks. That could be the precursor factor to the Wells, not necessarily the angular part. Starships getting flatter, then growing curvy again later, ultimately resulting in the Wells, and 200 years later the Ent-J.
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Those ships were intentionally designed within the IP to be new and different - to not fit the classic Connie/Excelsior/Galaxy mold. Maybe you cannot see this because it is 2 decades after the fact, but those ships were incredibly un-Trek when they were added to the IP. Heck, even the BoP looked completely different from anything we had ever seen from the KDF prior to that.
CBS and Paramount add to their IP. They do not sit around only looking backwards doing what has always been done like far too many of their fans.
I like a cruiser to look like it was designed with exploration in mind and still be able to stand up in a fight. Bigger, more space, windows, etc.
The Avenger is a great cruiser design with combat as its main focus. I like to see a little balance of the two.
The Soveriegn class is a great example and even the Odyssey while huge and bulky still looks sleek and ready for combat while being able to ferry diplomats and other crew for explorations.
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This new ship, looks like it has four nacelles, and a Prometheus like saucer. It's a Tronetheus !
Wondering if it comes in a three pack, it's possible there may be other parts to mix in match, like the Science dreadnoughts, otherwise how would one ship cover all the careers?
I'll reserve my judgement while I await more details and angles.
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So I won't be using the new ship. I will stick with my current ones. Specially if they look like something to be hauled away as garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHu9PCpvSN8
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Anyway, I don't really care about the looks of the ship. I'd rather fly based on on how it performs.
Romulan and Kling looks okay.
Hoping to see better designs, they have 2 months to make some.
I don't know where you're getting that from. The Klingon raptor looks perfectly Klingon. Unless you don't consider the Vor'cha a Klingon ship? :P
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Which will probably be related to its Tier 6 special ability. Would be nice if more unique consoles or abilities have a visual effect on their ships instead of just the Odyssey and Bortasqu' with their fighters. The Galaxy-X doesn't even have a visual representation of its doomsday weapon besides a boring deflector. A doomsday weapon should look impressive even when not in use.
I just want to say, THAT is an awesome Avatar! :P:D:o
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Actually, the Defiant is just your standard Miranda style extended saucer design; with a deflector module and armoured nacelles attached directly. The only new thing about the basic design is the lack of spacing between components. It's stuff like armament that sets it apart from earlier vessels.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think it's awesome looking. To me the Avenger is one ugly POS...but I still fly it because it's an amazing ship.
I used to buy and choose ships based on how they looked, then I grew up.
You call me the idiot? Apparently you can't read what I said...or think about what I said. Means you steal everything anyone else has and you have the gall to complain just because one ship looks bad...well you know what...have you did the math?
They already said T5 will be upgraded to comparable to T6 and that's all anyone knows...search a little Einstein?
What was announced at the convention?
Feds - 2 ships, a new bridge, and a improved model for the Intrepid class
RR and KDF - 1 ship each
I'm giving the creators the benefit of the doubt, although my willingess to do that is already strainend b the brick that is the avenger.
btw:
Krenim Temporal incursionship plox?
- The design is growing on me. It's 4-nacelles, and in a tight formation.
- Impulse is in a logical position.
- I love the shovel head style saucer, and the enlarged deflector.
Something about that shovel head reminds me of the Dauntless
I am all for new and more ship designs. And I love the kit-bash variations we have on many ships.
I get it, some people just want to play their favorite ship from the show. But I like to give a ship its own flavour. My character is not Pikard or CaptnKirk or whatever. My characters are new "heroes", and that demands also its own ship.
That doesn't mean this would be the one.
But I think it still looks Trek, because it has a Saucer and Nacelles. It just doesn't look like something from the TNG/DS9 era or earlier.
If it's not on par with my Wells, then I don't want it.
:eek: Blasphemy!!! Heresy !!!! People got burned for saying something like this a few hundred years ago! :P