if it brings us together and new life into pvp again, I'm all up for it, regardless of the rules.
Some people wont like the idea of crippling themselves though (i.e. losing their crutches).
But id be happy to do the mirror ships, non lobi ships, Team mixing etc...
and Kerrock should be playing more with Lag, I must make this a law...lol
On a side note, why is askray mod hammering the pvp forums because "we dont play nice"....
Askray, simple answer, we are fed up of being ignored, a game we enjoy just keeps getting filled with particle effects that it cant handle (to which is now being addressed because their precious PVE is now being affected though its been affecting pvp for a while now), broken mechanics and ill-advised to say the least powers and items introduced every month.....i mean what dev thought it was perfectly acceptable to introduce conductive RCS consoles that give +92.5% flight turn rate? and these particle gens..... the team in charge of those items/powers must of had some bad gronola that day....
sorry to mention it in this thread but its relevant....ish
so we are bound to be a little cranky ....oh and un-ban edna...lol poor edna fighting the good pvp cause
With all the qq going on, I thought I'd get a productive thread going. Want to canvass opinions on the following potential tournament rules. Call it an experiment if you want to see what's more important. Balance, fun, or a bit of both?
What would you say to the following rules?
Only consoles allowed are the ones that came with the ship
All traits, DOFFs, Rep traits allowed
All weapons allowed
All starbase equipment allowed
All Ship sets allowed
No more than 2 of the same class of captain / ship allowed
No more than 1 Romulan allowed per team
No more than 2 members of the same fleet allowed in the same team (includes sister / affiliated fleets)
No lockbox ships
No lobi store items
We all cry for balance / more fun fights. Let's use this as a 1st test of potential many to give live examples of how to breathe new life into PvP
Sounds like an interesting idea to me. I am surprised it came from Pandas though, never recall seeing Pandas fighting without a lockbox or lobi ships. But if you want to change that, fine by me, I think it's a great idea to use strictly canon ships.
no lockbox/lobi ships combined with one rom per team suggests the kdf should just stay home then, a la FvF.
Seems to me, KDF doesn't have OP players then but rather pure P2W. I am willing to go as far as saying C-Stores ship should be excluded as well so that people can't use things like Vesta, Avenger and Scimitar. Given how cheesy the HOBOs are, I understand the fact you can only use uni console that comes with the ship to be a major constraint. I don't feel that way at all. At Federation Shipyards, I have been teaching people how to make good builds without anything that is P2W, perhaps it's time for HOBO to think outside of cheese and P2W?
Seems to me, KDF doesn't have OP players then but rather pure P2W. I am willing to go as far as saying C-Stores ship should be excluded as well so that people can't use things like Vesta, Avenger and Scimitar. Given how cheesy the HOBOs are, I understand the fact you can only use uni console that comes with the ship to be a major constraint. I don't feel that way at all. At Federation Shipyards, I have been teaching people how to make good builds without anything that is P2W, perhaps it's time for HOBO to think outside of cheese and P2W?
Seems to me, KDF doesn't have OP players then but rather pure P2W. I am willing to go as far as saying C-Stores ship should be excluded as well so that people can't use things like Vesta, Avenger and Scimitar. Given how cheesy the HOBOs are, I understand the fact you can only use uni console that comes with the ship to be a major constraint. I don't feel that way at all. At Federation Shipyards, I have been teaching people how to make good builds without anything that is P2W, perhaps it's time for HOBO to think outside of cheese and P2W?
which kdf ships do you propose people take into a pvp tourney?
PISH. were this scheduled on a different day (say, on hours I'm not at RL work making RL money)..
I don't even bloody OWN any non-klingon lockbox ships. (admittedly I'm not top-tier either as a player, but I run a Tor'kaht on my engie, Fleet Norgh on my oldest Tac, Hegh'ta almost everyone else except the sci who's got the B'rel or Vo'Quv for choices...)
and I've SEEN guys running Gorn sci-ships in both que matches and Ker'rat.
Not everyone needs a Non-faction/crossfaction lockbox ship or Romulan.
this is a proposed pvp tourney though, not a pug queue or a few rounds in kerrat.
bear in mind that the guy above wasnt merely suggesting the kdf not use lockbox ships, he feels we shouldnt even be allowed to use cstore ships.
The internal conversation we had about this (if the tourney actually happens) is it will only be fleet ships. The KDF Sci deficiency is an issue but if you were here in the past (before lockbox/lobi everywhere) there are quite viable KDF team builds, not centered around the wells palisade bug or xindi.
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Some people wont like the idea of crippling themselves though (i.e. losing their crutches).
But id be happy to do the mirror ships, non lobi ships, Team mixing etc...
and Kerrock should be playing more with Lag, I must make this a law...lol
On a side note, why is askray mod hammering the pvp forums because "we dont play nice"....
Askray, simple answer, we are fed up of being ignored, a game we enjoy just keeps getting filled with particle effects that it cant handle (to which is now being addressed because their precious PVE is now being affected though its been affecting pvp for a while now), broken mechanics and ill-advised to say the least powers and items introduced every month.....i mean what dev thought it was perfectly acceptable to introduce conductive RCS consoles that give +92.5% flight turn rate? and these particle gens..... the team in charge of those items/powers must of had some bad gronola that day....
sorry to mention it in this thread but its relevant....ish
so we are bound to be a little cranky ....oh and un-ban edna...lol poor edna fighting the good pvp cause
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Sounds like an interesting idea to me. I am surprised it came from Pandas though, never recall seeing Pandas fighting without a lockbox or lobi ships. But if you want to change that, fine by me, I think it's a great idea to use strictly canon ships.
Seems to me, KDF doesn't have OP players then but rather pure P2W. I am willing to go as far as saying C-Stores ship should be excluded as well so that people can't use things like Vesta, Avenger and Scimitar. Given how cheesy the HOBOs are, I understand the fact you can only use uni console that comes with the ship to be a major constraint. I don't feel that way at all. At Federation Shipyards, I have been teaching people how to make good builds without anything that is P2W, perhaps it's time for HOBO to think outside of cheese and P2W?
*cough* no hobo around, IT'S HOB *cough*
which kdf ships do you propose people take into a pvp tourney?
it seems very few people appreciate the distinction.
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Which ship do you think Minihax flies? If he doesn't PvP, then who does?
All the same to me, no offense intended.
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this is a proposed pvp tourney though, not a pug queue or a few rounds in kerrat.
bear in mind that the guy above wasnt merely suggesting the kdf not use lockbox ships, he feels we shouldnt even be allowed to use cstore ships.
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But any true KDF would simply rise to the challenge and have fun.
Regardless, I hope this happens. Eng/Sci KDF at the ready :P
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