Dude, stop. If you cant make the ship work doesnt mean that i can not make it work. Just move on. You are arguing the buff loadout is bad. Which has LITTERALLY nothing to do with what my Thread is about.... Please discuss the console... not your own issues with the ship... move on...
Told you already what I think of the console. It's more than fine. It's the only thing good that comes with the ship. You're ranting about "dying after it wears of, so let's change itf". More clear than that.
And the reason you're dying is about the ship being bad.
I think compared to the Quantum Focused Shield Bubble, the Ablative Armor Generator is too weak. But I don't think the option of 100 % uptime would be a good idea.
I also don't think that Science Vessels suffer al that much from "overspecialization". Science has the advantage of having a lot of good utility powers at low ranks (=Ensign) that do _not_ share cooldowns.
You basically will use the Lt.Cmdr and Cmdr slot for your main offense or crowd control ability.
The lower ones provide utility and healing.
You can double up on Hazard Emitters and Transfer Shield Strength and still have a spot for a Science Team or Tractor Beam. If you don't want to double up, you can still pick Polarize Hull or Tractor Beam for Ensign slots. You can even afford to use one of the Lt.Cmdr slots for a HE3 or TSS3.
This is very different from Engineering abilities. There are 4 Emergency Power abilities, that all have a shared system cooldown and their global cooldowns to worry about. And the only other power that's an option is Engineernig Team, and you probably want to use that power as high level power, not at the Ensign tier.
Tactical captains have a lot of shared cooldowns to deal with with their low tier option,plus these options are only useable if you equip the right weapons. Since you use either all cannoon builds, or a mostly cannon + 1 torp or beam builds, that eliminates a lot of possible combinations. And a lot of the buffs you could take are powers you probably want for your higher level slots.
For example, the typical DBB + 3 CRF + 3 Turrets build. You Want a BOL3, not a BOL1. You don't need mine patterns or torpedo buffs, and there is no Ensign level canon power.
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I think the Intrepids failure is that it only has that one, single console ability that seems weak compared to that of many later science-oriented ships. It has no Aux Phasers, no ability to use DHCs, no hangar bay, no cloak, no special attack modes, no special console sets.
If we want to "fix" the console... I don't know what to do exactly. What if it was actually like the Quantum Focused Shield Bubble? Damage reduction dependent on Aux power, with the possiblity of 100 % immunity? Nothing else. No duration or cooldown change.
Of course, that doesn't work so well with how it was shown on screen. There it seems to imply it has limited hit points. I believe the Singularity Powers and the new Dyson Sphere ships have powers that work along those lines. Maybe one can re-use those abilities?
A minimum QOL change would be to remove the activation time.
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Told you already what I think of the console. It's more than fine. It's the only thing good that comes with the ship. You're ranting about "dying after it wears of, so let's change itf". More clear than that.
And the reason you're dying is about the ship being bad.
Perhaps I spoke too soon again, the console as it stands is like RSP, a last ditch effort to keep you alive while you cool down a few things to keep you alive. It is nothing like what it was in the series, or does it even function in a true PvP sense, you however are a bad sci captain. I recently for the hilarity of it. Took an Intrepid and still get kills and pull high dps in STFs. It is a bit easier to kill then my Wells, for sure. But I think you have issue of it not being what you want. Move on and QQ about buffs in a thread ment for that.
I think compared to the Quantum Focused Shield Bubble, the Ablative Armor Generator is too weak. But I don't think the option of 100 % uptime would be a good idea.
I disagree, i think you are also evaluating the ship from a standpoint of making it work without the console. But i think that the console can be defeated in enough ways that it is drastically underpowered compaired to any of the other Lock Box options. I also think the ship would keep a very unique play style if it could change modes like the dyson ships.
Example Activate Ablative Armor Mode.
Give +900 all damage resistance rating.
Disable Beam Weapons.
Disable shields.
Disable the Lt Tactical slot.
Reduce power to Auxilary System to 50 maximum. (To prevent high damage from TBR only builds)
Reduce effectiveness of heals by 50%.
Then the ship would be able to augment its self to a only supporting role. The armor once broken down reverts the ship back to normal. But it also reduces the effectiveness of the ship in general combat. So to make it good, you would have to be creative.
Perhaps I spoke too soon again, the console as it stands is like RSP, a last ditch effort to keep you alive while you cool down a few things to keep you alive. It is nothing like what it was in the series, or does it even function in a true PvP sense, you however are a bad sci captain. I recently for the hilarity of it. Took an Intrepid and still get kills and pull high dps in STFs. It is a bit easier to kill then my Wells, for sure. But I think you have issue of it not being what you want. Move on and QQ about buffs in a thread ment for that.
Ok seriously, you are not constructive here, im asking you to leave 1 last time before i got point you out to a forum mod. You are not helping in any way. Nor did you provide any feed back other then, "your stupid" "you cant fly sci ships" "you are QQing". Go away. Last warning. You are flaming in a lame attempt to troll. Im sorry that we cant get along. But clearly we cant.
Ok seriously, you are not constructive here, im asking you to leave 1 last time before i got point you out to a forum mod. You are not helping in any way. Nor did you provide any feed back other then, "your stupid" "you cant fly sci ships" "you are QQing". Go away. Last warning. You are flaming in a lame attempt to troll. Im sorry that we cant get along. But clearly we cant.
Flaming? I told you what I think of the console in three different occasions. It's fine for me, it doesn't need to be modified in any way. Maaaybe just the fact that in the two seconds of activation shields fall and it gets pretty suicidal. I'd address only that.
Flaming? I told you what I think of the console in three different occasions. It's fine for me, it doesn't need to be modified in any way. Maaaybe just the fact that in the two seconds of activation shields fall and it gets pretty suicidal. I'd address only that.
Leave... now... not playing your game. You made it clear you dont like my idea. Why are you still here still insulting me. Your opening post was just ment to call me bad at this game. This is the Forums, not Ker'rat. Leave now. your input is recieved, you have nothing further to contribute. Even now you have to get the "last word" so i am sure you plan to insult me or my ideas atleast one more time... Perhaps even say I am QQing. But you are needlessly bumping this thread and just filling it with your Anti-Me banter.
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A) People are allowed to state their opinions as long as they aren't attacking other people in the process, or violating some other forum rule.
Debating an idea is not the same as attacking a person. If the debate is respectful, it's less likely to offend. But if defending an idea is somehow offensive, this is probably not the right place to share your idea.
C) If a post offends you, the rules say you're supposed to report that post and not reply to it. If the other party is indeed trolling, a reply just makes it worse.
D) If this thread turns into yet another forum disturbance because the principles I am talking about are not followed, it will very likely be closed.
Very well, i see your point. But i try to find ways to warn people they are crossing a line before they need to have a post edited or be warned off by you. I am sorry you are here. But then again PvP is a competetive area where Egos are involved. So i am sure this is more then common. But still feels like being yelled at by a teacher in school.... :P
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Told you already what I think of the console. It's more than fine. It's the only thing good that comes with the ship. You're ranting about "dying after it wears of, so let's change itf". More clear than that.
And the reason you're dying is about the ship being bad.
I also don't think that Science Vessels suffer al that much from "overspecialization". Science has the advantage of having a lot of good utility powers at low ranks (=Ensign) that do _not_ share cooldowns.
You basically will use the Lt.Cmdr and Cmdr slot for your main offense or crowd control ability.
The lower ones provide utility and healing.
You can double up on Hazard Emitters and Transfer Shield Strength and still have a spot for a Science Team or Tractor Beam. If you don't want to double up, you can still pick Polarize Hull or Tractor Beam for Ensign slots. You can even afford to use one of the Lt.Cmdr slots for a HE3 or TSS3.
This is very different from Engineering abilities. There are 4 Emergency Power abilities, that all have a shared system cooldown and their global cooldowns to worry about. And the only other power that's an option is Engineernig Team, and you probably want to use that power as high level power, not at the Ensign tier.
Tactical captains have a lot of shared cooldowns to deal with with their low tier option,plus these options are only useable if you equip the right weapons. Since you use either all cannoon builds, or a mostly cannon + 1 torp or beam builds, that eliminates a lot of possible combinations. And a lot of the buffs you could take are powers you probably want for your higher level slots.
For example, the typical DBB + 3 CRF + 3 Turrets build. You Want a BOL3, not a BOL1. You don't need mine patterns or torpedo buffs, and there is no Ensign level canon power.
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I think the Intrepids failure is that it only has that one, single console ability that seems weak compared to that of many later science-oriented ships. It has no Aux Phasers, no ability to use DHCs, no hangar bay, no cloak, no special attack modes, no special console sets.
If we want to "fix" the console... I don't know what to do exactly. What if it was actually like the Quantum Focused Shield Bubble? Damage reduction dependent on Aux power, with the possiblity of 100 % immunity? Nothing else. No duration or cooldown change.
Of course, that doesn't work so well with how it was shown on screen. There it seems to imply it has limited hit points. I believe the Singularity Powers and the new Dyson Sphere ships have powers that work along those lines. Maybe one can re-use those abilities?
A minimum QOL change would be to remove the activation time.
Perhaps I spoke too soon again, the console as it stands is like RSP, a last ditch effort to keep you alive while you cool down a few things to keep you alive. It is nothing like what it was in the series, or does it even function in a true PvP sense, you however are a bad sci captain. I recently for the hilarity of it. Took an Intrepid and still get kills and pull high dps in STFs. It is a bit easier to kill then my Wells, for sure. But I think you have issue of it not being what you want. Move on and QQ about buffs in a thread ment for that.
I disagree, i think you are also evaluating the ship from a standpoint of making it work without the console. But i think that the console can be defeated in enough ways that it is drastically underpowered compaired to any of the other Lock Box options. I also think the ship would keep a very unique play style if it could change modes like the dyson ships.
Example Activate Ablative Armor Mode.
Give +900 all damage resistance rating.
Disable Beam Weapons.
Disable shields.
Disable the Lt Tactical slot.
Reduce power to Auxilary System to 50 maximum. (To prevent high damage from TBR only builds)
Reduce effectiveness of heals by 50%.
Then the ship would be able to augment its self to a only supporting role. The armor once broken down reverts the ship back to normal. But it also reduces the effectiveness of the ship in general combat. So to make it good, you would have to be creative.
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Ok seriously, you are not constructive here, im asking you to leave 1 last time before i got point you out to a forum mod. You are not helping in any way. Nor did you provide any feed back other then, "your stupid" "you cant fly sci ships" "you are QQing". Go away. Last warning. You are flaming in a lame attempt to troll. Im sorry that we cant get along. But clearly we cant.
Flaming? I told you what I think of the console in three different occasions. It's fine for me, it doesn't need to be modified in any way. Maaaybe just the fact that in the two seconds of activation shields fall and it gets pretty suicidal. I'd address only that.
Leave... now... not playing your game. You made it clear you dont like my idea. Why are you still here still insulting me. Your opening post was just ment to call me bad at this game. This is the Forums, not Ker'rat. Leave now. your input is recieved, you have nothing further to contribute. Even now you have to get the "last word" so i am sure you plan to insult me or my ideas atleast one more time... Perhaps even say I am QQing. But you are needlessly bumping this thread and just filling it with your Anti-Me banter.
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C) If a post offends you, the rules say you're supposed to report that post and not reply to it. If the other party is indeed trolling, a reply just makes it worse.
D) If this thread turns into yet another forum disturbance because the principles I am talking about are not followed, it will very likely be closed.
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Very well, i see your point. But i try to find ways to warn people they are crossing a line before they need to have a post edited or be warned off by you. I am sorry you are here. But then again PvP is a competetive area where Egos are involved. So i am sure this is more then common. But still feels like being yelled at by a teacher in school.... :P