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Ocampa and Kazon
aikuchii
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There is a part of me that is apprehensive about the Ocampa and Kazon being in Delta Rising.
The Ocampa weren't even a space fairing species, with very little industrial base because everything had been provided for them, so unless they got a huge knowledge dump from the Caretaker before he died(or maybe the other one came back ) I don't see what use they could be.
The Kazon I am even more leery about. In Voyager the Kazon were pretty week compared to Starfleet. A Kazon Raider was nothing to Voyager, and even there big Kazon Predators were no match for a Starfleet light cruiser. It took a surprise attack with eight Predators, in witch Voyager was able to divided and took on four directly and even destroyed one, for them to be any real threat.
So I fear that I am supposed to believe that that these primitive Kazon are going to pose a threat to my T5 (not to mention T6) ship. My Miranda who was taking on Borg vessels over Vega could blow through these guys. The Kazon would be so out classed buy any Alpha Quadrant species whose vessel are outfitted with the latest most advanced technology, equipped to take on the Borg, Undine, Tholians. And lets not for get the techno boost from the Dyson Sphere. Any way I look at it there is now way even after 40 year that the Kazon could be anything but a low level species.
The Ocampa weren't even a space fairing species, with very little industrial base because everything had been provided for them, so unless they got a huge knowledge dump from the Caretaker before he died(or maybe the other one came back ) I don't see what use they could be.
The Kazon I am even more leery about. In Voyager the Kazon were pretty week compared to Starfleet. A Kazon Raider was nothing to Voyager, and even there big Kazon Predators were no match for a Starfleet light cruiser. It took a surprise attack with eight Predators, in witch Voyager was able to divided and took on four directly and even destroyed one, for them to be any real threat.
So I fear that I am supposed to believe that that these primitive Kazon are going to pose a threat to my T5 (not to mention T6) ship. My Miranda who was taking on Borg vessels over Vega could blow through these guys. The Kazon would be so out classed buy any Alpha Quadrant species whose vessel are outfitted with the latest most advanced technology, equipped to take on the Borg, Undine, Tholians. And lets not for get the techno boost from the Dyson Sphere. Any way I look at it there is now way even after 40 year that the Kazon could be anything but a low level species.
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That should tell you something right there.
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@oldravenman3025 I forgot Seven mentioning something like that, well done. +1
Yeah, the Ocampa that lived with Suspiria. We never found out what became of her and them. Perhaps with the Caretaker dead, she went back and decided to take care of the Ocampa.
Also, recall that Kes went back with her ship and evolved powers to be with her people on Ocampa at the end of "Fury". Her ship, knowledge, and abilities could have advanced her people out of their underground world.
As for the Kayzon they are scavengers who will utilise many technologies they stumble across hence wanting Voyager, but when Voyager left the Quadrant they were nice enough to blow a great big Borg Transwarp Hub City Complex into the middle of next week leaving so much advanced high technology (and data chips full of info on it) drifting in space it was just ripe for the taking. The proliferation of Borg related technologies in the Delta Quadrant will make it entirely different to when Voyager was there. The Kayzon may not be able to make the stuff but they can certainly adapt to it pretty well.
Mind you with the number of super confused borg ships running around they may have needed to get the technology quick as the Borg try and rebuild a new Hive mind in their new localised very Isolated quadrant.
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the ocampa from what i understand were advanced beyond spaceships in that their mental abilities were so substantial they probably didnt need spaceships, but then the caretaker race, the nacene came along about 500 years before hand and accidentally turned the planet into tatooine :P. the male, the caretaker stayed behind to care for the ocampa and eventually they lost the will to live outside their new protector, driven under the ground, fed constant power from the station light years away. they were very fast learners and if kes and a few others were anything to go by, the advanced technology didnt really faze them to be irresponsible.
the kazon are just territorial brutes that were victimized and brutalized for years, tormented by the trabe in that time, they both once lived in peace but the trabe basically turned on them and conquered them since. eventually the kazon became so hateful, so distrustful of uniformed trabe that every other race with a military as far as they are concerned are just "uniforms" who would see the kazon dead or betrayed. the kazon stole the trabe technology about 25 years before voyager landed in the soup and the tables turned on the trabe, the kazon got their freedom and setup their own order, a very flimsy coalition of each sect, but they all fight each other for territory and resources between other things, then the trabe used and betrayed the kazon and voyager, this left the kazon even more bitter about the trabe and the uniforms believing again they were betrayed, setup to be assassinated.
as far as kazon being a threat, they were a considerable threat to voyager, a shuttle sized raider was not much of an issue but deadly to a federation shuttle, the standard raider could take a few hits but can really damage voyager if left unchecked. so a group of 3 or 4, voyager ran for it them face such odds. as for the carriers, even 1 was too much for voyager and the crew knew it, thats why the holo tech and sensor decoys were used, because they didnt stand much chance without these advantages to draw fire and ships out of position. voyager wasnt a match to a carrier up front at all, it was haplessly outmatched, it only took the efforts of the val jean to destroy the first one and after that, it was lucky to take 1 or 2 more out even with the decoys. kazon/trabe tech is on par with starfleet no doubt about it at the time.
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the ocampa were taken by the female nacene lifeform to another station to learn about themselves and their powers, kes knew of these people leaving the planet, however after the defeat by janeway, the female nacene disappeared from the physical realm, not sure what happened to the ocampa on the station at that point.
the kazon were so far from the transwarp hub that even with its destruction it would of taken them over 20 years to reach that debris. and the borg were not destroyed, they simply had to take care of the pathogen, isolate and destroy it, reconnect themselves, rebuild. thats not to mention the other transwarp hubs and the thousands of tac/cubes, spheres and interceptors that still floating around
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
THIS.
Even at first, when the Borg started to assimilate starfleet ships i was amazed.. i thought they will consider starfleet technology not worty to assimilate.. but i was wrong. Imagine the kazon, far beyone the starfleet tech level.. the Borg will never even pay attention to em lol. I always hated the kazon and they should be in the next expansion just as a curiosity, nothing more. But im afraid cryptic as always will do things on their own. Cryptic like the kazon.. so expect the kazon as a member of the "main" species of the next expansion.. :eek::(
the ship tech the borg wouldnt mind.. that is if there were trabe on it. but because the borg saw the kazon as inferior, they went unnoticed. its usually the small and quiet ones you should pay attention to but most rarely do not see it and dont expect whats to come next.
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Here are a few ways they may use the kazon and not be as bad as people assume.
1 - They stole shield technology and can now defend themselves better. (I recall something about Kazon ships lack shields.)
2 - They are a threat to other species in the quadrant so you will see them mostly as antagonists alla the orions in rescue the Azure.
3 - okay I don't have a 3. . .
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
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I agree with everything you said. The Kazon were downright pathetic. And the Ocampa? Like you said, they weren't even a space-faring race yet.
Bumping both species to the level of the Alpha Quadrant species would seriously break canon.
And the Kazon, did I mention they are pathetic?
..and it's been, what, forty years since that happened? I don't see the issue.
They would get blown back to the stone age so fast if they tried anything.
And then, when they finally arrive at that Borg Hub,
BORG: "We are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be a... oh, nevermind." :P
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
The Kazon may be inferior, but some time has passed, things could have changed, and even if not, they could still be a local group of power. Just because you can blow your ships out of the sky doesn't mean you can just go around and conquer the planets they control, and if they are still hostile, they could still be a threat to freight routes and colonies. (There was a race in TNG that did manage to destroy a Federation colony and kill every living being there, despite their ships being vastly inferior, armed with laser-equivalent weapons and merculite missiles that pose no threat to a Galaxy Class ship.)
No species can handle the hero ship. Just ask Trelane or Apollo.
kazon/trabe tech was comparable with starfleets at the time, i cant see any reason why they would limit themselves from their enemies in that time, they should remain on par with starfleet.
ocampa dont even have ships, but if they did, it would likely be small transports and frigates at best, mostly for self defense.
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The Borg wouldn't assimilate them because they didn't know how to handle those whacky hairstyles. They were so wild, they couldn't be assimilated.
Maybe the queen was just too envious and couldn't stand looking at drones with impressive hair as theirs.
Ferengi.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
ferengi are a danger to themselves and everyone else with weapons on their ships, a common problem
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I wouldn't say that by any stretch they were a match for Starfleet, it took four of their large ships just to capture one Intrepid class. A feat that was only possible in the first place because Seska was using her knowledge to level the playing field by telling the Kazon ships where to shoot so Voyager couldn't just Janeway Pi.
Plus their ships lacked basic systems like replicators and transporters, something that has been a standard of Alpha Quadrant vessels for a very long time, that puts them way behind the tech race.
unfortunately your overlooking facts in the process, voyager was haplessly outmatched by one of these carriers, if it wasnt for chakotay and his ship the val jean and its kamikaze attempt, voyager would of been destroyed no doubt about it. and that other incident was with decoys, sensors and holographic alike to pull the kazon out of position. chakotay said it best "Besides, out here in the Delta Quadrant every old trick is new again.". voyager got lucky on a few occasions, being a plot device of course :P.
the opinion still stands unless you got something better.
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