What happened to 'Metric Ton'?

ussintercept

Supposedly they were working on a LOT of T6 ships. Now D'Angelo lets slip that theres only 7-10 ships..Thats somewhere between 2-3 ships per faction. And probably a fourth for the Feds.

I honestly dont see how that is a lot of ships. Unless they were referring to ships they havent begun work on.

starkaos

Obviously he was referring to npc ships since they are bringing a bunch of npc factions to the game with Expansion 2 and each faction needs to have some ship classes available. Would be interesting to see if Ocampans actually have their own starship designs instead of relying on Talaxians for transportation.

mirrorchaos

im aware there are at least 7 ships coming and from what i read about it, it will be the first lot most likely because i cant see how they can not develop a few more and it is another source of income.

Developing starships takes a lot of dev effort, so Delta Rising is going to include between 7 and 10 new Tier 6 ships at launch, spanning all three factions. This is nowhere near enough breadth in starships to satisfy the player demand, and we know our players love the ships they are already flying.

- (Source).

nynik

Quality of mechanics and loadouts vs quantity of same-old same-old?

scififan78

mirrorchaos got the quote I was going for but to highlight a particular part is this.

Developing starships takes a lot of dev effort, so Delta Rising is going to include between 7 and 10 new Tier 6 ships at launch, spanning all three factions.

That means 7 to 10 new ships to start out with more on the way.

vestereng

Probably they were thinking about new npc ships and upgraded old versions, meaning all already existing ships that needed testing.

"Working on" can mean anything from updating the tooltip to saving a loadout.


Personally I do not want to fly un-official fake star trek ships, then I might aswell play any other space mmo, so it doesn't really matter how many un-official ships they plan on making.

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wildweasal

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Personally I do not want to fly un-official fake star trek ships, then I might aswell play any other space mmo, so it doesn't really matter how many un-official ships they plan on making.[/QUOTE]

well im glad we ALL dont have that sentiment ...so ok have fun with that "other space MMO" buh bye you are dismissed

vestereng

wildweasal wrote: »

well im glad we ALL dont have that sentiment ...so ok have fun with that "other space MMO" buh bye you are dismissed

The royal "we" ? Or you mean "we people" who cant handle anything negative being said, or "we people" trying to work up to forum mod?



But yeah thanks it would have been a lot easier if the developers had released the t6 info a week ago.

Instead they had this great plan to make people stop playing for 2 months to wait and see if we are quitting or not.

So guess what the forums are going to be like until then believe me Id rather be playing

Another genius decision on their part am I right

thutmosis85

"Metric Ton of Ships" = soon ... right after Terradome Revamp, Exploration Revamp, PVP Revamp, Secondary Deflectors, Club 47, DS9 Under Siege Revamp ...

szerontzur

patrickngo wrote: »

7-to-10?

Okay...so...

Figure 3 Federation ships, 3 Romulan ships, 1 KDF, based on Cryptic's typical pattern.

and of course, 3 Lockbox ships.

My guess is:
Fed cruiser and escort we saw, along with an escort-wannabe science ship.
Romulan Kumari-with-Singularity&BattleCloak in the form of the concept art we saw and another escort-wannabe science ship.
Klingons get their Kumari-raptor and the long-rumored Super-Neghvar.

farmallm

When that statement was made. If I'm right it was earlier this year. Since then we got a lot of new ships. With the Dyson ships, new fleet ships, new c store ships, new mirror ships, new lobi box/store ships, and now Delta ships.

mustrumridcully0

Well, a metric ton is not that much for a ship.

A modern naval Frigate like the Bremen class has a displacement of 3.680 t.
So 6-10 ships are way more than could be expected.

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artan42

Maybe they realised a metric ton is spelt tonne not ton.

duncanidaho11

vestereng wrote: »

Personally I do not want to fly un-official fake star trek ships, then I might aswell play any other space mmo, so it doesn't really matter how many un-official ships they plan on making.

So don't. As cryptic keeps trying to stress T5 ships will still be competitive with T6. If you want to keep on using your Excelsior class in 2410 then by all means do.

anazonda

A metric ton is not much... Most medium and above sized cars weigh more than a metric ton... Not sure why anyone would be surprised.

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stostargatewars

They are most likely counting the upgraded T5 ships when they were saying metric ton of ships coming in delta rising.

ashkrik23

vestereng wrote: »

Probably they were thinking about new npc ships and upgraded old versions, meaning all already existing ships that needed testing.

"Working on" can mean anything from updating the tooltip to saving a loadout.


Personally I do not want to fly un-official fake star trek ships, then I might aswell play any other space mmo, so it doesn't really matter how many un-official ships they plan on making.

You do realize that eventually they will be out of canon ships to add? After that, there has to be cryptic-designed.

orangeitis

ussintercept wrote: »

Supposedly they were working on a LOT of T6 ships. Now D'Angelo lets slip that theres only 7-10 ships..Thats somewhere between 2-3 ships per faction. And probably a fourth for the Feds.

I honestly dont see how that is a lot of ships. Unless they were referring to ships they havent begun work on.

Nah, it wasn't specifically T6 ships, it was ships in general.

omegaphallic

People assume they're only talking about tier 6 ships. I'll point out they've also said somewhere about a Fleet Grumba, so who knows how many new fleet ships as well, plus new Lockbox ships, Mirror Verison ships will probably be at least 3, shuttles are a possiblity (I hope for an Orion Slaver and or Orion Interceptor).

So to sum up, 7-10 tier 6 ships (likely to be ten, but 3 might be delayed), who knows how many Fleet ships, 2 Lockbox Ships, at least 3 Mirror Universe Ships, Possible Shuttles, and depending upon if t5 upgrading works, a countless amount of Quasi Tier Six ships. Quasi Tier Six is what I have decided to call t5 ships that have been upgraded to compete with T6 ships for now.

lordfuzun

ussintercept wrote: »

Supposedly they were working on a LOT of T6 ships. Now D'Angelo lets slip that theres only 7-10 ships..Thats somewhere between 2-3 ships per faction. And probably a fourth for the Feds.

I honestly dont see how that is a lot of ships. Unless they were referring to ships they havent begun work on.

Considering they usually release ships a few at a time, Cryptic releasing 7-10 separate ships at the same time could be considered a metric ton. (Note: I don't consider the ships C-Store ship set a 3 new ships. They are just subtle variants from a base ship.)

kjwashington

lordfuzun wrote: »

Considering they usually release ships a few at a time, Cryptic releasing 7-10 separate ships at the same time could be considered a metric ton. (Note: I don't consider the ships C-Store ship set a 3 new ships. They are just subtle variants from a base ship.)

Well first off, this.^^^^

Also, I'm pretty sure that the "metric ton" of ships quote is from early this year (I think January), and meant to span the whole year. Since then, we've had:

3 Dyson Science Destroyers (one for each faction)
1 Tempest Class (I'm not sure if this was before or after the "metric ton" comment)
2 Undine ships (they also revamped some of the npc ships, but I won't count that.)
7-10 probably faction specific ships with DR.
Many new npc ships that they had to design from the ground up for DR, some of which might end up being playable.

Total: 13-16 playable ships (possibly more), and probably at least a dozen new npc ships. For Cryptic this is a metric ton.

azurianstar

ashkrik23 wrote: »

You do realize that eventually they will be out of canon ships to add? After that, there has to be cryptic-designed.

Given what we seen of those Tier 6 ships, I rather they finish the canonical ships - even the kitbashes and the hidden ones (like the Excelsior prototypes). Because Cryptic's designs surely are further and further away from that Star Trek feeling.

Show those Delta Federation and Klingon ships to any Star Trek fan, they will immediately say "what is that"?

exa12

I dont remember PLAYABLE ships
I vaguely remember something about 300 ships but i can't remember context

but there are going to be a hell of a lot of new ones

at least:
Fighter
Frigate
Destroyer
Cruiser
Dread
+ possibly
Shuttle
Carrier

for each of
Kazon
Hazari
Kobali
Hierarchy
Talaxian
Benthan
+ whoever else is added
if they inclued Krenim space thats another 4 factions right off the bat, all of whom will need new ships

mirrorchaos

sophlogimo wrote: »

7-10 is a lot of ships. Models, consoles, game mechanics, all that must be an enormous amount of work.


Just imagine each ship masses at least 100 kg, and you have your metric ton. :P

thats on top of of designing whole new sectors, new areas to visit, npcs , their models, clothing, interactions, npc ship classes that could range from a dozen to two dozen or more.

duncanidaho11

kjwashington wrote: »

Well first off, this.^^^^

Also, I'm pretty sure that the "metric ton" of ships quote is from early this year (I think January), and meant to span the whole year. Since then, we've had:

3 Dyson Science Destroyers (one for each faction)
1 Tempest Class (I'm not sure if this was before or after the "metric ton" comment)
2 Undine ships (they also revamped some of the npc ships, but I won't count that.)
7-10 probably faction specific ships with DR.
Many new npc ships that they had to design from the ground up for DR, some of which might end up being playable.

Total: 13-16 playable ships (possibly more), and probably at least a dozen new npc ships. For Cryptic this is a metric ton.

Also 2 Xindi ships and the Risan Cruiser. You can also bet on another Breen ship for the Winter event.

aloishammer

ussintercept wrote: »

Supposedly they were working on a LOT of T6 ships. Now D'Angelo lets slip that theres only 7-10 ships..Thats somewhere between 2-3 ships per faction. And probably a fourth for the Feds.

I honestly dont see how that is a lot of ships. Unless they were referring to ships they havent begun work on.

It's called "Marketing, Cryptic style." Just like the huge amount of new missions they claimed would be "in expansion 2" then later said "Well uh, actually we'll be dribbling those out over time."

patrickngo wrote: »

7-to-10?

Okay...so...

Figure 3 Federation ships, 3 Romulan ships, 1 KDF, based on Cryptic's typical pattern.

and of course, 3 Lockbox ships.

Based on Cryptic's typical pattern shouldn't 10 be like 5 mediocre Fed ships, 1 kick-TRIBBLE Fed ship, 2 mediocre KDF ships and 1 kick-TRIBBLE KDF ship, and 1 Rom ship that makes the Scimitar look like a shuttle?

malkarris

Actually, based on how they count current ships, the metric tonne of ships could also be the tier 6 ships, however many of those there are, plus all of the upgraded current tier 5 ships they keep talking about. If that is like the fleet ship system, that means that they count it as a separate ship. So for instance, there is the tier 4 Defiant (1 ship), the tier 4 c-store Defiant (2 ships), the tier 5 c-store Defiant (3 ships), the fleet Defiant (4 ships) and guessing the tier 5.9 (or whatever you want to call the upgrade) defiant (5 ships). I would look at that and say its 1 ship, with 5 variations, but Cryptic calls that 5 different ships, despite the fact that they can all look exactly the same.

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