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rgzarcher
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Reading over the threads and listening to the chat around ESD, its obvious that people are in manic or panic mode, by and large from the lack of information we've been given.
So while we have time to waste until anything is actually given to clear up this Fog of War, I figured why not try and do something constructive.
The two main sources of ire for the player base are the T6 ships, and the higher level gear. While the T6 ship topic is completely toxic, I figured the bump in gear level could at least be something to play with for now.
Without question, this is going to hit those who use Lock Box gear the most. But is it possible that the history of the Lock Box could provide a solution as well?
Think back to how it all started, remember the Cardassian Galor with its Spiral Wave Disruptors? You had to actually get the ship in order to gain access to buying them, but once you had them you were set due to their nature of being preset.
Why not do this with the other Lock Box weapons? The Phased Polaron or Crescent Disruptors, etc. Make them purchasable from the Dilithium Store once you have them, or if must be, a ship from the same Lock Box?
It would mean players would still have to either shell out money for Zen to buy Dilithium, or spend time grinding for it, but the end result would be less of a major 'we got screwed' and more of a 'this is a nuisance' reaction from players in one area of the update.
This could be taken a step further with things like the Reputation Space sets, why cant the Borg or Omega Space Set be like the Aegis was and just scale with our level? We already have the Borg Cutter Beam, Omni Directional AP, Spiral Wave Disruptors and Elachie Heavy Crescent Cannon with this going for them.
What do you guys think?
So while we have time to waste until anything is actually given to clear up this Fog of War, I figured why not try and do something constructive.
The two main sources of ire for the player base are the T6 ships, and the higher level gear. While the T6 ship topic is completely toxic, I figured the bump in gear level could at least be something to play with for now.
Without question, this is going to hit those who use Lock Box gear the most. But is it possible that the history of the Lock Box could provide a solution as well?
Think back to how it all started, remember the Cardassian Galor with its Spiral Wave Disruptors? You had to actually get the ship in order to gain access to buying them, but once you had them you were set due to their nature of being preset.
Why not do this with the other Lock Box weapons? The Phased Polaron or Crescent Disruptors, etc. Make them purchasable from the Dilithium Store once you have them, or if must be, a ship from the same Lock Box?
It would mean players would still have to either shell out money for Zen to buy Dilithium, or spend time grinding for it, but the end result would be less of a major 'we got screwed' and more of a 'this is a nuisance' reaction from players in one area of the update.
This could be taken a step further with things like the Reputation Space sets, why cant the Borg or Omega Space Set be like the Aegis was and just scale with our level? We already have the Borg Cutter Beam, Omni Directional AP, Spiral Wave Disruptors and Elachie Heavy Crescent Cannon with this going for them.
What do you guys think?
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
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I admit its not a solution for everything, but it would calm the fires down and take away a decent amount of the complaints.
People care about four things in this game, though some care about five.
1. My ship
2. My gear
3. My Boffs
4. My Doffs
5. Having fun (optional)
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
This community has a propensity for wild speculation if left alone after a large revelation for too long.
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At first I laughed at this, because I perceived it to be an exaggeration...
Now I realize that you are absolutely right. It does happen pretty fast.
Here it's 'you'd better make all my gear better, don't you dare make me play'!
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
I wont be playing to get the new gear. Ill be turning in my large Dilithium Stockpile for Zen...
I will totally bring back my CRM 200/Synchronic AP loadout (fantastic old-school anti-Borg, BTW) for this if they scale up to 60!
--Red Annorax
Also keep in mind that lock boxes are one of Cryptic's greatest income sources, with lockbox ships being their primary draw. If T6 ships start to surpass lock box prize quality, then there will be little incentive to open any future lock boxes, thereby resulting in significant STO monetary loss. If the STO customer's lock box ship investment cannot sustain its relative value, then Cryptic will make a convincing argument as to why players should ignore future lock box investments.
Regular standard gear, yes, that's true, even with the uber Fleet gear I imagine though I don't waste time with it.
'Unique' however is just that, its a specific and very narrow set of things.
What would be the purpose of blowing 200 lobi to get upgraded Jem'Hadar space set when you can just get a generic MK14 white Resistant shield that gives more protection?
Seriously, look at the numbers. A Purple MKXI Tac console gives the exact same dmg bonus as a Green MKXII. Going by that, a Purple MKXII will be about equal to a white MK14.
If something is 'unique' its suppose to be special in some way, something that makes is stand out aside from just visual aesthetics.
So to be clear, I'm not arguing or fighting for everything to get pumped up in grade, just for things that are Unique to be treated with the same respect it always had. I honestly think Rep gear or Unique gear should be leveless. Make it GOOD but not AS good as the top of the line 100+ hour grind only things.
That way those who work their backsides off to get the absolute best will always have an edge, while the casual player can still keep pace.
The Grand Turismo game series has been doing this since it started. Anyone that actually knows about cars will have an edge, but you don't need that knowledge to do well with a RG390.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
I've never understood this reasoning,... there is no "unlock" or grind to turn any other Mk level of gear or ship into any other,... so why should it start now?
I understand the desire to keep your hard earned equipment "relevant" for as long as possible, I run 99% Fleet Mk XII and Rep Gear myself, but this idea, that there HAS to be an upgrade or some people are going to rage quit, is utterly and totally ridiculous.
*shakes head in disbelief*
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Allow me to explain it then.
The Omega Borg Weapons set has one Universal Console and two MkXII weapons. You need all three for the 'temporary invincibility' trick that 95% of players in the game use.
If there are Mk14 weapons, then keeping the 1500 mark 90k dilithium Omega Borg set you are use to using will now penalize you.
I get your argument, but at the same time you have to take into account that only the PvP base really invests in Fleet gear. Personally I COULD use Fleet gear, but I don't by choice because I prefer the cool visual effects of the Breen set or the Assimilated set on most of my ships. Fleet gear gives no visual effects, its boring, dull. When you play a game for fun, being able to mix parts to get cool looks is part of the fun.
That aside, you have a lot of people who use the Rep gear because they don't feel like wasting the time (or money) it would take to get Fleet gear, they want to explore everything the game has to offer but not spend a week working just to survive in a new area.
That's part of my problem with the Undine PvE missions. If you aren't an expert player, you need specific gear just to survive it on Elite, and most people despise grinding for days on end just to get a shield or deflector dish to not instantly die. Its why people use the Dyson ground zone rather than PvE missions.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
So basically you want your special Rep set to remain "top of the pile", or as you put it "invincible" forever. I use Rep sets. M.A.C.O for Fed, AKHG for Klingon and Reman for my Romulan. The rest of my ship, is mostly fleet gear, which is better than the best non-fleet gear you can get.
Until I joined a fleet, I used the best Mk XII gear I could afford to. I have nothing against anyone that DOESN'T use or want fleet gear. My whole point is, new stuff gets introduced, older stuff gets phased out and/or no longer is top dog. To expect PWE, Cryptic or anyone else to upgrade it to be "just as good" or "on par" with the new stuff, indefinitely is unrealistic.
My point remains and is still objective fact.
Speaking to your specific example, the borg set was introduced when? At least a couple of years ago? It is unreasonable to expect that nothing better would EVER be released. I have the complete Borg set on two characters, and have found it to be very underwhelming personally,...
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Claiming yourself objective in a debate voids your argument. Youre not a third party without an investment in the game. So pipe down with that 'superior then thou' nonsense.
Making all these obsolete would be a terrible waste of mechanics, quite simply.
That said, it seems like there's some kind of system for upgrading items planned, so the same will probbly be true for the rep gear.
Not quite true: There's the lob upgrade of the Jem'Hadar set(s) from to Mark XII; there' also the Nukara Upgrades where you can turn in lower MK gear for higher MK gear.
Because adding a "gear upgrade lottery" would allow to add yet another dil sink, or even "zen gear upgrade catalysts"? This mechanic is present in most PWE games.
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
You're joking right? Rep gear is *far* from top of the pile. How is using a MKXII Tac console that gives 26% dmg bonus equal to using a MKXII Flet Tac console that gives a 36% dmg bonus? 10% doesn't sound like much, but with 4 tac consoles that's 40% dmg bonus, not counting the CritH or CritD factor.
Fleet gear is for the people with the time and/or money to sink into getting best of the best to be top dog. Rep gear is for everyone else that wants to play with those people using Fleet Gear and not listen to a never ending stream of 'you have no business playing Elite PvEs noob'.
Is Rep gear as good as Fleet gear? No, not by a long shot. and that's not the point. If Rep gear isn't at least comparable to the Mk14 gear when it comes out, why waste time working on Rep at all? The decimal point passive bonuses?
Fleet gear by and large is for the PvP players, which is in the extreme minority. Most people play this game for fun, and PvP is anything but, mostly due to the people in it.
Hopefully they are going to provide a way for Rep gear to be upgraded, or they wont make the additional content more difficult than the current content and require Mk14 gear, because if they don't, people will stop playing. Its as simple as that.
Keep rep gear around 15% less than top of the line best of the best Fleet gear, that's where its been for the last few years and that's good enough for most players.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'