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edwardianed
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Yes, tier 6 ships are coming; why do people feel they should be able to upgrade their tier 5 (and 5.5) for free? Because you spent money on them? You spend money on the Constitution class, no free upgrade; you spend money on the Nebula class, no free upgrade; you spend money on the Prometheus class, no free upgrade.
You got what you paid for; if you invest in something assuming it won't ever be improved upon or otherwise made obsolete at any point in future, more fool you.
Analogy: one doesn't buy a car expecting a free upgrade should a newer model be released.
EDIT: Damn, noticed I wrote "entitle" instead of "entitled" in the title... well, there goes my forum credibility...
EDIT 2: I'm not saying that there should be no ability to upgrade existing items, merely that it is perfectly reasonable for said upgrade to have cost of some sort.
You got what you paid for; if you invest in something assuming it won't ever be improved upon or otherwise made obsolete at any point in future, more fool you.
Analogy: one doesn't buy a car expecting a free upgrade should a newer model be released.
EDIT: Damn, noticed I wrote "entitle" instead of "entitled" in the title... well, there goes my forum credibility...
EDIT 2: I'm not saying that there should be no ability to upgrade existing items, merely that it is perfectly reasonable for said upgrade to have cost of some sort.
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Another thread "just to write another awesome thread, I'll be famous"
Because many people already paid to get upgrades of those ships (fleet).
1. It's extremely unlikely we're sharing the same oxygen, as one of us will be converting it into carbon dioxide before it can be inhaled by the other (not to mention the logistical impracticalities of me being in my study and you clearly being somewhere else)
2. What?
I bought super mario so I should get every super mario ever developed because I already paid for it.
Well that would be awsome everytime they introduce a new car I get a new one from them without paying WOOOOT LOL
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Ignore it to keep your sanity.
dont waste your time with da pve hero.He can't undestand why something is good or not good.
why should you get free upgrades?
He is right ...they should release a new tier every 2 days ...Im sure he will keep up.
thats why Pve hero oppinion is not worth your time and your keyboard.
Is this supposed to be a serious thread?
If it involves spending $25-$100 to upgrade a ship. or ship packs, than you better believe people would demand a free upgrade, but if it is as simple as say like a fleet upgrade, than that if quite a bit more reasonable, and the demand for freebie isn't so drastic, but why wouldn't they offer up free upgrades?
Money, the #1 root evil of all things.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Wait there is an option to play old versions of STO I already paid for. Sign me up.
You see its not really the same thing right. I mean plug in your old mario cart you paid $ for and you still get to play that version of mario. Turn your STO on one day that you paid $ for and find out you have to insert more quarters to continue. Your analogy is off.
Having said that I agree... its a mmo and nothing remains the same accept change. If we didn't want to be locked into an endless cycle of upgrading and $ spending... we are playing the wrong genre of game.
Yes because money was spent on them. If instead they had created the game differently where end-game ships were obtained through gameplay means (ala Raid gear) then there'd be no problem with introducing a new tier of ships.
Unfortunately, Cryptic has used the cash shop to perpetuate the game's existence. So people will feel like their purchases were for naught.
That will anger customers.
And lose them some business.
Now normally Cryptic is pretty nonchalant about angering the playerbase. This time though, they have to tread carefully. Their cash shop is their meat and potatoes. To make those purchases seem null and void to customers, basically leaves them with no real means to continue to entice customers to pay for things.
You can try and make some point about entitlement all you want. But people pay money for these things. And if Cryptic isn't careful, they will lose business.
I have 7 toons, each with 3-4 ten-console ships, with various pieces of rep and fleet gear, all of which were built in order to participate in the end-game content (PVP, NWS, STFs, and even running the Patrol and Defend maps). I'm in no mood to upgrade all those ships and gear. Sunk-cost fallacy. I would most likely just say thanks for the GG, and view this as an opportunity to make a clean break.
I would find it perfectly reasonable to have the situation akin the fleet ships: 4 fleet ship modules to get tier 6 ship, discounted to 1 if you already own tier 5(.5) version of said ship, each module 500 zen. I don't recall if there was such a "freebie" backlash against the introduction of fleet ships, but I always thought it was a sensible system.
I seriously resent the "bootstraps" business model. You seem to believe in it. I don't feed entitled, but I DO feel like the devs could throw us a bone once in a while to say they appreciate us. Like the blue lightsaber batleth, or worf's sash. It doesn't have to be HUGE, just something that says they know we've been playing and they CARE. So, an occasional upgrade of SOMETHING comes with the territory.
So what if Cryptic made it official? How much backlash would they avoid this way?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
This really. You have to be insane to want to buy T6 ships, because now we know that T7 will be on the way, and from there T8, and so on.
I for one, will continue using my T5 ships - if a group of T1 ships can do all STO endgame PvE, a T5 ship will be good for some time yet.
I disagree with your disagreement. You can still use your old ship and play old content. You need not 'insert more quarters'.
I agree with your agreement.
Since the new tier of ships comes with a new tier of personal advancement it's perfectly logical to me that we would have to do a little work to upgrade, just as I had to work to go from a Galaxy to a Sovereign going from Captain to Rear Admiral.
The question will be what will the requirements be. Also this appears to be some way to upgrade an existing ship, which has never been done before. So I'm curious as to how this plays out.
My Dream though is some kind of under the hood, mechanic style custom upgrade to your ship. Some kind of unique crafting modifications. Now that I'm thinking about it, the crafting system portion that will allow custom mods to crafted gear is coming out around the same time or a little before. :hmm
Actually there were plenty of people who were deeply pissed off about the Fleet system at first, fleet module were seen as horrible fleecing due to the obscene amount of dilithium that had to be pumped into the Starbases before you even got access to the Fleet ships. A Fleet Assault Cruiser requires a Tier 5 starbase. That's a LOT of dilithium. Then when you get there, you're charged a fleet module or four, which nominally cost Zen or a usually substantial amount of EC. If I remember right people were claiming they were being charged twice essentially, which isn't inaccurate.
i'm pretty sure cryptic mentioned once that flagships are the "top" standard so to speak, so making ships outright better than them(as in more consoles/boff slots or something), would kinda go against that, how exactly would one explain that the odyssey, which was in the story, released only a year before the current events in the game, already has outright superior versions?
When I trade in my old car, I expect to receive a credit that goes towards the new one. I don't expect anything to be completely free. As a lifer, I do think we should get some sort of discount on something, even if it's only for a limited time or just a certain item, or SOMETHING.
In which case I hope for your sake T7, T8, T9 etc ships aren't too expensive for your taste in grinding.
Us sensible, normal, reasonable folk will continue to sharpen our pitchforks if the handling of this calls for them.
Uh, sensible, normal, reasonable people don't, as a rule, resort to pitchforks and mob tactics if they don't like what they are hearing. The fact that outrage is considered normal behavior is probably the best indictment I have ever seen of the pervasive mentality of the forums.
Actually for lobi and lock box ships that is perfect. Trade in your destroyer to get the cruiser. Trade in a cruiser for a battleship. You lose the original ship and gain another by adding a resource. Fleet modules or other money based item. Trade in done.
We traded in our old materials and thus did not get to keep using them for R&D so there is some precedent.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I've seriously been considering dumping all my mirror ships AND the Cell ship. It's pointless to have now that my DOff reps are all maxed and they ruined the Suliban recruitment mission. So yes, I WILL be deleting lockbox ships in the near future.
I actually deleted the original Excelsior when the CStore one came available.
I have also deleted my Chimera in the past, as well as the Connie, the NX and Galaxy-X, the Yellowstone Runabout and the Peregrine. ALL of them are reclaimable, so I don't see the harm in deleting them while they aren't in use. Still on my account, yes. But I don't have all of them handy all at once.
Sorry if it spoils your fantasy of "shiny is better ALL the time!!!" Ships are not set in stone and can be changed without regret. Accept it and move on.
EDIT: I also refuse to buy more ship slots when I'm not using most of the ships I have as it is. Why would I collect something I have no use for?
And you too, enjoy your new T6 ships which will soon be outdated in due course - This is more than just the now wasted RMASP investments almost every player of STO has made at some point.
The mob has built up because of how previous experience works - if prior stuff had been handled better, then people would be less likely to grab torches and pitchforks now.
Sopwithsnipe - funny, I swear I remember you saying you were F2P only at some point, owing to personal circumstances... My mistake.
Either way, they need to get up every last detail about what will happen to T5 ships, because right now, the mob is getting worked up - and on the basis of how things have been done, and the fact T6 ships was always a point that is literally a noose around the neck - handled wrong, and STO is dead, and not in the "DOOOOMMM!!!1111!!!" way so often offered.
Exactly - the horse has bolted.
Edit: eh.. sorry, wrong thread. Ignore please.
I will enjoy the T6 ships I get, because like an actual reasonable person, I have no problem paying money for a product that I want. You and your ilk, on the other hand, are basically getting upset because Cryptic has the audacity to charge you money for a product you want. Even in the worst case scenario, where there is no upgrade at all, nobody has any reason to complain. None. Nada. Zero. If you like the T6 ships better than the T5 ships, why is it bad that you are being asked to pay for them? The idea that buying a new ship that you like more invalidates your old purchases is simply nonsense. There is really no difference between being asked to pay money for a new T5 ship you like and being asked to pay money for a new T6 ship you like. In both cases, you are getting something you ostensibly want, so why complain?
Note - if your answer is "Because I don't enjoy being less powerful than other players, so I'm being FORCED to buy new ships to keep up", that's a YOU problem, not a Cryptic problem, and really, is just another way of saying "I want something (better stats, in this case), but I don't think it's fair that I'm expected to pay for it".
The mob has built up because people in general are not intellectually responsible enough to think before they post, which leads to a bunch of half-cocked, ignorant responses that encourage another round of nonsense, and so on. Again and again we see reasonable voices drowned out by the echo-chamber effect of the forums magnifying the knee-jerk outrage of people who can't be bothered to stop examine their instinctive, emotionalist responses and see if they are warranted.
Spoiler alert: They aren't.