Here's a rule of gaming I'll pass on... When it stops being fun for you, STOP PLAYING IT. I stopped playing Everquest and SWTOR because it wasn't fun for me. And whining about how unfun the game is on the forums is not the feedback they want.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
Here's a rule of gaming I'll pass on... When it stops being fun for you, STOP PLAYING IT. I stopped playing Everquest and SWTOR because it wasn't fun for me. And whining about how unfun the game is on the forums is not the feedback they want.
So what I find facinating and having the benefit of watching from the sidelines, is that even the hardcore CDFers are now getting disillusioned with the game and the way it's going.
I know it's wrong to admit it, but I do suffer from Schadenfreude way too much...;)
I've said it before 4 years ago and I will say it again, I've had more fun out of these forums then I ever did playing the game.
Please, all you forum posters, even the one who says "I buy everything from the C-store, even stuff I don't need", or the one who wanted us to "vote for STO as the best MMO of the year, even if you don't think it is", or finally my favorite one who has even posted in this thread "STO will never go F2P", please, all of you, don't stop posting.
Glad to see your all turning to the darkside. Took your time and you gave us "haters" grief, but now the shoe is on the other foot eh....:P
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
So what I find facinating and having the benefit of watching from the sidelines, is that even the hardcore CDFers are now getting disillusioned with the game and the way it's going.
I know it's wrong to admit it, but I do suffer from Schadenfreude way too much...;)
I've said it before 4 years ago and I will say it again, I've had more fun out of these forums then I ever did playing the game.
Please, all you forum posters, even the one who says "I buy everything from the C-store, even stuff I don't need", or the one who wanted us to "vote for STO as the best MMO of the year, even if you don't think it is", or finally my favorite one who has even posted in this thread "STO will never go F2P", please, all of you, don't stop posting.
Glad to see your all turning to the darkside. Took your time and you gave us "haters" grief, but now the shoe is on the other foot eh....:P
Who's turning to the darkside? My position has always been:
- I applaud when I feel they make a good/reasonable decision in terms of STO game play and/or profitability (Even if it's one I don't completely like, as long as I can understand the reasons behind the decision, I'll live with it.)
- I call them out on what I consider completely lousy decisions. (And I feel they made a couple big ones with th Doff UI redesign; and I'll further call out the Lead STO Dev Al Rivera for inaccurate and dismissive comments regarding a lot of valid feedback - that was in fact asked for by Cryptic; on said changes - that he simply characterized as 'whining and ranting'. I also think it indeed does show a level of contempt for the playerbase when his response to "Where can players find needed crafting materials?" is "Hey, you wanted exploration...there's your exploration." And while I agree that the 'exploration' game mechanic was lacklustre - it did provide another gameplay choice and okay rewards; and to just 100% remove it without having SOMETHING to replace it, is a decision I also can't understand considering that STO has always had a issue with the amount of playable content.
In other words I'll call it as I see it (good or bad) and espouse my opinion. I could honestly care less if others agree or disagree; and I'm sure those who feel strongly enough will espouse their own opinions, which is one of the functions game forums like this serve.
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Who's turning to the darkside? My position has always been:
- I applaud when I feel they make a good/reasonable decision in terms of STO game play and/or profitability (Even if it's one I don't completely like, as long as I can understand the reasons behind the decision, I'll live with it.)
- I call them out on what I consider completely lousy decisions. (And I feel they made a couple big ones with th Doff UI redesign; and I'll further call out the Lead STO Dev Al Rivera for inaccurate and dismissive comments regarding a lot of valid feedback - that was in fact asked for by Cryptic; on said changes - that he simply characterized as 'whining and ranting'. I also think it indeed does show a level of contempt for the playerbase when his response to "Where can players find needed crafting materials?" is "Hey, you wanted exploration...there's your exploration." And while I agree that the 'exploration' game mechanic was lacklustre - it did provide another gameplay choice and okay rewards; and to just 100% remove it without having SOMETHING to replace it, is a decision I also can't understand considering that STO has always had a issue with the amount of playable content.
In other words I'll call it as I see it (good or bad) and espouse my opinion. I could honestly care less if others agree or disagree; and I'm sure those who feel strongly enough will espouse their own opinions, which is one of the functions game forums like this serve.
You have always been a staunch supporter of Cryptic and STO. It's only in the last 12 months that you have slowly started to raise concerns to now being outright angry at the way STO is going.
Don't be ashamed to join the darkside. I know you love/loved this game and it's probably hurting you the way it's going. Now you know how I and thousands of Star Trek fans felt after the 45 day patch and this game this game has never been a Star Trek game, just a boring generic MMo with ships that look like Star trek ships but it still was a dull game from the begining. Okay, maybe 30 days were fun that I got free when it was released and flying the Defiant was the only saving grace, but it still was dull game that you used to cross swords with me many times, saying how good it was.
Now? Well your posts say it all.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Mostly empty battlezone full of lag inducing bubbles? Not fun. Punching space lizards in the face? Fun. Slogging through an impossibly long crafting rep? Not fun. Creating new and powerful equipment? Fun. Confusing, long, boring queued events? Not fun. Taking on a super powerful enemy and winning one on one? Fun. Slaving away for items that are only worth using on one map once a year? Not fun. Earning unique rewards that can be used at any time? Fun. Lobi items? Not fun. C-Store items? Fun. Concentration on ships and only ships? Not fun. Well rounded purchasable available for all tastes? Fun. Paying through the nose for things I don't care about? Not fun. Paying for things I love? Fun. New Doff system? Not fun. Old Doff system? Fun. Reputation? Not fun. Foundry? Fun. Space battlezones? Not fun. Featured Episodes? Fun.
STOP MAKING THE GAME NOT FUN AND MAKE IT MORE FUN.
On a (very slightly) more serious note, I am close to being done. So close, in fact, that there is literally only one thing keeps me playing this 'game:'
A good friend of mine still plays it.
That's it. When he leaves, I do. And he's getting fed up, too.
I still play Neverwinter; I find it much more fun than this game, and I can get my space fix with Star Citizen... oh, I came full circle, didn't I? :rolleyes:
You have always been a staunch supporter of Cryptic and STO. It's only in the last 12 months that you have slowly started to raise concerns to now being outright angry at the way STO is going.
Well, that means precisely that he wasn't upset by the changes up to this point. It doesn't mean you were righter than him about the changes up to this point.
Everyone has a different "breaking point" on these things, if you had an earlier breaking point, it doesn't mean you're smarter than everyone else, just that you have a different set of desires and tolerances.
On the other hand, if you just mean overall trend, then in one sense that was obvious all along, but it still didn't mean that someone was stupid for not jumping ship earlier.
In another sense, there's nothing wrong with choosing to trust and hope that a company won't go too far in a certain direction. Developers do change their minds sometimes - sometimes even on artistic grounds, or grounds of integrity. Admittedly it's rare, so percentages are always on your side
Myself, I could care less either way about the Star Trek angle, not really a huge sci-fi fan. I came on STO because it seemed like a decent enough mmo game but it's turning into more of a job that doesn't pay than a game for entertainment. Rather than doing anything to improve the game the developers only want to add things to the game we either have to pay a ton of cash for or something to pile on even more work.
Whoever is coming up with these ideas from Cryptic or PWE needs to have a tribble shoved in their mouth and beaten to death with the new crafting tools because their ideas blow.
On a (very slightly) more serious note, I am close to being done. So close, in fact, that there is literally only one thing keeps me playing this 'game:'
A good friend of mine still plays it.
That's it. When he leaves, I do. And he's getting fed up, too.
I still play Neverwinter; I find it much more fun than this game, and I can get my space fix with Star Citizen... oh, I came full circle, didn't I? :rolleyes:
Umm... I don't want to be That Girl but... C-can I have your stuff when you quit? >.> I..uhh... I could use the money. :> Hee..hee hee...
Here's a rule of gaming I'll pass on... When it stops being fun for you, STOP PLAYING IT. I stopped playing Everquest and SWTOR because it wasn't fun for me. And whining about how unfun the game is on the forums is not the feedback they want.
Well, look at the amount of posts and the longevity that the OP has. He's been around since the Dawn of Time and has seen a great many things. Both great and small, good and bad. Honestly, compared to the steaming pile of fecal matter STO was at launch this is a veritable paradise. That, of course doesn't excuse the unusual and questionable direction the game is taking with 9.5's blatant cash grab(R&D, massive nerf to vendor trash, dilithium/zen being only truly viable method of moneymaking in some form or another).
All that's been said and done, I regret nothing when I finally purchased Lifetime. And I wish the game many, many more years. It'll only get better after a rough dark patch.
OP, it's likely you need to just put STO to rest for a while if it's that unfun for you. No one and nothing is holding you here at gunpoint - least I hope nothing is. You'll feel better.
I think Cryptic devs have their very own vision of STO, which kind of players are desired and how they can squeeze even more money out of the IP.
This forum isn't considered as place where ppl can express their hopes, wishes and opinion about how they experience STO.
Cryptics devs seem to want positive feedback, no matter what they do. Everything else is considered as whining and ranting.
Constructive feedback isn't possible on such a basis IMO.
They don't want to hear that most of the things they did last Season release was unneccessary and unwanted by most players. I mean it's noteworthy that the only thing ppl like about a WHOLE season are some free uniforms and the fact that NPCs are now wearing a consisten uniform code. (In my opinion this is somethig one should expect from the beginning. It shows the priorities of cryptics devs. Immersion obviously not their highest goal...)
Now many players have joined those who are displeased with the Game for a long time.
As gurugeorge said every one has a different "breaking point". Mine was reached when i realized that STO was just another MMO mold (un-holy trinity, for example) and everything that made Star Trek unique was twisted in favour to some devs liking.
My point is that Cryptics expectations and goals HEAVY differ to what ppl want to have.
The greater these differences get the less they are going to listen.
Now i have forgotten what i wanted to say, great... :mad::D
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I am looking forward to trying SC too. But I have become really jaded on F2P and MMOs in general and thus remain wary. Yes, I dare to hope they take that a different direction. I don't think quitting STO now really has an impact on this company. People just need to vote with their wallet ... as apparently Herr Al Rivera considers all feedback on forums to be rambling / whining.
On a (very slightly) more serious note, I am close to being done. So close, in fact, that there is literally only one thing keeps me playing this 'game:'
A good friend of mine still plays it.
That's it. When he leaves, I do. And he's getting fed up, too.
I still play Neverwinter; I find it much more fun than this game, and I can get my space fix with Star Citizen... oh, I came full circle, didn't I? :rolleyes:
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I am looking forward to trying SC too. But I have become really jaded on F2P and MMOs in general and thus remain wary. Yes, I dare to hope they take that a different direction. I don't think quitting STO now really has an impact on this company. People just need to vote with their wallet ... as apparently Herr Al Rivera considers all feedback on forums to be rambling / whining.
I almost quit when they came out with the starbase grind. Honestly, I don't even care about getting the items as much as it bothers my OCD having something unleveled.
if they don't change this crafting stuff, I might actually quit the game for good. Logging in and clicking buttons every day for years is not fun.
So don't do it. You don't need to craft, the system has merely been updated for those with an eye on producing equipment. Everything except the max level buffs are available on the exchange and with time those prices will get much more reasonable.
Frankly, if crafting is enough to make you put down STO its probably time you did so in any case. It seems that you're looking for an excuse. Who knows, with a little "vacation", a little perspective, you might find something worth playing again when/if you get back but that's entirely secondary.
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They should have taken the Beetlejuiice Method and started with Dante's Inferno Room.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
And pandering to them isn't either...
I agree. This sucks.
I know it's wrong to admit it, but I do suffer from Schadenfreude way too much...;)
I've said it before 4 years ago and I will say it again, I've had more fun out of these forums then I ever did playing the game.
Please, all you forum posters, even the one who says "I buy everything from the C-store, even stuff I don't need", or the one who wanted us to "vote for STO as the best MMO of the year, even if you don't think it is", or finally my favorite one who has even posted in this thread "STO will never go F2P", please, all of you, don't stop posting.
Glad to see your all turning to the darkside. Took your time and you gave us "haters" grief, but now the shoe is on the other foot eh....:P
Who's turning to the darkside? My position has always been:
- I applaud when I feel they make a good/reasonable decision in terms of STO game play and/or profitability (Even if it's one I don't completely like, as long as I can understand the reasons behind the decision, I'll live with it.)
- I call them out on what I consider completely lousy decisions. (And I feel they made a couple big ones with th Doff UI redesign; and I'll further call out the Lead STO Dev Al Rivera for inaccurate and dismissive comments regarding a lot of valid feedback - that was in fact asked for by Cryptic; on said changes - that he simply characterized as 'whining and ranting'. I also think it indeed does show a level of contempt for the playerbase when his response to "Where can players find needed crafting materials?" is "Hey, you wanted exploration...there's your exploration." And while I agree that the 'exploration' game mechanic was lacklustre - it did provide another gameplay choice and okay rewards; and to just 100% remove it without having SOMETHING to replace it, is a decision I also can't understand considering that STO has always had a issue with the amount of playable content.
In other words I'll call it as I see it (good or bad) and espouse my opinion. I could honestly care less if others agree or disagree; and I'm sure those who feel strongly enough will espouse their own opinions, which is one of the functions game forums like this serve.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
You have always been a staunch supporter of Cryptic and STO. It's only in the last 12 months that you have slowly started to raise concerns to now being outright angry at the way STO is going.
Don't be ashamed to join the darkside. I know you love/loved this game and it's probably hurting you the way it's going. Now you know how I and thousands of Star Trek fans felt after the 45 day patch and this game this game has never been a Star Trek game, just a boring generic MMo with ships that look like Star trek ships but it still was a dull game from the begining. Okay, maybe 30 days were fun that I got free when it was released and flying the Defiant was the only saving grace, but it still was dull game that you used to cross swords with me many times, saying how good it was.
Now? Well your posts say it all.
^Agreed 100%... I reach you.
On a (very slightly) more serious note, I am close to being done. So close, in fact, that there is literally only one thing keeps me playing this 'game:'
A good friend of mine still plays it.
That's it. When he leaves, I do. And he's getting fed up, too.
I still play Neverwinter; I find it much more fun than this game, and I can get my space fix with Star Citizen... oh, I came full circle, didn't I? :rolleyes:
Well, that means precisely that he wasn't upset by the changes up to this point. It doesn't mean you were righter than him about the changes up to this point.
Everyone has a different "breaking point" on these things, if you had an earlier breaking point, it doesn't mean you're smarter than everyone else, just that you have a different set of desires and tolerances.
On the other hand, if you just mean overall trend, then in one sense that was obvious all along, but it still didn't mean that someone was stupid for not jumping ship earlier.
In another sense, there's nothing wrong with choosing to trust and hope that a company won't go too far in a certain direction. Developers do change their minds sometimes - sometimes even on artistic grounds, or grounds of integrity. Admittedly it's rare, so percentages are always on your side
Whoever is coming up with these ideas from Cryptic or PWE needs to have a tribble shoved in their mouth and beaten to death with the new crafting tools because their ideas blow.
Umm... I don't want to be That Girl but... C-can I have your stuff when you quit? >.> I..uhh... I could use the money. :> Hee..hee hee...
Well, look at the amount of posts and the longevity that the OP has. He's been around since the Dawn of Time and has seen a great many things. Both great and small, good and bad. Honestly, compared to the steaming pile of fecal matter STO was at launch this is a veritable paradise. That, of course doesn't excuse the unusual and questionable direction the game is taking with 9.5's blatant cash grab(R&D, massive nerf to vendor trash, dilithium/zen being only truly viable method of moneymaking in some form or another).
All that's been said and done, I regret nothing when I finally purchased Lifetime. And I wish the game many, many more years. It'll only get better after a rough dark patch.
OP, it's likely you need to just put STO to rest for a while if it's that unfun for you. No one and nothing is holding you here at gunpoint - least I hope nothing is. You'll feel better.
But they already used that for when you get a private message.
This forum isn't considered as place where ppl can express their hopes, wishes and opinion about how they experience STO.
Cryptics devs seem to want positive feedback, no matter what they do. Everything else is considered as whining and ranting.
Constructive feedback isn't possible on such a basis IMO.
They don't want to hear that most of the things they did last Season release was unneccessary and unwanted by most players. I mean it's noteworthy that the only thing ppl like about a WHOLE season are some free uniforms and the fact that NPCs are now wearing a consisten uniform code.
(In my opinion this is somethig one should expect from the beginning. It shows the priorities of cryptics devs. Immersion obviously not their highest goal...)
Now many players have joined those who are displeased with the Game for a long time.
As gurugeorge said every one has a different "breaking point". Mine was reached when i realized that STO was just another MMO mold (un-holy trinity, for example) and everything that made Star Trek unique was twisted in favour to some devs liking.
My point is that Cryptics expectations and goals HEAVY differ to what ppl want to have.
The greater these differences get the less they are going to listen.
Now i have forgotten what i wanted to say, great... :mad::D
One person threating to quit. Yeah, I bet they are rushing to change it back right now. :P
- Judge Aaron Satie
I almost quit when they came out with the starbase grind. Honestly, I don't even care about getting the items as much as it bothers my OCD having something unleveled.
Wait....it is not?
I've seen a lot of whinging, whining posts, but it's not ALL
So don't do it. You don't need to craft, the system has merely been updated for those with an eye on producing equipment. Everything except the max level buffs are available on the exchange and with time those prices will get much more reasonable.
Frankly, if crafting is enough to make you put down STO its probably time you did so in any case. It seems that you're looking for an excuse. Who knows, with a little "vacation", a little perspective, you might find something worth playing again when/if you get back but that's entirely secondary.
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