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Mirror BoP

shadokittyshadokitty Member Posts: 131 Arc User
edited July 2014 in Klingon Discussion
Was chatting on STO today, and heard of something intriguing. A Mirror BoP in the coming Xindi lockbox. Am I the only one who is looking forward to this ship?
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  • shailatshailat Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    shadokitty wrote: »
    Was chatting on STO today, and heard of something intriguing. A Mirror BoP in the coming Xindi lockbox. Am I the only one who is looking forward to this ship?

    Is it gonna have a layout that cant be changed?
    Cuz atm the normal bop has all univs
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    While I certainly would like a Mirror BoP (because that will mean another T5 BoP for an alternative build), what is going to be the big difference? In other Mirror starships the only difference is the Boff stations. All BoPs have universal stations.

    I would like a T5 Ki'Tang Refit though....
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    My guess is that it will have a Sci heavy layout. Likely a CDR Sci, and the rest Universal.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The Mirror BOP will probably have the following layout:

    11 Universal BOFF Skill Slots

    4 ENG Consoles
    3 SCI Consoles
    2 TAC Consoles

    Because it would be funny...
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Mirror Ktinga makes more sense
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    The Mirror BOP will probably have the following layout:

    11 Universal BOFF Skill Slots

    4 ENG Consoles
    3 SCI Consoles
    2 TAC Consoles

    Because it would be funny...

    actually, i have a feeling A mirror BoP will be...

    5 fore weapons, 2 Aft.

    2 eng, 2 sci, 5 tac....


    only way i ever see it happening, lol.
  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It occurred to me that the best way to do a Mirror BoP would be to reverse the normal unique BOff Stations - so that they're more conventional, ie fixed Cdr / Lt slots in exchange for an ensign slot.

    Perhaps:

    Cdr - Tac
    Lt Cdr - Uni
    Lt - Eng
    Lt - Uni
    Ens - Uni

    Consoles 3/3/3 as the Hegh'ta.
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    staq16 wrote: »
    It occurred to me that the best way to do a Mirror BoP would be to reverse the normal unique BOff Stations - so that they're more conventional, ie fixed Cdr / Lt slots in exchange for an ensign slot.

    Perhaps:

    Cdr - Tac
    Lt Cdr - Uni
    Lt - Eng
    Lt - Uni
    Ens - Uni

    Consoles 3/3/3 as the Hegh'ta.

    Isn't that the Breen Raider? I suggested CDR Sci because it would be something of a reversal of that.
  • baelogventurebaelogventure Member Posts: 1,002 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It's more then likely just going to have a console switch for the mirror version while keeping the same All Universal layout.
  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It will make no sense at all. Bops have already all univ stations. But meh, since cryptic never makes things with sense, yeah maybe we would see a mirror bop (but i cant imagine how are going to make it "better" than the regular one..).
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Like others have said, a Mirror BoP would be pretty much pointless. The BoPs have all universal Boff stations and eqaully balanced console layout, with the exception of fleet level BoPs that gain the +1 console. The only one missing is a fleet Hegh'ta with a +1 sci. console.

    A mirror BoP would essentialy be the same ship and it would be incredibly dumb for Cryptic to put a Zen ship in a lockbox. However, looking at the MU Dhelan, it's pretty sure the extremely dumb is not beyond Cryptic, so there...

    But why are people so fired up on MU ships anyway? Sure they come cheap, but are not top-notch level like fleet, lockbox or bulde ships are. I find them subpar to everything I currently own.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    shpoks wrote: »

    But why are people so fired up on MU ships anyway? Sure they come cheap, but are not top-notch level like fleet, lockbox or bulde ships are. I find them subpar to everything I currently own.

    Well, thats not necessarily true. I can go into a CCE with everyone else in fleet/lockbox/scimitars, and still get 1st place in my mirror Vo'Quv with dil BoP's. What people fail to recognizew is that depending on the ship, a +10% to hull and shields wont mean squat, +1 console is only a tiny difference.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    tenkari wrote: »
    Well, thats not necessarily true. I can go into a CCE with everyone else in fleet/lockbox/scimitars, and still get 1st place in my mirror Vo'Quv with dil BoP's. What people fail to recognizew is that depending on the ship, a +10% to hull and shields wont mean squat, +1 console is only a tiny difference.

    I didn't say you can't. In fact, the content is so dumbed down that it would be embaracing if someone couldn't. (yeah I know there are players like that, so gg STO i guess...:rolleyes:)
    Anyway, what I'm saying is - for a person that knows what he/she's doing - that extra hull, shields and console are added value that improves their performance anyway you look at it. And that for someone having access to these top-notch ships (which is pretty much everyone due to high-quality ships being giveaways), it's kinda pointless to run a lower preformer ship unless it's a unique case like the Guramba or Marauder that don't have enhanced versions yet.
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  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    A mirror BoP would be great.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Like others have said, a Mirror BoP would be pretty much pointless. The BoPs have all universal Boff stations and eqaully balanced console layout, with the exception of fleet level BoPs that gain the +1 console. The only one missing is a fleet Hegh'ta with a +1 sci. console.

    A mirror BoP would essentialy be the same ship and it would be incredibly dumb for Cryptic to put a Zen ship in a lockbox. However, looking at the MU Dhelan, it's pretty sure the extremely dumb is not beyond Cryptic, so there...

    But why are people so fired up on MU ships anyway? Sure they come cheap, but are not top-notch level like fleet, lockbox or bulde ships are. I find them subpar to everything I currently own.
    Because while sad, the mirror somraw is the cheapest and best raptor out there right now. I'm not in a fleet nor do I have a wish to be, so for my KDF tac till they get a zen raptor, the Mirror raptor is the best I am going to get.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    policestate76 wrote: »
    It will make no sense at all. Bops have already all univ stations. But meh, since cryptic never makes things with sense, yeah maybe we would see a mirror bop (but i cant imagine how are going to make it "better" than the regular one..).

    I'm poking fun at this whole Mirror BOP because I know Cryptic will give it a horrible setup.

    Hence my joke:

    Regular 11 BOFF skill slots as with most BOPs.

    The Consoles will be skewed for 4 ENG, 3 SCI, 2 TAC.

    Becuase 4 ENG Consoled BOPs is something we've all been begging to ask for.

    Just watch :D

    They are NOT going to give this Mirror BOP 4 TAC Consoles. They most definitely are NOT going to give it 5 forward weapons, much less 4-5 TAC Consoles to go with it. It has to be kept down in mediocrity.

    Lastly, the quibble I have with Mirror Ships is that they're Dead End Purchases. There's nothing that they can be used to upgrade into. There is no Fleet ship equivalent with the same style you liked with the Mirror version. You'll forever be stuck at a 9 console version, and if you decide to make the jump to Fleet version, it's the standard style and not the Mirror that you wanted.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    baelogventure wrote: »
    It's more then likely just going to have a console switch for the mirror version while keeping the same All Universal layout.

    Switch from what? ALL mirror ships have only 9 slots. Only the Fleet BOPs have 10 slots. The T5 BOP has all universal BOFFs, and 3 of each slot. How do you switch around the consoles when all of them have three? You would have to convert one console into another, causing a 4,3,2 setup as mentioned elshwere.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,487 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    shadokitty wrote: »
    Was chatting on STO today, and heard of something intriguing. A Mirror BoP in the coming Xindi lockbox. Am I the only one who is looking forward to this ship?

    Does it have enhanced BC like the B'rel and T'Varo? If it does I'm getting one, but if it doesn't i'll stick with my Hegh'ta.
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Lame, Cryptic. So very lame.

    As has been discussed since mirror ships came out, a mirror BoP is nonsensical. They're running out of ideas and instead of doing something different, or maybe even something new, they just stick to the same old template long after it ceases to apply. And they wonder why they have to delete large chunks of the game because of incompatibilities? They're making more every update!


    Mirror BoPs are a sign of the current state of Cryptic leadership and how poor it is.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Like I said, I'll go for a Mirror BoP for an alternative build so that I don't have to switch out gear on my current Hegh'ta. Even if it is something like a T4 KiTang refit with a stronger hull.

    Maybe Cryptic will do something nice like add a 5th Boff station, but unlike the other 4 stations it will not be universal. Even if it will only be an Ensign station of whatever specialty (Tac, Eng, Sci) at least that would be something different and at least provide some options.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Just a note, regardless of whether a Mirror BoP is coming or not:

    I'm happy for any mirror ship because they're typically alternatives to dilithium ships and much cheaper. And if you don't need the typically useless special consoles, mirror ships are also nice alternatives to most C-Store ships, being much cheaper (exceptions would be Fleet level 10 console ship bundles and a couple plainly overpowered newer additions).
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It will be the mirror fleet norgh. They will swap the lt and cmdr officers, both becoming universal, and swap engineering and science consoles, to give a 3/3/3 layout.
  • ibreakbonesibreakbones Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I do not see them adding a mirror BoP. I hope they do but I would not hold my breath. It is very rare to see a new KDF ship and even more rare to see a useful one.

    Sill I hope they add a new ship. A mirror Mogh with a tactical commander would be useful. Any KDF ship with 5 tactical consoles would be useful. A decent destroyer would be useful as we do not have a destroyer that can cloak. Well there is that Dyson disaster. The Guramba is sweet but it cannot cloak. One that could cloak would be useful.

    But we are talking about Cryptic. A company that has not figured out that people would buy a tier 5 raptor from the c-store. A company who has not figured out how to balance PVP. A company that his not shown that they give a rats furry backside about the KDF at all.

    What could they possibly do to make a mirror BoP mirror? A different paint job? Woopie. All BoPs have universal seating and the only difference between a mirror ship and a prime ship is the seating. So a Mirror Mogh would make more sense. But then we are talking about Cryptic.

    Actually we have BoPs for every tier so do we really need another? We do need a decent battle ship. We do need an answer to the new fed patrol escort, we do need an escort carrier with a tactical commander like the Feds has. We need something that we do not already have a ton of. But then we are talking about Cryptic. What more can I say?
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ibreakbones wrote: »
    I do not see them adding a mirror BoP. I hope they do but I would not hold my breath. It is very rare to see a new KDF ship and even more rare to see a useful one.

    Sill I hope they add a new ship. A mirror Mogh with a tactical commander would be useful. Any KDF ship with 5 tactical consoles would be useful. A decent destroyer would be useful as we do not have a destroyer that can cloak. Well there is that Dyson disaster. The Guramba is sweet but it cannot cloak. One that could cloak would be useful.

    But we are talking about Cryptic. A company that has not figured out that people would buy a tier 5 raptor from the c-store. A company who has not figured out how to balance PVP. A company that his not shown that they give a rats furry backside about the KDF at all.

    What could they possibly do to make a mirror BoP mirror? A different paint job? Woopie. All BoPs have universal seating and the only difference between a mirror ship and a prime ship is the seating. So a Mirror Mogh would make more sense. But then we are talking about Cryptic.

    Actually we have BoPs for every tier so do we really need another? We do need a decent battle ship. We do need an answer to the new fed patrol escort, we do need an escort carrier with a tactical commander like the Feds has. We need something that we do not already have a ton of. But then we are talking about Cryptic. What more can I say?

    Oh, Mirror BOP (Kitang), Saber, T'Varo are coming in the next lockbox. What the stats are is open to debate, but they're coming...
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I will go for one. But it depends on which ship they do. As I will get a cheaper ship that can be used effectively on how I play. I own a few mirror ships and they all have performed well for me.

    Sure beats lots of hours and resources to get some ridiculous high priced Fleet ship. Plus Fleet ships are for the guys love to be in that level. I'm not, so mirror is a better deal on price.
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    Oh, Mirror BOP (Kitang), Saber, T'Varo are coming in the next lockbox. What the stats are is open to debate, but they're coming...

    I'm really curious as to their stats. However I'm happy Ki'tang skin is available at Tier 5. Yay!

    (And will the Mirror T'Varo keep Enhanced Battlecloak?)
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    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Some this up in two words. SENSOR ANALYSIS.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    simeion1 wrote: »
    Some this up in two words. SENSOR ANALYSIS.

    Sensor Analysis on a BOP makes it flexible, esp. with the All Universal Stations.

    But the Battle Cloak cannot be engaged with SA toggled on. The Romulan version of the DSD cannot cloak with SA on.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    What I want to know is why we have a mirror version of a nonexistent ship. There's no actual Prime version of this ship at all!
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I'm personally hoping that it'll have 4 Sci console slots. No Raider has 4 Sci console slots yet.
    doffingcomrade wrote: »
    What I want to know is why we have a mirror version of a nonexistent ship. There's no actual Prime version of this ship at all!
    Here is the Prime version.

    There's nothing saying that a mirror ship must have a Prime version that has a "refit", "retrofit", or lack of either status. In-continuity, there's probably a "Mirror Ki'tang Bird-of-Prey" in the Mirror Universe's Klingon-Cardassian Alliance fleet that is tier 4, and the tier 5 version merely has upgraded technology.
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