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Original Mirror Ships.....

ejsphcrispejsphcrisp Member Posts: 145 Arc User
edited July 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
When Smiley O'Brien down loaded the specs for the Defiant, it is safe to assume that he got other specs as well, but , does the MU have an original ship design, or do they just come to the PU for inspiration for all their ships?
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Yeah, it's somewhat bothered me over the years that the Mirror Universe magically have the same exact ships. So makes me wonder how many times they infiltrated our Universe.

    Well with Cryptic retiring the Jupiter and "soon" the Typhoon (for a new model), I say they should stay in game as true Mirror Universe ships. Because it seems more like the Mirror Universe to kitbash ships (Jupiter) or heavily modify them (Typhoon).
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  • captainzheicaptainzhei Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The modern Mirror Universe would have basically needed to steal everything they could from the prime universe - well, for the remnants of Mankind at least. Remember, the Terran Alliance was torn apart by Goatee Spock and his stupid peaceful values. The Bajorans and Klingons walked all up and down his pointed ears and turned the Alliance into a forced labour supply.

    ....though maybe... what if Smiley got his hands on a Klingon ship?
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  • ejsphcrispejsphcrisp Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    captainzhei wrote: »
    The modern Mirror Universe would have basically needed to steal everything they could from the prime universe - well, for the remnants of Mankind at least. Remember, the Terran Alliance was torn apart by Goatee Spock and his stupid peaceful values. The Bajorans and Klingons walked all up and down his pointed ears and turned the Alliance into a forced labour supply.

    ....though maybe... what if Smiley got his hands on a Klingon ship?

    Didn't James (Smilie's son) say that the Terrans conquered the MU, and he was going to bring his forces over to conquer the PU? It seems to me they more than rebuilt what was torn apart, so why not their own ship design?
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ejsphcrisp wrote: »
    Didn't James (Smilie's son) say that the Terrans conquered the MU, and he was going to bring his forces over to conquer the PU? It seems to me they more than rebuilt what was torn apart, so why not their own ship design?

    So why not their own genetics makeup? What you call "stolen" is just coincidence. PU doesn't hold sole rights to good ideas. MU doesn't have to alter their rational and efficient designs and make less effective just to avoid the patent police.:P
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Can said Original Mirror Universe ships be monetized?

    If yes, I certainly foresee the possibility.
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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The whole concept of the MU is ridicoulus. After decades of occupation Earth was most certainly stripped of all military production facilities. Hardly any Terran would know how to build a freighter let alone the newest and most advanced warship in PU Starfleet. Even technicians of the PU struggled to make the Defiant work. And even if they had managed to build some ships and reconquer the MU they would have gone their own path after catching up with the PU's technology.
  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I always thought the MU was pretty much exactly the same as the PU since both dimensions are so close together, just with a few subtle social differences. So it made sense that technology is also exactly the same.
  • xsupersnailxxsupersnailx Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Lol its the MIRROR UNIVERSE same people same thoughts same designs for ships.
  • ejsphcrispejsphcrisp Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    xsupersnailx wrote: »
    Lol its the MIRROR UNIVERSE same people same thoughts same designs for ships.

    Not the same people, Miles never had a son named James, not the same thoughts, the PU have no interest in conquering the MU. The only interest we have is to close the border between the 2 universes.
  • gurluasgurluas Member Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    They were identical once, but the more time passes, the more they drift apart.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    gurluas wrote: »
    They were identical once, but the more time passes, the more they drift apart.

    Yet, it seems that they mostly stay the same.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The MU is just a stage for character plays. It was a neat idea but has creatively been slaughtered since TOS. DS9 was to the mirror universe what VOY was for the Borg. I also don't like the Tholians being tied into the MU nonsense. Remember, the Tholians and the MU had no connection whatsoever, it was retconned later in ENT *shudders*
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    azurianstar wrote: »
    Yeah, it's somewhat bothered me over the years that the Mirror Universe magically have the same exact ships. So makes me wonder how many times they infiltrated our Universe.
    I don't think it's because of any infiltration. Officially, the Mirror Universe is linked somehow to the Prime Universe, causing everyone to have a 'parallel' self in both universes. That might include starships too to an extent. The first interaction between universes came when the original(read:TOS) Defiant was transported to the MU. And the MU already had an NX class. I'm betting that the MU's "connection" extends to starships as well.
    azurianstar wrote: »
    Remember, the Tholians and the MU had no connection whatsoever, it was retconned later in ENT *shudders*
    I never understood this type of claim.Are you saying that in the entirety of the main Star Trek continuity, there couldn't have been a connection between the MU and the Tholians until it was observed on ST:E?

    I'm not sure I accept that assertion.
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  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The MU is just a stage for character plays. It was a neat idea but has creatively been slaughtered since TOS. DS9 was to the mirror universe what VOY was for the Borg. I also don't like the Tholians being tied into the MU nonsense. Remember, the Tholians and the MU had no connection whatsoever, it was retconned later in ENT *shudders*

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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,513 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ejsphcrisp wrote: »
    When Smiley O'Brien down loaded the specs for the Defiant, it is safe to assume that he got other specs as well, but , does the MU have an original ship design, or do they just come to the PU for inspiration for all their ships?

    Go to your bathroom, look into the mirror and ask why there is no difference.
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The MU is just a stage for character plays. It was a neat idea but has creatively been slaughtered since TOS. DS9 was to the mirror universe what VOY was for the Borg. I also don't like the Tholians being tied into the MU nonsense. Remember, the Tholians and the MU had no connection whatsoever, it was retconned later in ENT *shudders*

    As much as I like DS9 overall & the DS9 MU episodes from a pure entertainment SciFi standpoint (okok, and for sexed up Kira in thight leather :D ) I dislike what they have done in respect to the MU idea.

    A Terran Empire hold DS9 commanded by a Sisko behaving like Dukat on a bad day and a Kira as second in command as reward from the TE for betraying her world in some spectacular way that made it the easiest picking for the TE ever would IMO as entertaining but at the same time more truthful to a Mirror Episode.
  • ejsphcrispejsphcrisp Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    Go to your bathroom, look into the mirror and ask why there is no difference.

    There is no difference, because it is a mirror reflection, not a living being, from another dimension, hell bent on destroying the galaxy.

    This other being that "looks" like me would not have the same memories and experiences as me, so he would probably design different ships than I would.

    With the contempt James showed toward the Federation, it's residents, and it's philosophies, you would think he would distance the MU from emulating the PU.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ejsphcrisp wrote: »
    When Smiley O'Brien down loaded the specs for the Defiant, it is safe to assume that he got other specs as well, but , does the MU have an original ship design, or do they just come to the PU for inspiration for all their ships?

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  • exa12exa12 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    probably because getting someone else to do the costly and skill/knowledge intensive development and stealing the plans + toolings after seems a sensible plan for the MU, where several major resource sources and developed shipyards/research facility have been destroyed and the average education level is somewhere near that of Fallout's raiders

    ejsphcrisp wrote: »
    Not the same people, Miles never had a son named James,...

    but his prime!son was named, in part, after kira, without her involvement its likely his son would be named in the same style as his daughter

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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    I don't think it's because of any infiltration. Officially, the Mirror Universe is linked somehow to the Prime Universe, causing everyone to have a 'parallel' self in both universes. That might include starships too to an extent. The first interaction between universes came when the original(read:TOS) Defiant was transported to the MU. And the MU already had an NX class. I'm betting that the MU's "connection" extends to starships as well.

    I don't buy it. MU ship history was altered drastically when they found the Defiant, which was advancing their technology 100 years. Which would've paralleled the Abramsverse when they got their hands on the Kelvin's sensor logs of the Narada and advanced their technology by 150 years. And that's what allowed them to conquer so much up until Mirror Spock took over.

    But the thing is, in DS9, Smiley stole the Defiant plans and used that to free the Terrans. But in the STO era, we have actual plot confirming them stealing our designs and using it and reconquering their end so quickly. So they copied their way, which gave Cryptic an easy out since all they have to do is literally cut and paste.


    Logically speaking, the Mirror Universe wouldn't steal Federation designs but would've based theirs off the Defiant since the Defiant was a warship while the Federation ships are really built for exploration. So their designs wouldn't be the same. They would've focused on Battlecruisers and Battleships.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    I never understood this type of claim.Are you saying that in the entirety of the main Star Trek continuity, there couldn't have been a connection between the MU and the Tholians until it was observed on ST:E?

    I'm not sure I accept that assertion.

    Of course there isn't a connection if it hasn't been shown in almost 40 years. The Tholians were a perphal part of the lore in TNG as well as DS9, which even dove into the whole mirror universe thing rather frequently without any Tholian reference. ENT retconned it, which as I said in another thread, is a terrible, terrible thing to do.
    azurianstar wrote: »
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    Logically speaking, the Mirror Universe wouldn't steal Federation designs but would've based theirs off the Defiant since the Defiant was a warship while the Federation ships are really built for exploration. So their designs wouldn't be the same. They would've focused on Battlecruisers and Battleships.

    Yes, if we ignore all the things about STOs version of the MU that dont make sense (a lot!) then the Terran Empire should actually use the Typhoon, Jupiter and other old ship models that make no sense in a prime universe Starfleet line-up (basically everything the "It's WAR!" crowd is keen of). That would make a little bit more sense in any case.
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