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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The eastern grind fields, in Farmville.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Uhm the lockbox ships are all made by Cryptic, and they are all canon ships that CBS has approved.

    Now as to how long the lockboxes will sell, they will sell for:

    1. As long as players keep making characters.

    2. As long as they remain 1 per character as opposed to C-Store ships being 1 per account.

    3. As long as players keep enjoying the thrill of gambling.

    4. As long as Cryptic keeps rotating box drops to keep the supply low and constantly in demand.

    5. As long as new people keep creating accounts and want what other people have.

    sorry but kdf time ship not canon that just one and when i said canon ships i ment one you saw in show and movies not ones cryptic thought up in there head
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    If CBS approves it, it's canon as far as this game is concerned.

    And this game has never been based on hard canon. It has and always will be a generic space MMO lightly dusted with Star Trek flavor crystals.

    All the ships are grossly under-gunned.

    The weapons themselves are under powered, with wildly inaccurate ranges. 10k? That won't reach the surface of a planet from orbit.

    just tell me this how many cryptic thought up ship do you see in the game do they out number ones from show and movie!?!??!?! ;) bet more scimitars are running around then cryptic thought up ships ;)
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    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Imho i thnk STO has peaked its not going to get any better then it is right now sure there will be upgrades and small additions here and there such as season 9.5 but nothing along the lines of LoR.

    I doubt there will be anymore new races as my evidence is the lockbox's cryptic and PWE are more interested in those then releasing new races.

    This tells me that instead of new Factions they will instead add another ockbox into the fray of the plethera thus far ingame.

    What this says is STO has peaked as far as the game dying well its an eventual every game ends thats a fact its the matter of when.

    I will go out on a limb in saying this game has 3-4 years of actual life left before it becomes a game zombie with nothing new just small reeases ike boxes.

    as far as actual life in itself i give this game a 6-7 year lifespan from here on out before the shutdown comes.

    But this game is headed down the road a game must evolve and improve and expand to survive and what im seeing after LoR is cryptic has no interest in expanding this game on those ines whatsoever.

    anyways im not saying DOOM what im saying is what i see and where the game is headed Imo.
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    When you say new races do you mean new factions or just species we can play as characters? Or both?

    yeah i meant to say faction not races sorry for the confusion :)
  • ricorosebudricorosebud Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    And it just burns you guys up that I will loudly oppose your attempts to turn this into a copy of every other MMO. You hate that the devs hear opinions that contradict your "moar raids" BS.

    While I agree that the 'trinity' is outdated and not needed, I can't imagine why anyone would be against raids.

    Perhaps you have had bad experiences with raids in the past. And their inclusion would not turn STO into a carbon copy of other WoW clones. You seem to have a specific idea about what a raid is and what the people asking for such content have in mind without being able to be persuaded otherwise. I would suggest a more open minded approach.

    Challenging group content that requires teamwork to conquer would be great fun and should be a staple of any MMO. Part of the allure and fun of MMOs are interacting and teaming with other players to achieve a goal. Otherwise, why wouldn't this be a single player experience? Additionally the powercreep has made the content we have now far too easy and the difficulty needs to be stepped up to keep pace. I feel raids would be an excellent way to achieve this. Say-called 'casual' players still have plenty to do while those that seek higher challenges are left wanting.

    More and challenging content (and the requests for such) is a good thing.

    Don't let the term 'raid' scare you.
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I wouldn't bet against a new faction someday. LoR was the second best thing (after F2P) they did for STO in terms of attracting new players and getting those players to spend money. It was also one of the hardest things they ever did, so much so that they all pretty much took a vacation once the showstopper bugs were fixed.

    A new faction isn't something they can just add easily, but if they want to recreate that success, it's something they will have to do eventually.
  • conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    While I agree that the 'trinity' is outdated and not needed, I can't imagine why anyone would be against raids.

    Perhaps you have had bad experiences with raids in the past. And their inclusion would not turn STO into a carbon copy of other WoW clones. You seem to have a specific idea about what a raid is and what the people asking for such content have in mind without being able to be persuaded otherwise. I would suggest a more open minded approach.

    Challenging group content that requires teamwork to conquer would be great fun and should be a staple of any MMO. Part of the allure and fun of MMOs are interacting and teaming with other players to achieve a goal. Otherwise, why wouldn't this be a single player experience? Additionally the powercreep has made the content we have now far too easy and the difficulty needs to be stepped up to keep pace. I feel raids would be an excellent way to achieve this. Say-called 'casual' players still have plenty to do while those that seek higher challenges are left wanting.

    More and challenging content (and the requests for such) is a good thing.

    Don't let the term 'raid' scare you.

    Because of all the baggage that goes with them.

    Starting with raiders demanding that the only way to get the best rewards in the game be raids.

    So it becomes raid or die to progress.
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited June 2014
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    jellico1 wrote: »
    I think STO is headed down the same path that SWG went down

    complete with the john smedley playbook...i see the signs

    I really hope i am wrong

    Meh, pretty much. Ton's of content removed because people are too stu........eh educated to play the game. :rolleyes:

    hyefather wrote: »
    Are you optimistic or worried? Somedays, I just don't know what to think.

    I honestly think it's all downhill from here.

    Ever since I started playing MMOs in 1999, it seems that MMOs are good up to 4 years, then it's all downhill. And to justify my point, look at the population in STO since they added the Dyson Sphere. The Queues are dead (deader than dead on the KDF side), once heavily populated Fleets are now ran by skeleton crews, and there are fewer instances during the Seasonal Events.

    All because PWE was really getting greedy with Dilithium and Cryptic actually taking out fun for their idea of fun. Everything is all about grinding this, grinding that. And of course repeating the same nonsense over and over and over. That's why people have left for other games, even the cheap MMOs just to have fun.

    And of course the new direction by D'angelo doesn't seem to be heading in the right way either with how bad Season 9 was and massive changes to gameplay with 9.5 Let's be honest, they really shot themselves in the foot this time.
  • stomperx99stomperx99 Member Posts: 863 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »

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  • ricorosebudricorosebud Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Because of all the baggage that goes with them.

    Starting with raiders demanding that the only way to get the best rewards in the game be raids.

    So it becomes raid or die to progress.

    So, it is true then, bad past experiences. Those experiences need not be true here.

    As far as rewards go, I would actively rally against including more powerful items being rewarded for completing raids, as that would be counter-productive to what I seek: the challenge. We are too powerful as is, I don't want to get moreso. I want to engage in difficult combat that requires use of my skills, equipment and ability to work in a team to conquer a larger goal. THAT is my ideal reward.

    And just because someone has a new shiny, does not make it mandatory that you must also have it.

    Let me ask you this: would you like to have additional content that required a group effort and a good understanding of your build and abilities to defeat? Just that, nothing about rewards or leet snobs. (Because truly these things are not mutually exclusive.)
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    If STO gets a Buzz Lightyear/Star Trek mash-up expansion, I will simultaneously love and despise the entire team for it.
    And of course the new direction by D'angelo doesn't seem to be heading in the right way either with how bad Season 9 was and massive changes to gameplay with 9.5
    Massive changes to gameplay? I don't remember the last time I used a crafting station or wandered into the buggy and no-less-repetitive-than-everything-else exploration missions. Most of the other changes in S9.5 are mere tweaks compared to the crafting overhaul.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    So, it is true then, bad past experiences. Those experiences need not be true here.

    As far as rewards go, I would actively rally against including more powerful items being rewarded for completing raids, as that would be counter-productive to what I seek: the challenge. We are too powerful as is, I don't want to get moreso. I want to engage in difficult combat that requires use of my skills, equipment and ability to work in a team to conquer a larger goal. THAT is my ideal reward.

    And just because someone has a new shiny, does not make it mandatory that you must also have it.

    Let me ask you this: would you like to have additional content that required a group effort and a good understanding of your build and abilities to defeat? Just that, nothing about rewards or leet snobs. (Because truly these things are not mutually exclusive.)

    you know what gets me ive had worse happen to me

    lets see someone i thought was a girl pretending to be one for 6 months when i found out their response "it was the only way i knew how to make friends"

    had ppl try and take over my fleet they failed but ppl i called friends and thought i could trust took it and spite in my face

    thats just a few examples of my past experience in mmos but dont stop me from playing them or elses i would have never made it out of wow
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • ricorosebudricorosebud Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    you know what gets me ive had worse happen to me

    lets see someone i thought was a girl pretending to be one for 6 months when i found out their response "it was the only way i knew how to make friends"

    had ppl try and take over my fleet they failed but ppl i called friends and thought i could trust took it and spite in my face

    thats just a few examples of my past experience in mmos but dont stop me from playing them or elses i would have never made it out of wow

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  • conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    So, it is true then, bad past experiences. Those experiences need not be true here.

    As far as rewards go, I would actively rally against including more powerful items being rewarded for completing raids, as that would be counter-productive to what I seek: the challenge. We are too powerful as is, I don't want to get moreso. I want to engage in difficult combat that requires use of my skills, equipment and ability to work in a team to conquer a larger goal. THAT is my ideal reward.

    And just because someone has a new shiny, does not make it mandatory that you must also have it.

    Let me ask you this: would you like to have additional content that required a group effort and a good understanding of your build and abilities to defeat? Just that, nothing about rewards or leet snobs. (Because truly these things are not mutually exclusive.)

    I would be completely neutral on it, I may play it, may not.

    But on the subject of raiding, you could call it bad past experience...I've seen the pattern repeated in pretty much every mainstream MMO since the beginning. If they added your hard content, the time would be measured in minutes until the forum was full of demands for the best rewards to be there...and then it goes downhill.

    Anyway, not going to discuss it further, because I don't feel like arguing with my fanclub.
  • vermatrixvermatrix Member Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    you know what gets me ive had worse happen to me

    lets see someone i thought was a girl pretending to be one for 6 months when i found out their response "it was the only way i knew how to make friends"

    Round second base only to find a bat on the field? lol who couldn't have predicted that? 99% of the female characters in any mmo game are really guys.

    Anywho, lets see, where is STO going? Well, we passed the dinosaurs with laser cannons, so I predict next will come elves and fairies with laser guns, the removal of all sector blocks and replacing them with a big square room with Earth, New Romulus, and Qo'nos in it as a big parking space where we all log on and just sit there while we do stuff by clicking buttons on the HUD which will make marks appear which is the new currency of the game, required to access all aspects of what's left of the game except of course the pay to use stuff and the game will be renamed Grindtrek Online, that's my prediction. Oh, and all the ships will be scrapped in favor of 1 ship design which will be a large square box with no windows or anything. :eek: lol
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  • ricorosebudricorosebud Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I would be completely neutral on it, I may play it, may not.

    But on the subject of raiding, you could call it bad past experience...I've seen the pattern repeated in pretty much every mainstream MMO since the beginning. If they added your hard content, the time would be measured in minutes until the forum was full of demands for the best rewards to be there...and then it goes downhill.

    Anyway, not going to discuss it further, because I don't feel like arguing with my fanclub.

    Then, I can extrapolate you are not opposed to raids, just the things that seemingly 'go with them'. As I said previously, those things need not be true here and I would find the content itself the reward. Just as many share this mindset as the "must have shiny loots to do it" crowd I assure you. Some people are just louder than others.

    Besides, when have the developers listened to requests made on the forums?

    A discussion need not be an argument! :)
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    vermatrix wrote: »
    Round second base only to find a bat on the field? lol who couldn't have predicted that? 99% of the female characters in any mmo game are really guys.

    Anywho, lets see, where is STO going? Well, we passed the dinosaurs with laser cannons, so I predict next will come elves and fairies with laser guns, the removal of all sector blocks and replacing them with a big square room with Earth, New Romulus, and Qo'nos in it as a big parking space where we all log on and just sit there while we do stuff by clicking buttons on the HUD which will make marks appear which is the new currency of the game, required to access all aspects of what's left of the game except of course the pay to use stuff and the game will be renamed Grindtrek Online, that's my prediction. Oh, and all the ships will be scrapped in favor of 1 ship design which will be a large square box with no windows or anything. :eek: lol

    well wow was my frist ever mmo started around 2007 to 2010 when sto went to beta but was new to the whole thing at the time trust me now i got to see you on video for me to believe you a girl now i dont even believe if i here you on TS3 or vent because any one can get a voice changer program
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • ricorosebudricorosebud Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    vermatrix wrote: »
    so I predict next will come elves and fairies with laser guns

    Vulcans with phasers. Of which I am one.

    :cool:


    Back on topic, I am hopeful for the future and eagerly await what X2 will bring.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Massive changes to gameplay? I don't remember the last time I used a crafting station or wandered into the buggy and no-less-repetitive-than-everything-else exploration missions. Most of the other changes in S9.5 are mere tweaks compared to the crafting overhaul.

    Because you didn't play the content, doesn't mean others didn't. There are plenty of people not happy with them getting rid of Exploration content. And nobody is happy over the EC nerfs either, especially how prices are going to go nuts on the exchange.
  • vermatrixvermatrix Member Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Who else thinks the next new ship will be a giant lock box with pylons and nacelles sticking out? wonder if it will be science, tactical, or engineering
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    vermatrix wrote: »
    Who else thinks the next new ship will be a giant lock box with pylons and nacelles sticking out? wonder if it will be science, tactical, or engineering

    rumor has it the next one is a fish tank ;)
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Where is STO headed? Off of my computer if they don't fix the graphical lag in ground combat :P.The Voth battlezone goes to a low 5 frames per second When I'm near a V-Rex. Wasn't a problem until season 9. I can run Crysis on Ultra high, but I cant run STO on medium? What's going on? Seriously... Don't eff around with the graphics anymore please. Just fix whatever you did. I had STO running perfect, then you go and TRIBBLE up something with season 9. Cryptic just stop. I just wanna play the game.
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    My honest opinion about STO:

    The future isn't as bright as we think... TRIBBLE over the hardcore gamers for a bunch of people with an attention span of a fruit fly isn't a good idea. STO is turning into the 'Wii'. Yeah it's fun now and making good money now, but it will fade, and fade fast. I hope not, but personally I'm getting bored.
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    Where is STO headed? Off of my computer if they don't fix the graphical lag in ground combat :P.The Voth battlezone goes to a low 5 frames per second When I'm near a V-Rex. Wasn't a problem until season 9. I can run Crysis on Ultra high, but I cant run STO on medium? What's going on? Seriously... Don't eff around with the graphics anymore please. Just fix whatever you did. I had STO running perfect, then you go and TRIBBLE up something with season 9. Cryptic just stop. I just wanna play the game.
    --End rant--


    My honest opinion about STO:

    The future isn't as bright as we think... TRIBBLE over the hardcore gamers for a bunch of people with an attention span of a fruit fly isn't a good idea. STO is turning into the 'Wii'. Yeah it's fun now and making good money now, but it will fade, and fade fast. I hope not, but personally I'm getting bored.

    What she said^ :/
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »

    Really? Disney is buying out Cryptic Studios from PWE?:eek::D:P;)
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  • ricorosebudricorosebud Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    Where is STO headed? Off of my computer if they don't fix the graphical lag in ground combat :P.The Voth battlezone goes to a low 5 frames per second When I'm near a V-Rex. Wasn't a problem until season 9. I can run Crysis on Ultra high, but I cant run STO on medium? What's going on? Seriously... Don't eff around with the graphics anymore please. Just fix whatever you did. I had STO running perfect, then you go and TRIBBLE up something with season 9. Cryptic just stop. I just wanna play the game.
    --End rant--


    My honest opinion about STO:

    The future isn't as bright as we think... TRIBBLE over the hardcore gamers for a bunch of people with an attention span of a fruit fly isn't a good idea. STO is turning into the 'Wii'. Yeah it's fun now and making good money now, but it will fade, and fade fast. I hope not, but personally I'm getting bored.

    Those statements in green are legitimate concerns. I agree with them.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Because you didn't play the content, doesn't mean others didn't. There are plenty of people not happy with them getting rid of Exploration content. And nobody is happy over the EC nerfs either, especially how prices are going to go nuts on the exchange.

    Well,doesn't this also apply to the Dyson Sphere stuff. Personally, I loved that. Sure, I don't neccessarilly needed dinos with lasers on their head, but the Battle Zones are pretty much the best type of non-story content they could add IMO. You can play their non-stop, without loading screens and what not, and you get to play your character and use all his abilities. And there are even mini-objectives beyond "kill everything", so there is a bit more variety than the typical "kill 5 ship/NPC" exploration cluster mission.

    If Queues are empty (and they are only for particular type of missions, Infected Elite can be run non-stop for example), I think most are because people spend their time in the battle zones because they find it more fun and rewarding than the alternatives.

    (And that's kinda what Geko's problem with "too much content" may be - there is a lot of it, but people only want to play the most fun or rewarding, so some content gets practically ignored. Stuff like time limited events are probably the way Cryptic tries to fight that. Not sure that's the best way. But balancing the time/reward for very different missions will always be very difficult, and even a tiny margin will get many people to gravitate towards the most efficient.)
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Well,doesn't this also apply to the Dyson Sphere stuff. Personally, I loved that. Sure, I don't neccessarilly needed dinos with lasers on their head, but the Battle Zones are pretty much the best type of non-story content they could add IMO. You can play their non-stop, without loading screens and what not, and you get to play your character and use all his abilities. And there are even mini-objectives beyond "kill everything", so there is a bit more variety than the typical "kill 5 ship/NPC" exploration cluster mission.

    If Queues are empty (and they are only for particular type of missions, Infected Elite can be run non-stop for example), I think most are because people spend their time in the battle zones because they find it more fun and rewarding than the alternatives.

    (And that's kinda what Geko's problem with "too much content" may be - there is a lot of it, but people only want to play the most fun or rewarding, so some content gets practically ignored. Stuff like time limited events are probably the way Cryptic tries to fight that. Not sure that's the best way. But balancing the time/reward for very different missions will always be very difficult, and even a tiny margin will get many people to gravitate towards the most efficient.)

    maybe i should go tip blizz off they need to remove content ppl are not playing low level stuff any more think its got to much content.............................................. you know how absurd that sounds
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Well,doesn't this also apply to the Dyson Sphere stuff. Personally, I loved that. Sure, I don't neccessarilly needed dinos with lasers on their head, but the Battle Zones are pretty much the best type of non-story content they could add IMO. You can play their non-stop, without loading screens and what not, and you get to play your character and use all his abilities. And there are even mini-objectives beyond "kill everything", so there is a bit more variety than the typical "kill 5 ship/NPC" exploration cluster mission.

    If Queues are empty (and they are only for particular type of missions, Infected Elite can be run non-stop for example), I think most are because people spend their time in the battle zones because they find it more fun and rewarding than the alternatives.

    (And that's kinda what Geko's problem with "too much content" may be - there is a lot of it, but people only want to play the most fun or rewarding, so some content gets practically ignored. Stuff like time limited events are probably the way Cryptic tries to fight that. Not sure that's the best way. But balancing the time/reward for very different missions will always be very difficult, and even a tiny margin will get many people to gravitate towards the most efficient.)

    Personally, this type of thinking is why STO is going more Star Wars Clone Adventures "MMO" than a more story-driven Star Wars The Old Republic "MMO" (though TOR has started to put out more Clone Wars Adventures-style content). Its going to be to the point, where we don't get qued content anymore, but pure adventure zone, to the point even the most loyal of STO player will be why am I shooting at a Viidian? Dev response will be "because it was in an episode".
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