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magniacapramagniacapra Member Posts: 544 Arc User
edited June 2014 in PvP Gameplay
After not really paying attention for 2-3 months, I had a look at the tribble patch notes to see what their latest big thing was.

Crafting, not only crafting, but the wishy washy - what's the point? type feature that's thoroughly undermined by and bound by the same crummy rep-system with layers of RNG that you start to wonder whether they forgot the whole reason for the rep-store in the first place.

I pop over to the general forums to see no one is really happy.


Then I wonder what would have happened if a similar level of resources was focused on PvP....


hahaha...


Maybe we dodged a bullet...




...Well yes, metaphorically speaking, I'm well aware that you can't actually kill a rotting corpse.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    It is certainly a case of 'be careful what you wish for, you just might get it', eh?
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    what gives, fix it or kill it! both is better progression than leaving it suffering lol (at least we'd be "FREEE" if they'd kill it :D)
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    it and the doff system are in alpha right now, i wouldn't be surprised if the RNG all but disappears after all the feedback they will get for the next wile from people that care about this stuff.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    it and the doff system are in alpha right now, i wouldn't be surprised if the RNG all but disappears after all the feedback they will get for the next wile from people that care about this stuff.

    They have time if there shooting for end of July. They can still make changes and make the system not horrible.

    Lets just hope they figured they would throw out the worst numbers they could imagine first to see how it would fly. Sort of like when you start a negotiation and quote triple the price to see how much profit you can really make. lol
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  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    My advice, Don't listen to forumite doom sayers, Get on tribble, decide for yourself

    I've lost count of the number of posts containing misinformation on the revamp
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    adverbero wrote: »
    My advice, Don't listen to forumite doom sayers, Get on tribble, decide for yourself

    I've lost count of the number of posts containing misinformation on the revamp

    oh the last thing you want to do is go on tribble and look at it as it is NOW lol. its a bit horrifying curently, if it was near final doom would be right
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    oh the last thing you want to do is go on tribble and look at it as it is NOW lol. its a bit horrifying curently, if it was near final doom would be right

    Still better than relying on often faulty second hand information
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  • loverofwarsloverofwars Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited June 2014


    Maybe we dodged a bullet...




    ...Well yes, metaphorically speaking, I'm well aware that you can't actually kill a rotting corpse.

    dunno on that one crafting was dead most seem to consider the new system completely dead they killed something that was already dead..that takes skill :cool:
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    adverbero wrote: »
    My advice, Don't listen to forumite doom sayers, Get on tribble, decide for yourself

    I've lost count of the number of posts containing misinformation on the revamp

    It's kind of a trip, a bad trip, how much of that was going on - much of it looking pretty purposeful and happening after a certain thread got shutdown.
  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    In July.. there will be a new form of PVx....

    PvC.. Player Vs Crafting.. And unless they impliment a way to convert large stacks of materials to the new system quickly.. macros WILL be required. :P
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  • ankokunekoankokuneko Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dunno on that one crafting was dead most seem to consider the new system completely dead they killed something that was already dead..that takes skill :cool:

    Remember, before embassy came out crafting gave you endgame kits, and before kit revamp crafting gave 2nd best kits, now crafting truly is dead. They managed to make something unimaginably useless even more useless
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  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2014
    Yeah, honestly the only reason to do the 'new' crafting is to get access to the new character traits. But it's absolutely worthless for making items.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    illcadia wrote: »
    Yeah, honestly the only reason to do the 'new' crafting is to get access to the new character traits. But it's absolutely worthless for making items.

    So uh...somebody doing FAW with arrays that can proc a BO hit is worthless?

    There's going to be all sorts of nifty things to complain about!
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    So uh...somebody doing FAW with arrays that can proc a BO hit is worthless?

    There's going to be all sorts of nifty things to complain about!

    ....... wut?
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ....... wut?

    It was one of the things mentioned in the podcast for crafting. There are going to be special procs only available on crafting items. One that was mentioned was a proc that would make a beam hit into a BO beam hit. There were no details about it - it was just mentioned ever so briefly as an example.

    It came up in one thread where we speculated madly about it, though - lol. Tidbits of info like that can be dangerous! :P

    Hopefully we see the stuff and can test it while it is on Tribble, eh?
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    It was one of the things mentioned in the podcast for crafting. There are going to be special procs only available on crafting items. One that was mentioned was a proc that would make a beam hit into a BO beam hit. There were no details about it - it was just mentioned ever so briefly as an example.

    It came up in one thread where we speculated madly about it, though - lol. Tidbits of info like that can be dangerous! :P

    Hopefully we see the stuff and can test it while it is on Tribble, eh?

    Typical Cryptic idea though... nothing better then that 1 in 100 hit that ends people. STO is one of the worst MMOs for the WTF was that junk.
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  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Also , Craftable 360 degree arc Beams ( you can only slot one at a time) so if you like the Omi direction but would prefer say, a Polaron Variety, there you go, craft one
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    saw some [arc] DHC, only 1 again. and some wired plasma torp and RCS console. this only 1 equipped at once TRIBBLE, will make crafting SUPER easy to ignore entirely.
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    saw some [arc] DHC, only 1 again. and some wired plasma torp and RCS console. this only 1 equipped at once TRIBBLE, will make crafting SUPER easy to ignore entirely.

    Ignore it then, thats your prerogative to do so

    I personally have an interest in in crafting these more niche weapons, more of which continue to be announced as time goes by
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    edit: See Hawk's post below...I'm deleting my bad info.

    Keeping this though...cause that's just cool, right?

    "And oh man...Plasma Poo Torps?"
  • adjudicatorhawkadjudicatorhawk Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    So you can craft 5 more to go with the AP one...allowing you to run 6x 360 Arrays.

    Dude, that's rainbow nonsense!

    No, right now, you can only equip one of ANY of them. So you can use one - of whatever shade of rainbow you prefer - but you can't have a 360 degree beamboat. That'd be over the top.
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  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2014
    Hey Hawk, will the TR-116B's alternate sniper attack be similar to the old TR-116A's? By that I mean, will it not require Line of Sight to hit enemies? And it will be immune against Borg, correct?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    No, right now, you can only equip one of ANY of them. So you can use one - of whatever shade of rainbow you prefer - but you can't have a 360 degree beamboat. That'd be over the top.

    Awwwwww....totally misread that then. That's no fun! You suck! I'm going to tell everybody! :P

    Heh, well then - I did totally misread that then...and...I'm glad you clarified it. Seriously, I am - cause looking at some of the stuff and wondering...

    There's the RCS with weapon mods - which, perhaps somewhere down the line we might actually get to select them at additional cost (just based on the "future" possibilities stuff mentioned by Gekp in reference to other items - he in no way specifically said we would be able to do that with this specific gear, etc, etc, etc)...so we might [CrtH]x2 a RCS...might end up with Neuts and Monos too, right? CrtH or CrtD them up. Same for that Sci console, eh? Might be others along those lines?

    Hard to believe it wasn't all that long ago that it was [CrtH] on weapons, Weapon Specialization, and the Borg module...and that was that.

    Hrmm, sorry - I can't ramble in my normal way - I keep going back to just how poorly I misread that. And it was an obvious misread on my part - you were very clear. It was completely mea culpa, and I hate being the source of any bad info like that.

    "any" instead of "each"...totally mea culpa.

    Thanks, Hawk.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    To be honest though... building a ship of 360 degree weapons would be dumb.

    Thanks to faw and beam array arcs we already have 360 degree boats... why sacrifice an actual useful mod when... doing the disco ball is already the standards PvE mode of play.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    To be honest though... building a ship of 360 degree weapons would be dumb.

    Thanks to faw and beam array arcs we already have 360 degree boats... why sacrifice an actual useful mod when... doing the disco ball is already the standards PvE mode of play.

    But haven't they been working on nuking the arc play? As in weapons that no longer continue to fire when out of arc? Heh, thought you were the one that brought that up with the problems I was having with my Torp Spreads dropping out fewer than anticipated torps because I was cutting the arcs and it had started to matter at some point.

    Thus folks trying to dance arcs with FAW wouldn't be able to do so - they wouldn't have the fake overlap and would be limited to the actual 70 degree overlap.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    But haven't they been working on nuking the arc play? As in weapons that no longer continue to fire when out of arc? Heh, thought you were the one that brought that up with the problems I was having with my Torp Spreads dropping out fewer than anticipated torps because I was cutting the arcs and it had started to matter at some point.

    Thus folks trying to dance arcs with FAW wouldn't be able to do so - they wouldn't have the fake overlap and would be limited to the actual 70 degree overlap.

    All they have to do is keep people broad side... hardly a hard thing to do.

    To be honest the arch shutting off junk is totally exploitable (not that kind of exploit) by escorts anyway. Throw arrays on back instead of silly turrets... DBB in front and when you rock the arc plain all your weapon power comes back instantly and you can use it to time overloads ect.

    IMO the change doesn't really hurt the silly beaming faw cruisers... and makes escorts with beams far more deadly as power return instantly and a weapon ready to go by doing a quick wiggle is OP.
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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    My vesta is going to love a 360 phaser beam for subsystem targeting :)

    EDIT: oh and my dsd will like a polaron one too :)
    Looks like some neat stuff coming out :)
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    All they have to do is keep people broad side... hardly a hard thing to do.

    To be honest the arch shutting off junk is totally exploitable (not that kind of exploit) by escorts anyway. Throw arrays on back instead of silly turrets... DBB in front and when you rock the arc plain all your weapon power comes back instantly and you can use it to time overloads ect.

    IMO the change doesn't really hurt the silly beaming faw cruisers... and makes escorts with beams far more deadly as power return instantly and a weapon ready to go by doing a quick wiggle is OP.

    Hrmm, I probably haven't noticed it of late...I know I've grumbled about wiggling in the past, but my beamscort is mainly just a case of supporting my laziness. I fly around going wheeee. :D
  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,352 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    No, right now, you can only equip one of ANY of them. So you can use one - of whatever shade of rainbow you prefer - but you can't have a 360 degree beamboat. That'd be over the top.

    Have you given any thought to 360-degree beam turrets as a standard weapon type? By this, I mean a weapon that works like a turret except it has a different animation and works with beam abilities and consoles. The main purpose would be to allow people to equip DBBs in the front and beam turrets in the rear.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    No, right now, you can only equip one of ANY of them. So you can use one - of whatever shade of rainbow you prefer - but you can't have a 360 degree beamboat. That'd be over the top.

    they have the DPS of turrets, the last thing id describe an 8 omni beam boat as is over the top.

    id ask for heavy single cannons being a craftable thing too, but you guys would probably ruin that by making them equip 1 only as well.
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