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Ker'rat or Arena based PvP - & why?

dius1981dius1981 Member Posts: 500
edited June 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Sup all,


Just wanting to gauge if you personally prefer Ker'rat based PvP or Arena based PvP & why that preference?


For me Its Ker'rat something about it not being so pressured as Arena and the fluidness of the PvP you get there.

I often find, being a KDF player, you are outnumbered the majority of the time while in Ker'rat. Although that doesn't necessarily mean you are destined to get lolstomped.

On the contrary, from my prospective at least, the smaller KDF player base in most Ker'rat zones often perform better then the larger FED presence.
And who doesn't like an underdog =)

If I had any sort of input as to the direction STO PvP was to go, I personally would like them to expand on similar concepts as Ker'rat.
PvP battle zones with worth while PvE objectives. Where killing your opponent a certain number of times is not the primary objective.

OF course, I would like them to address the issue of spawn camping and maybe even establish a dedicated area within Ker'rat for 1v1's, such as what most players do now above the Cracked planet.


Sooo anywayz.... What do you prefer & why?

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  • blessedladyboyblessedladyboy Member Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I much prefer arena, a proper competitive fight. Kerrat is all about ganking noobs there is zero challenge and its all for nothing. never liked PvP with pve objectives...rubbish.
  • fatman592fatman592 Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I prefer Ker'rat, though I've only gone into the queues about a dozen times just trying to Kirk.

    I mostly show up as a Fed but show up in my Klink sometimes. I was once that guy crying about the op KDF cloakers, then I experienced it from the KDF side. Usually 1v5-10 are pretty steep odds, which pretty much demands hit and run tactics.

    Needless to say, I don't have KDF envy any longer.

    I posted a while back advocating for a new open PvPvE zone. At this point, I really think mixed zones are pretty much the only PvP content we may ever get.

    But I totally agree, the fluidity of combat (minus the stupid reset) is really nice compared to waiting for the queues. I'm not a fan of the spamball nature of queue combat either. Yes, the same thing happens in Ker'rat, but one can choose not to participate. And I've had some epic 1v1s and fun moments that would never happen in a queue match.

    All I really want is kind of a Cap and Hold open PvPvE zone. Get marks for holding points with defending and attacking NPCs (participation reward) and bonus marks for PvP kills (performance reward). But most of all, just make the zone relatively bug free.

    I rambled a bit, but those are my more than 2ec on this subject...
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  • blahhdreyblahhdrey Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Ker'rat is great but I prefer Arena. The why: I love developing synergistic builds and strategies, working with my team in-game to adjust tactics, and the prospect of a real brawl between two well-prepared teams. 1v1 and ganking can be fun and a nice diversion, but I really enjoy the complexity of pressure-cooker arena matches between two high-end premades. There is just so much more going on in a really good arena match. Do the ships and builds on a team mesh? Are the players comfortable with one another or better still, able to predict one another? How coordinated is each team, and how well do they notice and take advantage of weakness? A good arena match is (to me) the most fun that you can have playing STO.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    My answer is not really Ker'rat vs. Arena, as much as it is I prefer Scenario PvP to Team Deathmatch PvP.

    Capture the Flag, Escort/Assassination, Assault/Defend, Point Control, Conquest, etc, etc, etc, all the various different names for different types of scenario PvP that have come up in various FPS/TPS/RTS/MMO games over the years...

    The need for strategy as well as tactics, having to adapt on a much larger scale, etc, etc, etc - having everything that Arena/Deathmatch does and so much more...

    ...Cryptic could do a much better job on Scenario PvP than they have with Ker'rat and CnH, imo. But I still prefer it to Arena.

    edit: Could be part of why I complain about the RNG in this game...it steals so much of the actual play away.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    They're both about the same level of suck
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  • dius1981dius1981 Member Posts: 500
    edited June 2014
    I totally agree that two well-prepared teams in an Arena environment is pretty much the pinnacle of competitive PvP in STO.

    My problem, and this is pretty much the only issue I can think of, is the ground work you need to do before hand to actually make said matches happen.

    From my experience those sorts of matches 'two well-prepared teams' or 'two high-end premades' is not something that just happens in Arena atm.

    At least not without organising it on the forums ahead of time.

    Other then that though, I would have to agree...

    In a perfect world, incorporating conquest - RvR taking and losing territory on the galaxy map depending on victories of defeats in Arena PvP would be awesome.

    But I think that would take some major work on the part of the dev team to re-design the galaxy map and incorporate territorial conquest of some sort.

    Would love to see that happen though... =)

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  • mindsharpmindsharp Member Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I have to agree with Zan. Premade arena is the best fun PvP has to offer.

    However Ker'rat can be really entertaining. Ker'rat Zone chat is probably the funniest stuff you will see in STO. :D Best thing I ever saw was a fed complaining about someone in that certain KDF fleet that everyone hates (see sig) and saying "even when he clears all the feds he doesnt kill the borg"

    I really miss the reset furball though. Was good times.
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I play Kerrat while waiting for Arena to pop.

    Arena's fun when I want to be competitive. Not that I necessarily have any success at it. Kerrat's good when I want to goof off with no pressure. Different areas for different times.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Arena...never any real players in kerrat when I'm there...

    Atleast in arena there will be at least one decent player I'm opposing
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  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I prefer Cap'N'Hold/Ker'rat. Why? Arena is a gigantic cheesey fusterclucking graphical nightmare. It can be fun in a balanced match, but I haven't had a fun match for months. That's why I stick to the CnH queues and Kerrat.
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  • jangoak47jangoak47 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Personally I'd have to say Kerrat, I enjoy the unrestricted feel it has, I just wish It didn't have those damn resets, and the ability to change zones at will.

    Personally I think it would be cool if cryptic put a floating boxing arena for people to 1v1 in lol
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited June 2014
    Both have their place. Ker'rat is more dynamic and unpredictable but totally unbalanced. Arena is more structured and promotes team play.
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  • solarstreaksolarstreak Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    As a fed Ker'rat is boring most times, for me at least, usually only a 1-3 klingons in zone if at all. As a klingon I could see how it could be fun since the zone would be full of potential targets, but most are really bad and make even half decent players appear unbeatable. When I see 4-5 fed ships struggling to down 1 experienced klingon player it makes me wonder... are they firing at him with no weapon power or what lol.

    Then there is the smack talk which can be entertaining for a while but gets old at least to me. Some of those people have killed a few too many farmers and it has gone to their head or something it seems. There is hardly any smack talk in arenas by comparison, even though the average level of play is much higher in my experience.

    Ker'rat is interesting though because of how the battles can escalate, reminds of eve online in that way, even though much smaller scale. The possibility for 1v1 etc is also neat. But overall I like the 5v5 format of arena.
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  • rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I'm definitely a Ker'rat fan for several reasons:

    1. The casual feel and random, unpredictable nature. When I warp into Ker'rat, I never know what I'll find. It could be empty/full of farmers. Or there could be a raging fedball/klinkball to which I can immediately join in. Not knowing what I'll get is half the fun.

    2. The sense of community. There are a number of Ker'rat regulars who have become my friends over the past year or so. This is true on both sides of the faction fence. Some of us have running duels (I'm looking at you, Hek'lar/Neepa/Tor'ach) that can span days or even weeks. Others just automatically come together via an unspoken "wingman" bond (Zero, you da man!). And when one or more "colorful" players warps in (think Minimax in his vaper build, or Scora in her FBP boat), the place goes nuts while everyone tries to track them down and get the kill.

    3. The opportunity to hone skills/perfect builds. It's hard to experiment with PvP tactics and gear from within the pressure cooker environment of an Arena match. Ker'rat gives new players the chance to try different strategies without undermining their team. At the same time, veterans get the chance to try out new builds and generally tune their gameplay before jumping into the queues.

    4. Zone Chat. Absolutely hilarious at times. Enough said. :P

    So, while I understand the need for the formalized Arena format, I believe that Ker'rat does more to create a sense of a PvP "community" in-game while providing a rich stomping ground for testing, chatting or just goofing around. I'd :D

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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Arena, or even better 10vs10 OPVP matches.

    Ker'rat is fun to me just if there isn't queue running or when there are known faces. Otherwise, it's full of whining kids who can't accept being destroyed in 2 vs 1... with me as solo.
  • freenos85freenos85 Member Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Arena
    It promotes teamplay and thus creates a more flexible enviroment. I don't have to build a nearly self sufficient build, because i can rely on my teamate to fill the roles i can't. Also, the level of play in the Arena is higher, at least from what i have experienced. But that doesn't mean much, cause i mainly play on the fed side and there are nearly never more then 3 KDF players in a single zone, so judging from this limited pool of people, i could very well be wrong.
  • nandospcnandospc Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Arena, absolutely. Not only because it promotes teamplay, in Arena you can adapt on the fly based on enemies strategies, you can change playstile and, personally, it's better than kerrat because you have to play together with other teammates to do a kill and beat the other team, it's satisfying ;)
    Btw, in Ker'rat i never find good players 'cause the game always puts me in the wrong # instance -_-", so it's just boring most of the times...
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  • jaegernljaegernl Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    For me, it's Ker'rat or Cap and Hold at the moment. Why? Well, my PC cannot really handle the graphical poopstorm that some Arena matches turn into. In Ker'rat - while S9 has really derped my fps - I can still play, although I prefer to take a cloaker in there for hit and run, because my Sci tends to draw a lot of attention and gets 1 frame-per-seconded.

    Also, the banter in Ker'rat is great. Especially with people flying around there like the guy that wanted Ker'rat removed because he can't farm there in peace. Fun place to practice a bit of vaping, just like CnH. Not because the enemy is so tough - they're usually farming nubs - but because I suck at timing.

    But my new PC should arrive this week. Maybe I could have some fun in Arena now.
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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    nandospc wrote: »
    Arena, absolutely. Not only because it promotes teamplay, in Arena you can adapt on the fly based on enemies strategies, you can change playstile and, personally, it's better than kerrat because you have to play together with other teammates to do a kill and beat the other team, it's satisfying ;)
    Btw, in Ker'rat i never find good players 'cause the game always puts me in the wrong # instance -_-", so it's just boring most of the times...

    Soon all you will see there will be two Defiants, mini's and mine :D

    Then ask a KDF BoP to scramble us and start vaping feds as well, if you know what I mean.
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Ker'rat for the win. It's great. You're not forced into some loser team where no one helps you, it's optional. If you're a lone wolf like me and don't rely on anyone, Ker'rat is perfect. If you like wining because of you and only you, do 1vs1's in kerrat. One thing I can't stand is losing because of someone else. PVP teams are repulsive to me. This is why I love kerrat. Oh, the Ker'rat's chat is the best chat in STO. A little hostile, but always funny. :)

    I understand people believe this is a team game. That's only because there's no official 1vs1 options available. 1vs1 very possible, and this coming from the best STO 1vs1 player in the history of the universe.
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  • jaegernljaegernl Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Oh dear Lord, that sig, :D.
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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    Ker'rat for the win. It's great. You're not forced into some loser team where no one helps you, it's optional. If you're a lone wolf like me and don't rely on anyone, Ker'rat is perfect. If you like wining because of you and only you, do 1vs1's in kerrat. One thing I can't stand is losing because of someone else. PVP teams are repulsive to me. This is why I love kerrat. Oh, the Ker'rat's chat is the best chat in STO. A little hostile, but always funny. :)

    Dunno if I should consider Earth Spaceduck as best or worst zone chat... it's hard pick...
    I can stand losing to someone else. After all, if team sucks, it doesn't mean I suck or stuff like that. Still, when i'm in Ker'rat I decline team invites. I prefer to be a lone wolf ad well, on a Scimi... cloaked... roaming around... dodging subnukes :D
    atlantra wrote: »
    I understand people believe this is a team game. That's only because there's no official 1vs1 options available. 1vs1 very possible
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  • dius1981dius1981 Member Posts: 500
    edited June 2014
    Not that I would consider a zone chat to be a deciding factor in my preference... lol
    But Ker'rat zone chat is hilarious pretty much all the time.... =P


    Also a huge factor for me that someone else mentioned is ability to call people out on the fly.
    "U Feddys gank real good, can any of you 1v1?" Etc etc ;)

    Most peeps know that above cracked planet in Ker'rat is considered the 1v1 area... for the most part at least.

    Am not saying you never get ganked there, sure it happens, but for the most part people respect the cracked rule.

    You find when you are fighting 1v1 their you usually get a bit of an audience. Respectful players that will just come over and watch you fight it out. And hopefully learn something just from observing 2 skilled players go at it.


    The more you frequent Ker'rat the more you find its not all that cut throat at all.

    In-fact, if another player was to interfere while a 1v1 was in progress, an there are other players around just watching. They will target the aggressor... for jumping in the fight.
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  • jaegernljaegernl Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dius1981 wrote: »
    You find when you are fighting 1v1 their you usually get a bit of an audience. Respectful players that will just come over and watch you fight it out. And hopefully learn something just from observing 2 skilled players go at it.

    That's actually how I got my first PvP-lessons in the game. Watch people from ISC or some other Ker'rat fleet go at eachother. Gave me some pretty good info on what counters what, if you actually pay attention to peoples buffs.
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  • dius1981dius1981 Member Posts: 500
    edited June 2014
    jaegernl wrote: »
    That's actually how I got my first PvP-lessons in the game. Watch people from ISC or some other Ker'rat fleet go at eachother. Gave me some pretty good info on what counters what, if you actually pay attention to peoples buffs.

    Ding ding ding... we have a winner... :)

    So it dose happen, I myself have learned LOADS just from watching 2 very good players taking chunks out of one another above the cracked, or elsewhere in Ker'rat.
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  • fonz71fonz71 Member Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    blessedladyboy wrote: »
    I much prefer arena, a proper competitive fight. Kerrat is all about ganking noobs there is zero challenge and its all for nothing. never liked PvP with pve objectives...rubbish.

    Hey!!! i represent that remark! >:-(

    anyway, i have 10 toons and they are all parked in or outside of kerrat. though i haven't played in a few weeks, kerrat is the only reason i log in from time to time for all the reasons others have already mentioned.

    for myself, i don't like arena because i don't want to build my ship around a team. i want to play with my builds and try many things. some things work well others are miserable fails. lol the fun in experimenting is where it's at for me.

    i agree with you Dius, being the underdog is the best way to go in there. ^^ never gets boring. buuuuuuuuuuuut...... since roms were introduced the 'vape' build seems to be the only way to go anymore. out of ten toons [b4 rom] i only had one that cloaked. now with all the fromulans running their gank squads, all my toons cloak. :( if i go on there with a non cloaking ship it has to be when there are even numbers or i am constantly ganked by every fed in the zone lol.

    i know, that's just the way it goes, but it gets boring fast, as does running a vape build. decloak.... boom.... run.... rinse and repeat. :(

    i miss the days b4 roms, when we all spawned in on the same side and epic battles ensued for kdf to get their spawn back :D

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  • dius1981dius1981 Member Posts: 500
    edited June 2014
    fonz71 wrote: »
    for myself, i don't like arena because i don't want to build my ship around a team. i want to play with my builds and try many things. some things work well others are miserable fails. lol the fun in experimenting is where it's at for me.

    I hear ya on that one as well Fonz, different solo build and just experimenting with stuff is another reason why Ker'rat works well.

    Although of late I have kinda stepped away from cloaking ships myself. Haven't used my scimitard in months really...

    My Rom Sci KDF - is using the - Undine Nicor Bio-Warship.

    My Rem Eng KDF - is using the - Ferenghi D'kora.

    Both ships with those classes are crazy fun. Much more fun then my Scimi vape build.

    Even the Hirogen Hunter on a Tac is awesome. If you haven't got one you should give it a go mate, guarantee you will love it!

    D,
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  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ilove kerrat love it cant do without it have to have it .ahhh kerrat I at first thought well there are a lot of feds here then I realized its really not that bad for klinks as you will usually have more fed as a LOT more people play fed but I learned the rub was quantiy does not mean quality so when I would watch a klink go into A party of 5 feds and kill 3 of them before they could kill him im like yeah it seems even as there are a lot of bad fed players so it evens it self out karma wise lol but then you have those days when all the guys on fed side are vets of kerrat ...or on the klink side they get like 5 klinks in there and they are vets too..................then its tasty tasty murder
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  • tfomegatfomega Member Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    blessedladyboy wrote: »
    I much prefer arena, a proper competitive fight. Kerrat is all about ganking noobs there is zero challenge and its all for nothing. never liked PvP with pve objectives...rubbish.

    I can do both.. and if one learns to survive the gank, they can definitely survive being pounded by an organized team of 5... Both areas teach specific skills
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  • tfomegatfomega Member Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    fonz71 wrote: »
    Hey!!! i represent that remark! >:-(

    anyway, i have 10 toons and they are all parked in or outside of kerrat. though i haven't played in a few weeks, kerrat is the only reason i log in from time to time for all the reasons others have already mentioned.

    for myself, i don't like arena because i don't want to build my ship around a team. i want to play with my builds and try many things. some things work well others are miserable fails. lol the fun in experimenting is where it's at for me.

    i agree with you Dius, being the underdog is the best way to go in there. ^^ never gets boring. buuuuuuuuuuuut...... since roms were introduced the 'vape' build seems to be the only way to go anymore. out of ten toons [b4 rom] i only had one that cloaked. now with all the fromulans running their gank squads, all my toons cloak. :( if i go on there with a non cloaking ship it has to be when there are even numbers or i am constantly ganked by every fed in the zone lol.

    i know, that's just the way it goes, but it gets boring fast, as does running a vape build. decloak.... boom.... run.... rinse and repeat. :(

    i miss the days b4 roms, when we all spawned in on the same side and epic battles ensued for kdf to get their spawn back :D

    post script; i support no reset and red fed in kerrat!!

    no kidding fonz.. where the TRIBBLE ya been?
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