This thread is funny, because when the Fleet Defiant & Fleet Prometheus were introduced, overnight, they made the entire KDF Raptor & Destroyer lineup completely obsolete. Freebie, C-Store, Fleet versions. Didn't matter, they were all obsolete, and the gap has gotten only wider by June 2014.
Now Feds are complaining that the Defiant is worthless :rolleyes:
It used to be, that 5 TAC Escorts outside the JHAS had to have serious concessions to get those 5 TAC console slots. Defiant & Prometheus paid for it with having Lt ENG stations. Today? Cryptic throws 5 TAC Consoles around like they ***** around Universal BOFF stations. The latest Fed Escort, the revamped Patrol Escort, is utterly ridiculous in both regards.
Then again, there's the Warbirds that still make everything else obsolete no matter what you do.
That Power... It be creepin', don't it?
Unfortunately it ain't creeping towards Qo'nos.........
This thread is funny, because when the Fleet Defiant & Fleet Prometheus were introduced, overnight, they made the entire KDF Raptor & Destroyer lineup completely obsolete. Freebie, C-Store, Fleet versions. Didn't matter, they were all obsolete, and the gap has gotten only wider by June 2014.
Now Feds are complaining that the Defiant is worthless :rolleyes:
It used to be, that 5 TAC Escorts outside the JHAS had to have serious concessions to get those 5 TAC console slots. Defiant & Prometheus paid for it with having Lt ENG stations. Today? Cryptic throws 5 TAC Consoles around like they ***** around Universal BOFF stations. The latest Fed Escort, the revamped Patrol Escort, is utterly ridiculous in both regards.
Then again, there's the Warbirds that still make everything else obsolete no matter what you do.
That Power... It be creepin', don't it?
I have Fleet Prometheus as well with MVAM. Only gimp it has is ensign tac, for the rest it's great.
So, here's a testbed build I made. Defiant's too heavy tac seating... it will be a proton vaper mainly, but I couldn't ignore 8 tac powers so, because of the recent update to HY3 bio molecular and the protonic arsenal set, I went for torpedo/overload/dual heavies to fill the gap.
EPTA for Proton, AuxToSif for healing.
Oberth console for overcharging auxiliary power.
TB2 slowing targets, Jam sensors to get away and cloak again.
So, here's a testbed build I made. Defiant's too heavy tac seating... it will be a proton vaper mainly, but I couldn't ignore 8 tac powers so, because of the recent update to HY3 bio molecular and the protonic arsenal set, I went for torpedo/overload/dual heavies to fill the gap.
EPTA for Proton, AuxToSif for healing.
Oberth console for overcharging auxiliary power.
TB2 slowing targets, Jam sensors to get away and cloak again.
let me know what you think
Defiant and MVAE have to be built around avoiding damage. Healing is for the other guys, you have to go fast. Its your only hope. If you dont have EPtE on full uptime along with 2x Zemok burning APO/APD, you've already lost.
No HE... you'll be surprised at how much stuff kills you. This is mandatory imo. ST is really important too, or get the clear DOFF with your EPtX at fuill uptime and that will free up a slot for Jam or TB or even MES (remarkably useful). You can also use the T3 Rhode Island console as a fake battlecloak, works pretty well.
Defiant and MVAE have to be built around avoiding damage. Healing is for the other guys, you have to go fast. Its your only hope. If you don't have EPtE on full uptime along with 2x Zemok burning APO/APD, you've already lost.
No HE... you'll be surprised at how much stuff kills you. This is mandatory imo. ST is really important too, or get the clear DOFF with your EPtX at fuill uptime and that will free up a slot for Jam or TB or even MES (remarkably useful). You can also use the T3 Rhode Island console as a fake battlecloak, works pretty well.
I built my Defiant outside of the cookie cutters, to stay in the fight much longer, while retaining most of the "Vape" features I like. I find I stay in the fight a lot longer (have had parses where my passive healing out heals the entire group's total in an ESTF) with a lot of passive healing/fancy flying, and wear down other tankier ships easily.
The fleet defiant as a ship is very fast, maneuverable, can take chin shots well, and packs a serious punch (depending on build/captain), and in no way takes a back seat to these newer ships, IMO. Just don't get caught up in the min/max dps conversations, as many refuse to think past the Defiant's significant alpha strike, or the feeling of being "pigeon holed" with 3 ensign tactical stations in their build.
I'm convinced that any STO warship can beat any other with the right build/equipment/captain combo.
Defiant and MVAE have to be built around avoiding damage. Healing is for the other guys, you have to go fast. Its your only hope. If you dont have EPtE on full uptime along with 2x Zemok burning APO/APD, you've already lost.
No HE... you'll be surprised at how much stuff kills you. This is mandatory imo. ST is really important too, or get the clear DOFF with your EPtX at fuill uptime and that will free up a slot for Jam or TB or even MES (remarkably useful). You can also use the T3 Rhode Island console as a fake battlecloak, works pretty well.
you're forgetting it is a vaper, I'm not going to stay in fight for any longer than vape attempt has been made. AuxToSif is there beacause I need to restore hull between a run and the other. Hazard... oh well I'll use WCE.
good idea on photonic displacement, might give it a try.
I built my Defiant outside of the cookie cutters, to stay in the fight much longer, while retaining most of the "Vape" features I like. I find I stay in the fight a lot longer (have had parses where my passive healing out heals the entire group's total in an ESTF) with a lot of passive healing/fancy flying, and wear down other tankier ships easily.
The fleet defiant as a ship is very fast, maneuverable, can take chin shots well, and packs a serious punch (depending on build/captain), and in no way takes a back seat to these newer ships, IMO. Just don't get caught up in the min/max dps conversations, as many refuse to think past the Defiant's significant alpha strike, or the feeling of being "pigeon holed" with 3 ensign tactical stations in their build.
I'm convinced that any STO warship can beat any other with the right build/equipment/captain combo.
^^
This.
Personally, I just said TRIBBLE it to staying alive and went all in on the alpha.
They need to be accepted as roadkill from Cryptic's quarterly moneygrabs
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oh just stop it they are a business and they need to produce money somehow and this is how they choose to do it FFs stop acting like it so horrible they try to make money or they are such evil people for making something better .......you just have to pay for it ....so what its better so what you have to pay to get it ...hell that's life or else we would all be driving the same car or using the same phone etc etc if you make something a little better and you have to pay for it I don't mind that ....hell ..it could be worse ..like swtor where everything is stuck behind a pay wall EVERYTHING... I thonk they should switch to swtors model just to show how bad it can be
oh just stop it they are a business and they need to produce money somehow and this is how they choose to do it FFs stop acting like it so horrible they try to make money or they are such evil people for making something better
lol little fella I'm all for them making money I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE MONEY SELLING ALL THE SHIPS instead of 1 hot-rod per quarter that makes the rest of them suck. Its bad for the game and also a bad long-term revenue plan.
Defiant needs to have 1 ensign tac be made universal and shield modifier bumped up to 1.0 or even 1.05. It is shameful that it is still .9. Otherwise it is a fine ship.
I suspect Feds will get a true 5 - 2 escort with 5 tac consoles (not the terrible(boff layout) Andorian ships soon enough. That ship should be a Defiant retro-retrofit!
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Riccardo, you jerk! You just had to start this thread, didn't you? Now I'm compelled to dust off my FTER, fit it out as a vaper, and try to make it work (for the umpteenth time).
Riccardo, you jerk! You just had to start this thread, didn't you? Now I'm compelled to dust off my FTER, fit it out as a vaper, and try to make it work (for the umpteenth time).
I HATE YOU! :mad:
RCK
Yes I had to, and soon enough you'll see Defiants in Ker'rat!
Yes I had to, and soon enough you'll see Defiants in Ker'rat!
Yeah, I'm thinking this weekend should be an unofficial "bring your Defiant to ker'rat" weekend. Then we can all embarrass ourselves by trying to "vape" unsuspecting KDF and KDF-aligned Romulan targets (and failing miserably, to great comic effect).
Defiant vaper old news... I've been doing it, and doing it well for like 2 years. Stop stealing all my ideas seriously though good to see all the interest in my favorite little ship!
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HEY! That's mine!
Unfortunately it ain't creeping towards Qo'nos.........
R.I.P
I'm sure I heard it in a TV show, just translated in italian.
I have Fleet Prometheus as well with MVAM. Only gimp it has is ensign tac, for the rest it's great.
But... I am Freeza!
So, here's a testbed build I made. Defiant's too heavy tac seating... it will be a proton vaper mainly, but I couldn't ignore 8 tac powers so, because of the recent update to HY3 bio molecular and the protonic arsenal set, I went for torpedo/overload/dual heavies to fill the gap.
EPTA for Proton, AuxToSif for healing.
Oberth console for overcharging auxiliary power.
TB2 slowing targets, Jam sensors to get away and cloak again.
let me know what you think
Defiant and MVAE have to be built around avoiding damage. Healing is for the other guys, you have to go fast. Its your only hope. If you dont have EPtE on full uptime along with 2x Zemok burning APO/APD, you've already lost.
No HE... you'll be surprised at how much stuff kills you. This is mandatory imo. ST is really important too, or get the clear DOFF with your EPtX at fuill uptime and that will free up a slot for Jam or TB or even MES (remarkably useful). You can also use the T3 Rhode Island console as a fake battlecloak, works pretty well.
I built my Defiant outside of the cookie cutters, to stay in the fight much longer, while retaining most of the "Vape" features I like. I find I stay in the fight a lot longer (have had parses where my passive healing out heals the entire group's total in an ESTF) with a lot of passive healing/fancy flying, and wear down other tankier ships easily.
The fleet defiant as a ship is very fast, maneuverable, can take chin shots well, and packs a serious punch (depending on build/captain), and in no way takes a back seat to these newer ships, IMO. Just don't get caught up in the min/max dps conversations, as many refuse to think past the Defiant's significant alpha strike, or the feeling of being "pigeon holed" with 3 ensign tactical stations in their build.
I'm convinced that any STO warship can beat any other with the right build/equipment/captain combo.
you're forgetting it is a vaper, I'm not going to stay in fight for any longer than vape attempt has been made. AuxToSif is there beacause I need to restore hull between a run and the other. Hazard... oh well I'll use WCE.
good idea on photonic displacement, might give it a try.
^^
This.
Personally, I just said TRIBBLE it to staying alive and went all in on the alpha.
oh just stop it they are a business and they need to produce money somehow and this is how they choose to do it FFs stop acting like it so horrible they try to make money or they are such evil people for making something better .......you just have to pay for it ....so what its better so what you have to pay to get it ...hell that's life or else we would all be driving the same car or using the same phone etc etc if you make something a little better and you have to pay for it I don't mind that ....hell ..it could be worse ..like swtor where everything is stuck behind a pay wall EVERYTHING... I thonk they should switch to swtors model just to show how bad it can be
I suspect Feds will get a true 5 - 2 escort with 5 tac consoles (not the terrible(boff layout) Andorian ships soon enough. That ship should be a Defiant retro-retrofit!
- Judge Aaron Satie
I HATE YOU! :mad:
RCK
Yes I had to, and soon enough you'll see Defiants in Ker'rat!
Yeah, I'm thinking this weekend should be an unofficial "bring your Defiant to ker'rat" weekend. Then we can all embarrass ourselves by trying to "vape" unsuspecting KDF and KDF-aligned Romulan targets (and failing miserably, to great comic effect).
RCK
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=rckftervaperrevc_0
It's based on the gear I have on-hand vs. grinding for new stuff.
Note: No hull heals but I am running A2D (doff'd) + Borg 2-piece, so...hope it holds together!
RCK
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http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=ussblackphantom_5009
And a video I did which includes all rep passives and skill chart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQY3ioJbuQ&list=UUtxkyjnD9LAvtqEvQv4YMlA