idk, i'm just being pragmatic and suggesting something that another game attempted and worked, better than watch the faction slowly die, because that is what will happen if things keep up as it is.
So the way to fix the KDF in STO is to make STO into WOW? :eek:
Don't think there would be any probably about it...I don't have any Fed toons, but I'm not going to try to kid myself about Star Trek not mainly being about Starfleet and the Federation.
On the other hand, I sometimes wonder if I went KDF to play the underdog...or...if it was just so I didn't have to go to ESD...
if those are the facts, then the KDF would have had a high population from the start of the game, but was that the case? weren't most players feddies since the start? you're saying there is this HUGE klingon fanbase, but almost no one plays this? i find that slightly hard to believe.
1. We don't know the actual numbers ... claiming there are lots of Romulans, while nobody plays KDF ... not sure were you're getting that from
2. Maybe nobody plays KDF because it was "Monster Play" from the start ... the only way to level KDF back at Launch was PVP ... there was NOTHING else ... just ONE example ...
3. Were there always less KDF Players ... yeah sure ... was it always this bad ... I don't think so ... KDF-FED PVP Queues actually worked back in 2010
4. Back in those days you HAD to play Feds till Lvl 5-10 to unlock Klingons (again Monster Play)
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Strip battle cloaks form the romulans and give every KDF ship battle cloaking. Second couple of fleet raptors.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like Romulans invented the cloaking device... oh wait...
Totally agree about needing more uniform choices though.
Want more people to play KDF? The answer is simple: allow cross-faction teaming which makes sense according to the in-game storyline now since the "war" is over. People don't play KDFs because they don't get to team with their Fed friends, who are the majority. A bug lets you stay teamed cross-faction when exiting private STFs sometimes... so just make it a workable thing already.
1. We don't know the actual numbers ... claiming there are lots of Romulans, while nodody plays KDF ... not sure were you're getting that from
2. Maybe nobody plays KDF because it was "Monster Play" from the start ... the only way to level KDF back at Launch was PVP ... there was NOTHING else ... just ONE example ...
3. Were there always less KDF Players ... yeah sure ... was it always this bad ... I don't think so ... KDF-FED PVP Queues actually worked back in 2010
4. Back in those days you HAD to play Feds till Lvl 5-10 to unlock Klingons (again Monster Play)
didn't folks mention a LOOONG time ago in the forums, klingons had like 20% of the population, maybe less? i'm pretty sure i read something like that, in any case, all you have to do is look at the queues, geral folks running around in qo'nos and compare to ESD, or see the HUGE numbers of warbirds flying around and cryptic saying they made lots of money from LoR launch.
Don't think there would be any probably about it...I don't have any Fed toons, but I'm not going to try to kid myself about Star Trek not mainly being about Starfleet and the Federation.
On the other hand, I sometimes wonder if I went KDF to play the underdog...or...if it was just so I didn't have to go to ESD...
i play all sides actually, so its funny when folks accuse me of hating the KDF, i would love to have more klingon ships.
didn't folks mention a LOOONG time ago in the forums, klingons had like 20% of the population, maybe less? i'm pretty sure i read something like that.
Your point being I just told you it was always just Monster Play ... even a LOOOONG time ago ... well especially a LOOOONG time ago ... also if you're getting your Data from "folks mentioning stuff in Forums" I know what the problem is
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there is no starvation for content anymore, just ships, and i bet with you, even if cryptic were to add say 6 different great ships, fix all bugs, the KDF would still remain with low population.
Except that you can't say that with certainty as you have no basis. All we have in front of us is empirical data proving that what Cryptic has done thus far hasn't been effective. I won't believe your theory until they have tried a full court press on the kdf and failed.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like Romulans invented the cloaking device... oh wait...
Totally agree about needing more uniform choices though.
well, KDF queues are empty for a reason, you think its because there are lots of KDF? cryptic itself said the bortas didn't sell as much as they would've liked, but the odyssey did, why is that?
but its all invention, clearly populations are even, everything is great, is all evil's cryptic fault, they seek to ruin the KDF! the foul cunning peta'qs! :rolleyes:
I would say that most people do not play the KDF faction is because they find that the Federation is more easy for them to relate to since all Star Trek TV shows and the movies basically focuses on the Federation. Additionally, I am pretty sure most people who plays the Romulan faction eventually align themselves with the Fed rather than the KDF.
Perhaps Cryptic shot themselves in the foot when STO was released. I am a pretty recent player, but based on what I've read you initially could not play a KDF toon until you ranked a Fed up to level 25 because of the lack of KDF content. That is an artificial dis-incentive for the KDF faction simply because as a new player you were not allowed to have a KDF toon.
At the moment it's kinda like a vicious circle, Cryptic does not seem to want to allocate many resources to the KDF faction because they are not enough player. Not many player wants to join the KDF faction be they lack some content compared to the Fed and a large player base. Perhaps Cryptic can offer incentives to new STO players who's first toon is in the KDF faction. For example, perhaps provide a 2 week window where new players in the KDF faction can purchase certain KDF specific C-Store items with a 25% discount. Yeah, it discriminates against current players and new players who wants to join the Federation, but it is definitely a way to increase the player base as well as the KDF faction population at the same time.
It would be nice if Cryptic could also flesh out the KDF faction as well such as introducing female Gorn, Nausicaans and Letheans. Toss in some graphic fixes too like the issue when wearing the Solanae EV suit.
It IS a fact that outside Starfleet, no other group has as larger a fanbase as the Klingons. NO other group outside Starfleet has been represented in the varied TV series and movies as the Klingons.
Sorry, but it doesn't mean much. For example, if you have 97% of the fan that love fed, 2% klingons and 1% romulan, klingon would still be the second fanbase, and yet, they would not be many.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of ST fan would pick fed over anything else if they had to make a choice.
Klingons/Romulan will always be fewer than fed. For several reasons. The first, fed have human, we are human, it's only logical for many people to play something they know, over a fantasy alien race. Then, people watched the stories of the Enterprise, with Kirk, Picard, Sisko... They never watched the stories of some Klingon ship and some klingon captain.
It's only logical to assume fed will be the first faction played by a huge majority of new player. You could give MORE to the klingon to try to force player to play them over fed, but I don't think it would be a good idea.
Currently the KDF faction is complete IMO. Sure, they lack polish and they have less ships. No big deal, fed also lack polish, and just like the KDF they have plenty of useless ships (aquarius I'm looking at you).
KDF have a complete story, a tutorial, full lvling from 1 to 50, unique ship gameplay (raiders), a lot more carriers than any other, access to their own academy/SB,...
I wish the Romulan had as much as that. I'd give my SRO anytime, even the scimitar (you can have the singularity for free, I wish I could use AM core anyway) to become a faction, and not a fraction.
well, KDF queues are empty for a reason, you think its because there are lots of KDF? cryptic itself said the bortas didn't sell as much as they would've liked, but the odyssey did, why is that?
Because Star Trek was always about the Federation and always will be ? Not sure what one sexy mystery species, you can't even name would change about it ....
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Because Star Trek was always about the Federation and always will be ? Not sure what one sexy Mystery species, you can't even name would change about it ....
idk why you're focusing ONLY on the new species, i said several things, not only adding a new species, no way simply adding a species would work, but i think doing all i said might.
and if ST is only about the feds, then i guess KDF shouldn't complain about anymore, shut up completely, give every console to everyone, every ship, etc , why bother anymore then, lets watch the faction dwindle.
if those are the facts, then the KDF would have had a high population from the start of the game, but was that the case? weren't most players feddies since the start? you're saying there is this HUGE klingon fanbase, but almost no one plays this? i find that slightly hard to believe.
What the hell does "Poor Development" mean to you and why has that not gotten through your skull?
The list of Playable Ships alone should show you how much development has been greatly slanted in STO.
The game launched in 2010. Only in 2013 was one able to start a KDF character from the start. And it didn't even get its own promo. It was buried in the whole "LOR" thing.
Apparently, you were not around from the beginning of STO.
I was.
The state of the KDF at STO launch was absolutely terrible. The PVE missions were almost nonexistent. Honestly, the only viable way to level was 2 ways:
- Repeating Kahless Expanse an ungodly amount of times to level.
Or
- PVP, PVP, PVP, PVP, and PVP to level. After you did some PVP, you had to do more PVP to level, because there was literally nothing else to do.
There was also a far larger KDF playerbase back then, even though you had to go through the hurdle of rolling and playing Fed FIRST before you had a chance to make a single KDF character. But the playerbase dwindled when it became apparent that Cryptic was not going to fix up and flesh out the KDF faction anytime soon.
Only within the last year, year and a half has Cryptic provided more mission for the KDF. Only since LOR could you roll a KDF toon from the start. Until the Mogh released a few months ago, the last C-Store endgame ship for the KDF was 2 YEARS before the Mogh (the Bortasqu').
Then there's the horrible lack of Uniform options. It's pretty laughable, really. Outside the huge variety of canon Starfleet uniforms that ARE available, the Feds can access most of what you see in the game for most parts. The KDF? The majority of uniforms seen throughout Star Trek are not to be found in STO. The vast majority of uniform items you see KDF NPCs use are not usable. It's laughable, really.
Again, when it became apparent that the game was one sided in development, people left. Then Cryptic used that as an excuse to develop even LESS for the KDF over the years until only since last year.
But most of this has been well covered in shpoks post. I'm just ranting in greater detail about some of it.
I do NOT want the KDF to be whitewashed into "Federation-lite." I do NOT want us to become like the Romulan Republic in STO. The Klingons have never been that throughout Star Trek and have always been the most commonly used contrast to the Federation of any of the majorly used powers throughout Trek.
The KDF needs a lot more development. But do NOT whitewash the faction.
idk why you're focusing ONLY on the new species, i said several things, not only adding a new species, no way simply adding a species would work, but i think doing all i said might.
Like what ? making Qo'nos prettier ... sure because Qo'nos was always "pretty" in the Shows .... people still need to relate to the Faction ... otherwise they could just replace "Klingons" with "Edo" or something
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What the hell does "Poor Development" mean to you and why has that not gotten through your skull?
The list of Playable Ships alone should show you how much development has been greatly slanted in STO.
The game launched in 2010. Only in 2013 was one able to start a KDF character from the start. And it didn't even get its own promo. It was buried in the whole "LOR" thing.
Apparently, you were not around from the beginning of STO.
I was.
The state of the KDF at STO launch was absolutely terrible. The PVE missions were almost nonexistent. Honestly, the only viable way to level was 2 ways:
- Repeating Kahless Expanse an ungodly amount of times to level.
Or
- PVP, PVP, PVP, PVP, and PVP to level. After you did some PVP, you had to do more PVP to level, because there was literally nothing else to do.
There was also a far larger KDF playerbase back then, even though you had to go through the hurdle of rolling and playing Fed FIRST before you had a chance to make a single KDF character. But the playerbase dwindled when it became apparent that Cryptic was not going to fix up and flesh out the KDF faction anytime soon.
Only within the last year, year and a half has Cryptic provided more mission for the KDF. Only since LOR could you roll a KDF toon from the start. Until the Mogh released a few months ago, the last C-Store endgame ship for the KDF was 2 YEARS before the Mogh (the Bortasqu').
Then there's the horrible lack of Uniform options. It's pretty laughable, really. Outside the huge variety of canon Starfleet uniforms that ARE available, the Feds can access most of what you see in the game for most parts. The KDF? The majority of uniforms seen throughout Star Trek are not to be found in STO. The vast majority of uniform items you see KDF NPCs use are not usable. It's laughable, really.
Again, when it became apparent that the game was one sided in development, people left. Then Cryptic used that as an excuse to develop even LESS for the KDF over the years until only since last year.
But most of this has been well covered in shpoks post. I'm just ranting in greater detail about some of it.
I do NOT want the KDF to be whitewashed into "Federation-lite." I do NOT want us to become like the Romulan Republic in STO. The Klingons have never been that throughout Star Trek and have always been the most commonly used contrast to the Federation of any of the majorly used powers throughout Trek.
The KDF needs a lot more development. But do NOT whitewash the faction.
well, "klingon fans" clearly aren't numerous enough to justify the amount of cash needed to even the populations, either there are concessions to be made, or the KDF remains as it is, and continues to get maybe one ship a year, no bug fixes and slowly die, welp, to me is simple which choice to make, cryptic's is in a catch 22, they need to spend money, to increase the population, to then make money, which may or may not work, but if they keep things as they are, they also may or may not work.
For the record, the active toons I currently play when I 1st started at the end of January 2014 are as follows (listed in order of creation, oldest 1st):
My 4th toon will be KDF, but since juggle 3 active toons can be a challenge, one (or two) of the 3 toons above will have to go into "reserve status" where it will only be played during the weekend when i have time to play STO. This will likely not happen until Oct or Nov of this year.
The eventual goal is to have 6 core toons. Two Fed toons, two KDF toons, one Romulan-Fed aligned toon and one Romulan- KDF aligned KDF toon.
didn't ESD got two through? there was a time when ESD looked nothing like actual ESD at least.
3 if you count "Signs" but the first 2 were pretty negligible, dividing Bank & Exchange Consoles in separate rooms and so on ... not really an "Art & Layout Revamp"
If you remember "Old Qo'nos" you'd know the revamp was "pure heaven", because it was just a bunch of generic corridors before ...
... so making Qo'nos "prettier" didn't work the first time, why should it work now ... not even sure what's so "ugly" about it now ... it looks decently "Klingon" to me ... if they'd have to revamp anything it's Klingon Costumes
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if would be cool if they added those ships, but at least in the case of the gorn ones, gave a revamp, they look kinda silly.
It's one of the other things that...well...customization is severely lacking. Whether one was talking ships or costumes, the KDF - not necessarily being "dirty/ugly" - just didn't have anywhere near the "let's play dress up" options the Feds have. Heck, when the Romulans came out (yes, many things will keep going back to the Romulans - they were such a heinous slap in the face to the KDF)...bah, never mind.
Was pretty nifty when they broke out the armors/kit pieces...should be happy about that...but then it goes back to the ships and...oh well.
The player base is mostly Federation because most people who play this game are casual players who want to live out their fantasy of being a Starfleet Captain. Since the KDF is not Starfleet they do not play that faction.
It's one of the other things that...well...customization is severely lacking. Whether one was talking ships or costumes, the KDF - not necessarily being "dirty/ugly" - just didn't have anywhere near the "let's play dress up" options the Feds have. Heck, when the Romulans came out (yes, many things will keep going back to the Romulans - they were such a heinous slap in the face to the KDF)...bah, never mind.
Was pretty nifty when they broke out the armors/kit pieces...should be happy about that...but then it goes back to the ships and...oh well.
IMO they should add the bortas entire variations to the tailor, it looks way too good to keep out of it(also the cool jacket thingy some klingons use), hell add the oddy uniform variations to the tailor as well, its cheap enough i don't think folks will care much.
It's one of the other things that...well...customization is severely lacking. Whether one was talking ships or costumes, the KDF - not necessarily being "dirty/ugly" - just didn't have anywhere near the "let's play dress up" options the Feds have. Heck, when the Romulans came out (yes, many things will keep going back to the Romulans - they were such a heinous slap in the face to the KDF)...bah, never mind.
Was pretty nifty when they broke out the armors/kit pieces...should be happy about that...but then it goes back to the ships and...oh well.
I now feel the urge to have my RRK char go to First City and slap a Klingon....
but yeah, it's weird seeing all the options for NPC ships, then realizing how many are playable.
idk why you're focusing ONLY on the new species, i said several things, not only adding a new species, no way simply adding a species would work, but i think doing all i said might.
and if ST is only about the feds, then i guess KDF shouldn't complain about anymore, shut up completely, give every console to everyone, every ship, etc , why bother anymore then, lets watch the faction dwindle.
For a long time, the KDF had "better" cash shop ship consoles, carriers and cloaking devices. You did have to wait until level 25 before you could play a KDF character, but you had 2 character slots on a free account. Nothing to stop people from going over there at that point. And yet, the Federation side was always much larger.
Players blame cryptic for not delivering on various promises as a reason for this. I think all the "cut features" probably impacted the existing player base, but I don't think it discouraged players from going KDF.
From my own experience, I have seen several players say "I just don't want to play a KDF character. Their styles, themes and concepts are grimy and unpleasant". It seems to me that what you observed in your original post is certainly true for some people. The KDF is, to some, ugly.
I don't see a way around that. Qo'nos is the Klingon homeworld. Klingons are spartan in thier comforts and prefer obvious symbols of power and authority to awe residents and newcomers alike. After all, "Klingons are as subtle as a bat'leth".
I think the best you could hope for would be a new "social hub" designed in the themes of one of the other KDF member races. Perhaps an Orion, Nausicaan, Lethian or Gorn planet, moon, or starbase? You could also introduce new outfits and expanded clothing options based on those races.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like Romulans invented the cloaking device... oh wait...
Totally agree about needing more uniform choices though.
Want more people to play KDF? The answer is simple: allow cross-faction teaming which makes sense according to the in-game storyline now since the "war" is over. People don't play KDFs because they don't get to team with their Fed friends, who are the majority. A bug lets you stay teamed cross-faction when exiting private STFs sometimes... so just make it a workable thing already.
How bout the fact romulans get singularity powers. Why I want battle cloaking gone. Sorry tad too much of a good thing.
And yes I have 2 rom toons. They should have one or the other, not both.
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So the way to fix the KDF in STO is to make STO into WOW? :eek:
-facepalm-
Don't think there would be any probably about it...I don't have any Fed toons, but I'm not going to try to kid myself about Star Trek not mainly being about Starfleet and the Federation.
On the other hand, I sometimes wonder if I went KDF to play the underdog...or...if it was just so I didn't have to go to ESD...
yes, because adding ONE species, will turn STO into WOW -facepalm- :rolleyes:
1. We don't know the actual numbers ... claiming there are lots of Romulans, while nobody plays KDF ... not sure were you're getting that from
2. Maybe nobody plays KDF because it was "Monster Play" from the start ... the only way to level KDF back at Launch was PVP ... there was NOTHING else ... just ONE example ...
3. Were there always less KDF Players ... yeah sure ... was it always this bad ... I don't think so ... KDF-FED PVP Queues actually worked back in 2010
4. Back in those days you HAD to play Feds till Lvl 5-10 to unlock Klingons (again Monster Play)
Yeah, I mean, it's not like Romulans invented the cloaking device... oh wait...
Totally agree about needing more uniform choices though.
Want more people to play KDF? The answer is simple: allow cross-faction teaming which makes sense according to the in-game storyline now since the "war" is over. People don't play KDFs because they don't get to team with their Fed friends, who are the majority. A bug lets you stay teamed cross-faction when exiting private STFs sometimes... so just make it a workable thing already.
didn't folks mention a LOOONG time ago in the forums, klingons had like 20% of the population, maybe less? i'm pretty sure i read something like that, in any case, all you have to do is look at the queues, geral folks running around in qo'nos and compare to ESD, or see the HUGE numbers of warbirds flying around and cryptic saying they made lots of money from LoR launch.
i play all sides actually, so its funny when folks accuse me of hating the KDF, i would love to have more klingon ships.
Same place the anti-disco-ball folks get their "silent majority" claims.
Your point being I just told you it was always just Monster Play ... even a LOOOONG time ago ... well especially a LOOOONG time ago ... also if you're getting your Data from "folks mentioning stuff in Forums" I know what the problem is
Except that you can't say that with certainty as you have no basis. All we have in front of us is empirical data proving that what Cryptic has done thus far hasn't been effective. I won't believe your theory until they have tried a full court press on the kdf and failed.
well, KDF queues are empty for a reason, you think its because there are lots of KDF? cryptic itself said the bortas didn't sell as much as they would've liked, but the odyssey did, why is that?
but its all invention, clearly populations are even, everything is great, is all evil's cryptic fault, they seek to ruin the KDF! the foul cunning peta'qs! :rolleyes:
Perhaps Cryptic shot themselves in the foot when STO was released. I am a pretty recent player, but based on what I've read you initially could not play a KDF toon until you ranked a Fed up to level 25 because of the lack of KDF content. That is an artificial dis-incentive for the KDF faction simply because as a new player you were not allowed to have a KDF toon.
At the moment it's kinda like a vicious circle, Cryptic does not seem to want to allocate many resources to the KDF faction because they are not enough player. Not many player wants to join the KDF faction be they lack some content compared to the Fed and a large player base. Perhaps Cryptic can offer incentives to new STO players who's first toon is in the KDF faction. For example, perhaps provide a 2 week window where new players in the KDF faction can purchase certain KDF specific C-Store items with a 25% discount. Yeah, it discriminates against current players and new players who wants to join the Federation, but it is definitely a way to increase the player base as well as the KDF faction population at the same time.
It would be nice if Cryptic could also flesh out the KDF faction as well such as introducing female Gorn, Nausicaans and Letheans. Toss in some graphic fixes too like the issue when wearing the Solanae EV suit.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of ST fan would pick fed over anything else if they had to make a choice.
Klingons/Romulan will always be fewer than fed. For several reasons. The first, fed have human, we are human, it's only logical for many people to play something they know, over a fantasy alien race. Then, people watched the stories of the Enterprise, with Kirk, Picard, Sisko... They never watched the stories of some Klingon ship and some klingon captain.
It's only logical to assume fed will be the first faction played by a huge majority of new player. You could give MORE to the klingon to try to force player to play them over fed, but I don't think it would be a good idea.
Currently the KDF faction is complete IMO. Sure, they lack polish and they have less ships. No big deal, fed also lack polish, and just like the KDF they have plenty of useless ships (aquarius I'm looking at you).
KDF have a complete story, a tutorial, full lvling from 1 to 50, unique ship gameplay (raiders), a lot more carriers than any other, access to their own academy/SB,...
I wish the Romulan had as much as that. I'd give my SRO anytime, even the scimitar (you can have the singularity for free, I wish I could use AM core anyway) to become a faction, and not a fraction.
Because Star Trek was always about the Federation and always will be ? Not sure what one sexy mystery species, you can't even name would change about it ....
idk why you're focusing ONLY on the new species, i said several things, not only adding a new species, no way simply adding a species would work, but i think doing all i said might.
and if ST is only about the feds, then i guess KDF shouldn't complain about anymore, shut up completely, give every console to everyone, every ship, etc , why bother anymore then, lets watch the faction dwindle.
What the hell does "Poor Development" mean to you and why has that not gotten through your skull?
The list of Playable Ships alone should show you how much development has been greatly slanted in STO.
The game launched in 2010. Only in 2013 was one able to start a KDF character from the start. And it didn't even get its own promo. It was buried in the whole "LOR" thing.
Apparently, you were not around from the beginning of STO.
I was.
The state of the KDF at STO launch was absolutely terrible. The PVE missions were almost nonexistent. Honestly, the only viable way to level was 2 ways:
- Repeating Kahless Expanse an ungodly amount of times to level.
Or
- PVP, PVP, PVP, PVP, and PVP to level. After you did some PVP, you had to do more PVP to level, because there was literally nothing else to do.
There was also a far larger KDF playerbase back then, even though you had to go through the hurdle of rolling and playing Fed FIRST before you had a chance to make a single KDF character. But the playerbase dwindled when it became apparent that Cryptic was not going to fix up and flesh out the KDF faction anytime soon.
Only within the last year, year and a half has Cryptic provided more mission for the KDF. Only since LOR could you roll a KDF toon from the start. Until the Mogh released a few months ago, the last C-Store endgame ship for the KDF was 2 YEARS before the Mogh (the Bortasqu').
Then there's the horrible lack of Uniform options. It's pretty laughable, really. Outside the huge variety of canon Starfleet uniforms that ARE available, the Feds can access most of what you see in the game for most parts. The KDF? The majority of uniforms seen throughout Star Trek are not to be found in STO. The vast majority of uniform items you see KDF NPCs use are not usable. It's laughable, really.
Again, when it became apparent that the game was one sided in development, people left. Then Cryptic used that as an excuse to develop even LESS for the KDF over the years until only since last year.
But most of this has been well covered in shpoks post. I'm just ranting in greater detail about some of it.
I do NOT want the KDF to be whitewashed into "Federation-lite." I do NOT want us to become like the Romulan Republic in STO. The Klingons have never been that throughout Star Trek and have always been the most commonly used contrast to the Federation of any of the majorly used powers throughout Trek.
The KDF needs a lot more development. But do NOT whitewash the faction.
Like what ? making Qo'nos prettier ... sure because Qo'nos was always "pretty" in the Shows .... people still need to relate to the Faction ... otherwise they could just replace "Klingons" with "Edo" or something
well, "klingon fans" clearly aren't numerous enough to justify the amount of cash needed to even the populations, either there are concessions to be made, or the KDF remains as it is, and continues to get maybe one ship a year, no bug fixes and slowly die, welp, to me is simple which choice to make, cryptic's is in a catch 22, they need to spend money, to increase the population, to then make money, which may or may not work, but if they keep things as they are, they also may or may not work.
the planet at least was, not the first city though, but ESD got a facial lift, why not qo'nos?
1. Fed toon
2. KDF toon
3. Romulan - Fed Aligned toon
My 4th toon will be KDF, but since juggle 3 active toons can be a challenge, one (or two) of the 3 toons above will have to go into "reserve status" where it will only be played during the weekend when i have time to play STO. This will likely not happen until Oct or Nov of this year.
The eventual goal is to have 6 core toons. Two Fed toons, two KDF toons, one Romulan-Fed aligned toon and one Romulan- KDF aligned KDF toon.
My Guess : Because it already got one ...
Vishap Frigate (Patrol Escort)
Tuatara Cruiser (Assault Cruiser)
Zilant Battleship (Dreadnought Cruiser)
Syphon Frigate (Recon Science Vessel)
Destroyer Escort (Destroyer)
Talon Battleship (Heavy Battle Cruiser)
Orion Corvette (Corvette)
Brigand Cruiser (Heavy Cruiser)
Slavemaster Battleship (Battle Carrier)
Fer'Jai Frigate (Escort)
K'Norr Escort (Tactical Escort)
ESD got two revamps didn't it? why can't qo'nos, at least some parts of it.
if would be cool if they added those ships, but at least in the case of the gorn ones, gave a revamp, they look kinda silly.
3 if you count "Signs" but the first 2 were pretty negligible, dividing Bank & Exchange Consoles in separate rooms and so on ... not really an "Art & Layout Revamp"
If you remember "Old Qo'nos" you'd know the revamp was "pure heaven", because it was just a bunch of generic corridors before ...
... so making Qo'nos "prettier" didn't work the first time, why should it work now ... not even sure what's so "ugly" about it now ... it looks decently "Klingon" to me ... if they'd have to revamp anything it's Klingon Costumes
It's one of the other things that...well...customization is severely lacking. Whether one was talking ships or costumes, the KDF - not necessarily being "dirty/ugly" - just didn't have anywhere near the "let's play dress up" options the Feds have. Heck, when the Romulans came out (yes, many things will keep going back to the Romulans - they were such a heinous slap in the face to the KDF)...bah, never mind.
Was pretty nifty when they broke out the armors/kit pieces...should be happy about that...but then it goes back to the ships and...oh well.
IMO they should add the bortas entire variations to the tailor, it looks way too good to keep out of it(also the cool jacket thingy some klingons use), hell add the oddy uniform variations to the tailor as well, its cheap enough i don't think folks will care much.
but yeah, it's weird seeing all the options for NPC ships, then realizing how many are playable.
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For a long time, the KDF had "better" cash shop ship consoles, carriers and cloaking devices. You did have to wait until level 25 before you could play a KDF character, but you had 2 character slots on a free account. Nothing to stop people from going over there at that point. And yet, the Federation side was always much larger.
Players blame cryptic for not delivering on various promises as a reason for this. I think all the "cut features" probably impacted the existing player base, but I don't think it discouraged players from going KDF.
From my own experience, I have seen several players say "I just don't want to play a KDF character. Their styles, themes and concepts are grimy and unpleasant". It seems to me that what you observed in your original post is certainly true for some people. The KDF is, to some, ugly.
I don't see a way around that. Qo'nos is the Klingon homeworld. Klingons are spartan in thier comforts and prefer obvious symbols of power and authority to awe residents and newcomers alike. After all, "Klingons are as subtle as a bat'leth".
I think the best you could hope for would be a new "social hub" designed in the themes of one of the other KDF member races. Perhaps an Orion, Nausicaan, Lethian or Gorn planet, moon, or starbase? You could also introduce new outfits and expanded clothing options based on those races.
How bout the fact romulans get singularity powers. Why I want battle cloaking gone. Sorry tad too much of a good thing.
And yes I have 2 rom toons. They should have one or the other, not both.
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