test content
  • Games
  • Social
  • Arc News
  • Support
  • Zen
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
Forums > Home› Feedback› PvP Gameplay

Is it me, or is this a one build game for PvP?

gerrshwinngerrshwinn Member Posts: 18 Arc User
edited June 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Been playing PvP in Kerrat, queues and fleet for about 3 months now.

I'm federation... and I don't cloak... this seems to mean that I should just give up on PvP unless I'm missing something very important.

Each and every match that contains a vaper is ruled by them... in premades... solo queues... kerrat... whereever

If this is seriously a 'get a scim and valdore and vape away' game then I know how to win already. Why the hell should I try to play anything else?

As I enjoy this game I do hope I'm missing something as 15-2 matches just aren't enough fun to keep me around.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Post edited by gerrshwinn on
«1

Comments

  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    There are enough possibilities to survive a vaper, or at least making yourself unattractive for one.

    Share your build and ask your victors how you could have done better. Most people are good and nice chaps, as long you won't act like a child and calling hax or stuff.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • sharxtremesharxtreme Member Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    gerrshwinn wrote: »
    Been playing PvP in Kerrat, queues and fleet for about 3 months now.

    I'm federation... and I don't cloak... this seems to mean that I should just give up on PvP unless I'm missing something very important.

    Each and every match that contains a vaper is ruled by them... in premades... solo queues... kerrat... whereever

    If this is seriously a 'get a scim and valdore and vape away' game then I know how to win already. Why the hell should I try to play anything else?

    As I enjoy this game I do hope I'm missing something as 15-2 matches just aren't enough fun to keep me around.

    Wrong. and so very wrong.

    There is an infamous "that guy" in that a2b-dem-faw-valdore-marion scimi, but pvp is in no way ruled by that guy.

    There is also hype about those infamous "vapers" but only few are good.

    There are also those infamous FBPers or infamous zombie tanks, and cheeze lobi science, or infamous escorts, or.. and ..you name it.

    They all die in pvp, it's just that kirk ships die more and kill less.

    Valdore+scimi is in no way "i win" button. In fact one such a2b-dem-faw-marion-spiral disruptor-valdore-2pc borg set-elite drone scimi was pwned by a single shuttle.
    One shot. One kill.

    You just need to find out what game mechanics are effective against which setups, plug your skill holes with some experience and plug enemies holes with super duper op weapons of choice.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Super SpecialStar Trek Online Review
    SpecialTemporal PUG 100K DPS Build
    We are Travelers
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Direct answer? It's just you.

    Essentially, maintain high defense figures and high resist, and you'll be fine - also, keep quick fingers on Tactical Team and Reverse Shield Polarity.

    I'm Federation, non-cloaking, and I do fine. In fact, it's fun to pursue escaping vapers - science ships can be pretty zippy with the right abilities.

    Cruisers will rely on resist with some defense.

    Escorts will rely on high defense. Don't get held!

    Science ships will rely on a mix of both, together with debuffing damage.

    If you post what you are currently doing, I'm sure many people can help you with surviving vapes.

    But even then, sometimes you will get caught off-guard, or the vaper gets a lucky ubercrit. That's normal. But you can survive at least half the time - and once you survive, you can pursue.
  • ilhanskilhansk Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    gerrshwinn wrote: »
    Each and every match that contains a vaper is ruled by them... in premades... solo queues... kerrat... whereever

    I lol'd.

    But no, actually vapers rule nothing these days. In premades, vapers are good at engulfing the own team in the abyss.

    In the solo queues, vapers have to pray that there is no pugger in the other team hunting them down.

    Scimitars are strong in the solo queues, but pretty much fail against a coordinated team.

    What ship are you flying? Are you Tac, Eng, Sci?
    sharxtreme wrote: »
    There is an infamous "that guy" in that a2b-dem-faw-valdore-marion scimi, but pvp is in no way ruled by that guy.

    Infamous Scimitar? Like, in a good way? Who would that be? :confused:
    Visit the Inner Circle YouTube Channel to watch some STO pew pew PVP action!

  • teuteburgteuteburg Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Hi!

    It is good to use Romulan-embassy-bridge-officers for sci/eng
    places because of additional defence. Together with the
    Deflector/engines of the Undine-reputation you will have
    a lot of defence. Paired with an elite fleet shield vapers are
    not that drama anymore...only the real good ones!

    Greetz Siegfried
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • sharxtremesharxtreme Member Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ilhansk wrote: »
    Infamous Scimitar? Like, in a good way? Who would that be? :confused:

    Not in a good way.
    On forums you see ppl that think that a2b faw scimitars are endgame bosses like the guy that made this topic, that was the point of that sentence.

    There are just a handfull of really dangerous ones in game be it with FAW setup or DHC setup, not a reason in any way to make such infamy on forums.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Super SpecialStar Trek Online Review
    SpecialTemporal PUG 100K DPS Build
    We are Travelers
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    PvP is ruled by teams.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Someone how this got posted in the wrong thread...

    Anyways. It's healers that are OP. Cross healing can make the difference in 90% of matches...
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

    My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starwrathforever wrote: »
    Eh no, my dear old enemy! PvP is also ruled by the infamous damned terrific evul Bops when they can fight in open spaces like Ker'rat and the C&H queues!
    Ask Mini or Thissler if you don't believe me...:D

    Fed T'varo should have no problem hunting down any fragile KDF Birds of Prey...just saying. ;)
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starwrathforever wrote: »
    That's right, but I'm speaking about we Feds and the evul Empire...if a player wants to relive a Star Trek experience as it should be, well...a very bad surprise is awaiting him!:eek:

    Given that the Fed T'varo got the TDF from being a Fed...one might see that it is the Fed part rather than the T'varo part, eh? :P
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • ankokunekoankokuneko Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Mini's 5 vaper premade was actually quite scary, but fortunately we had speed and SCIENCE or we would have lost http://puu.sh/9cOiy
    jFriX.png
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • alejogalejog Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    edalgo wrote: »
    Yea we faced them and narrowly won 15-14. It wasn't easy and nearly lost if it weren't for the black poo console towards the end throwing it at a teammate in trouble. We had Science too.

    1 Sci healer/hanker wasn't enough to keep them from popping.

    If I remember this match correctly even their healer had cloak (not sure if battlecloak)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]-32nd Vipers- PvP Team

    Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starwrathforever wrote: »
    Lol, but in the REAL Star Trek the Fed Captains don't command a T'varo!:P:P

    REAL Star Trek, eh? How do we know? There is no REAL Star Trek for 2409-2410 to say what they do and don't do during that period of time.
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    there has never been a wider variety of viable builds. unfortunately after they nerf the bio torp, there will be less.
    gateway links-->Norvo Tigan, Telis Latto Ruwon, Sochie Heim, Solana Soleus
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • ankokunekoankokuneko Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I count click consoles as SCIENCE wizardry lol
    jFriX.png
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • ankokunekoankokuneko Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starwrathforever wrote: »
    And the terrific Mini premade of battlecloaked vapers and an healer is almost invincible...only a phenomenal Fed team has the hope of winning!
    For all the other average Feds, well...15-0 score is awaiting them!:D

    Actually that match was all kdf players lol
    jFriX.png
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited June 2014
    This content has been removed.
  • ilhanskilhansk Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Really. :rolleyes:

    This was the end result of one of our fleet internal private test matches:

    http://s7.directupload.net/images/140603/pnuieyg4.png


    Team Red -> A very retro 2 JHAS / 3 Wells line-up

    Team Blue -> 4 cloaked vapers / 1 JHAS

    All people involved were very experienced veteran PvP'ers.

    Bottom line, vapers can be dealt with. If you can't, then you're doing it wrong.

    Of course it's fun sometimes to goof it up a bit, but keep in mind there is a reason why a traditional line-up of 2 tacs / 3 sci was and still is the preferred choice of experienced PvP premades.

    If you ever meet such a classic line-up, then feel free to TRIBBLE your pants.
    Visit the Inner Circle YouTube Channel to watch some STO pew pew PVP action!

Sign In or Register to comment.