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LoR Anniversary: Can I dismiss Tovan now?

pweistheworstpweistheworst Member Posts: 986 Arc User
edited June 2014 in Romulan Discussion
Seriously, it has been a year since LoR was released and a large group of players have been asking for the ability to dismiss him from our list of active BOffs ever since.

I appreciate the fact that he is a Purple BOff with good traits, just like the other free BOffs available for the Fed and KDF players. However, there's just no good reason to keep forcing players to keep Tovan on our bridge.

I know the main issue is that Tovan was integrated into the first episodes in the Romulan storyline and if he isn't there then those missions aren't playable. Well, the easy fix is to make it so you can dismiss and reclaim him (just like the free FED and KDF BOffs) and make it so that you can't replay those first missions unless you have claimed Tovan and he is in your active BOff list.

The main point is that players who don't want Tovan shouldn't be forced to keep him.

Happy Birthday, Tovan ... now DIE!
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    medtac124medtac124 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    +1

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    drazursouthclawdrazursouthclaw Member Posts: 223 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'm a big Tovan fan - please allow me to boo and hiss myself on behalf of what currently appears to be the entire playerbase - "BOO! HISS!".

    I can understand why people wouldn't like him, though. From a certain angle, he - okay, from pretty much nearly every angle - he could be said to be a whiny, complaining space hipster with about as much charisma as half a house brick covered in spiders. I don't know why, but I can empathize with that. Perhaps that means I have mental issues, but that's not what we're discussing right now, thankfully.

    Even though I dig the character, I STILL don't understand why people who don't like him are stuck with him. It must seem like a waste of a slot to them, which I can appreciate would be frustrating.

    My best guess: Too much is tied into the ingame dialogue. IIRC, A good example would be a particular conversation on a particular (and disappointingly non-Quidditch themed) planet - his conversation will happen whether or not he is on your team or on the ship, or whatever.

    But I really do feel for those that feel as though he's more of a burden than a bonus. There really is so much choice about so many things in this game - this seems out of character for the game. Against the spirit of it, so to speak.

    Even the often-overlooked KDF aren't saddled with this type of thing, with the possible exception of the ongoing uniform bug. The latest fixes worked for me personally, so that's nice (for me).

    I also feel for the RPers who can't even change his bio.

    I like him because even though he's whiny and worries too much, he's not sitting on his butt hiding from everything. But he would totally be Bill Paxton in Aliens - I'm under no illusions there.
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    reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Bah I like him. He's someone I can trust to watch my back (and especially among Romulans, that's saying something). So he talks, so what? He's enthusiastic in trying to help, I'm okay with that. Given how quiet the player-character captains usually are, its Jay & Silent Bob In Spaaaaaace.

    Plus he makes so many people rage about this dead-horse topic, its laughable. That's a special power right there!
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited May 2014
    pweistheworst wrote: »
    Happy Birthday, Tovan ... now DIE!
    nuff said right there :D
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    tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    i dont like him, he would be acceptable if they upgraded his traits included both superior romulan operative and subterfuge and you can mute him as well as escape/skip all his dialogue/cut scenes.
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    medtac124 wrote: »
    +1
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    davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    tigeraries wrote: »
    i dont like him, he would be acceptable if they upgraded his traits included both superior romulan operative and subterfuge and you can mute him as well as escape/skip all his dialogue/cut scenes.

    That is what I want to see. Allow players to "upgrade" his traits and/or skills.
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    peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    davidwford wrote: »
    That is what I want to see. Allow players to "upgrade" his traits and/or skills.


    Not good enough. For me his traits and abilities have zero to do with why I want to boot him.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Add a free BOFF slot that can only be used for Tovan, K'Gan, and Elisa Flores...
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    pweistheworstpweistheworst Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Add a free BOFF slot that can only be used for Tovan, K'Gan, and Elisa Flores...

    You're missing the point. It's not just that Tovan takes up a BOff slot ... it's that players cannot choose whether or not we want him on our crew. I don't use K'Gan on my KDF toons or Elisa Flores on my Fed toons ... and I'm not forced to. The Romulan faction is "forced" to keep Tovan whether we want him or not.

    If a player likes Tovan that's fine ... they should have the ability to keep him. That doesn't mean everyone should be forced to keep him. I just want Tovan to work like the other free BOffs in that it's the PLAYER'S choice.
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    cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,529 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Tovan needs to go. NOW! Either create a mission where we can send him off on some super dangerous assignment to his death or let us flush him down the toilet right out into the vaccuum of space. :P
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    midnightvisionmidnightvision Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    drazursouthclaw wrote: »
    I can understand why people wouldn't like him, though. From a certain angle, he - okay, from pretty much nearly every angle - he could be said to be a whiny, complaining space hipster with about as much charisma as half a house brick covered in spiders.

    Best description I've heard of a character in a while. :D
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Just allow us to rename the guy, just like we can rename all the others.
    Rename, species change, sex change... sure I'd be satisfied with that. As would many others. But there are players out there who dislike The Khev because he's simply a sub-par BOFF. That wouldn't fix their gripe.
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    aurigas7aurigas7 Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I could live with a customization option. Name change, new face, etc.
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    shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Add a free BOFF slot that can only be used for Tovan, K'Gan, and Elisa Flores...

    But then how will I have an entire bridge crew of submissive looking women in bikinis? :rolleyes:

    That is the best option: give them their own slot, let players who want to use them use them, let players who don't not. Write more Tovan Khev dialogue and keep it optional as a reward for players who want to use him. Players who do not can turn it off and pretend he isn't there.
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I should be chill about this, but I'm not.

    I want Tovan GONE from my ships. He's not my friend, not part of my crew, and he's certainly not welcome anywhere near any of my ships.
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    lystentlystent Member Posts: 1,019
    edited May 2014
    Once (and if) we do get to remove our (mostly) least favorite BOff, there is like one for every romulan toon... the Tovan rebellion would be intensive; a session (and rep system) in of it's own. Oh well, there is one thing I said before, and would gladly repeat: Killl Tovan Khev, KILL him all!
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited May 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    I should be chill about this, but I'm not.

    I want Tovan GONE from my ships. He's not my friend, not part of my crew, and he's certainly not welcome anywhere near any of my ships.

    kinda how I feel too
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    sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You got the wrong Anniversary OP. It is still Science Fiction to retire him. And even worse, they release more special Tribbles than he can possibly carry. That was the only use I could find for him. To carry my burd... Tribbles. ;)
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    ryvakenryvaken Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    drazursouthclaw wrote: »
    I can understand why people wouldn't like him, though. From a certain angle, he - okay, from pretty much nearly every angle - he could be said to be a whiny, complaining space hipster with about as much charisma as half a house brick covered in spiders.

    It's not even that benign. In every dialog he takes center stage. Exactly who is the captain here? Right. Shut up and sit down, Tovan. If I want your opinion I'll shoot myself in the head.
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    bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    What's worse is when you dump the useless twit as "First Officer" in the DoFF selection ... You then have certain missions where you ask your BoFF's for advice ...

    "What do you think Three of Four?" (my LoR pack liberated Reman) And Tovan's ugly mug pops up on screen!!!!! WTF?

    Setra is OK, as I changed her to look (IMHO) quite hawt! But Tovan? <ewww>
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    talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Well I do like Tovhan for one of my characters, his story fit for my fed aligned crew and he currently sits as chief tactical officer.

    For my KDF side crew, I would throw his behind out an airlock fast as possible. Just sitting there wasting space and still talking without permission.
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    woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    He isnt a SRO, thus he should either be upgraded or executed for incompetence, both would work for me^^
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    diotwdiotw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    I should be chill about this, but I'm not.

    I want Tovan GONE from my ships. He's not my friend, not part of my crew, and he's certainly not welcome anywhere near any of my ships.

    This. He must die. The madness has gone on long enough.

    Get him off my ship! :mad:
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    kintishokintisho Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Ah yes, this spur in the sides of my 2 FED and 1 KDF (reman) Romulans... He's ugly, sure nice to start off with a purple tac officer but at end game he is USELESS. Let us change him more or discharge him OR (spoiler alert) a tragic (optional)mission where he meets a heroic demise, defending the romulan people from their fiercest of foes....
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    erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    kintisho wrote: »
    He's ugly
    You can change his appearance.
    he meets a heroic demise, defending the romulan people from their fiercest of foes....
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    indypenguinindypenguin Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    The eppoh ?

    He might even fail at that. The only reason I keep him around is cause I've trained him in different skill sets that I find useful for space combat. I use a different set of BOFFs as the away team, department heads/first officers, escorts on New Romulus, etc...
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    lystentlystent Member Posts: 1,019
    edited June 2014
    With the death of a good character, there is a loss. In Tovan's case, there is no loss... Cause he's still alive!
    Yes, there once dead, there would still be no loss from my view.
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    bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    A few very simple things that Cryptic could do, to lessen the Tovan hate ...

    He's a Purple BoFF, so he SHOULD have SRO! (His other traits aren't all that bad really)

    Make him interchangeable with his sister, who would have identical traits and skills.*/**

    * This would allow players to have their bridge bunny crews and it would require only some VO for Rinna. 95% of the dialogues could easily be spoken by either Tovan or Rinna, with only a very small number of changes, so the 'script' wouldn't need to be changed much.

    I'm pretty sure too, that it isn't all that difficult to substitute character models in he custscenes he's in, because they are all rendered in game using whatever customization you've applied to Tovan.

    ** At the end of the Tutorial (or earlier perhaps?), bring up a screen, similar to the "Choose Allied Faction" screen, where you get to pick who your childhood/colony companion is, this choice will assign either Tovan or Rinna to you as your first Bridge Officer, and this choice cannot be "unmade" ...

    I know it's not as good as being able to get rid of him completely, and I know it's also not a substitute for the stolen BoFF slot, but it would go some way to at least making him useful at endgame.
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