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Elite Fer'Jai Frigate - Can't purchase - store bug
alfiedono
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I have the fleet Karfi but not the c-store version. The starbase store does not allow me to purchase the elite frigates, even though the description says the the fleet karfi qualifies for purchase (red text).
Can this be fixed ASAP?
If it is intended that the c-store version is required, then I think the labelling needs to be amended to make this clear - it has misled me into wasting 4 ship modules on a worthless ship without the pets....
Thanks.
Update: Seems like I can't even buy the S'kul fighters from the shipyard to replace accidentally deleted default pets (i.e. the S'kuls) ... now this is just plain silly... come on...
Can this be fixed ASAP?
If it is intended that the c-store version is required, then I think the labelling needs to be amended to make this clear - it has misled me into wasting 4 ship modules on a worthless ship without the pets....
Thanks.
Update: Seems like I can't even buy the S'kul fighters from the shipyard to replace accidentally deleted default pets (i.e. the S'kuls) ... now this is just plain silly... come on...
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The fleet can use the elites but the cstore is the unlocker...overlooked bug that never seems to be squashed
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I suggest Cryptic places a BIG RED WARNING on these pets to CLEARLY indicate that the C-Store Karfi is required for purchase - hopefully this will help reduce the number of dissatisfied customers...
So it's not a bug. It's an unlock feature that most players do not like but it's part of the game.
That's the thing, it doesn't say anything about it being a special item that comes with the C-Store ship. Whereas you can get elite pets using dodgy mirror ships and Fed fleet ships. So no it's not at all a "given", just inconsistent and misleading.
This was working as designed, but we recently decided to change our design.
A change was recently checked in for both the Fleet Kar'fi and Fleet Atrox, that owning the appropriate one will allow the purchase of the associated class of hangar pets.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
So what does the C-Store Atrox give us that gives any reason for people to purchase it. The Fleet Atrox is superior in every way to the C-Store Atrox and the C-Store Atrox has no consoles to justify the cost even if the console sucked. The FSM discount doesn't justify the cost. It used to be that the Stalker Fighters could be considered as the Atrox's console, but now that will be removed.
Not that I am opposed to giving the Atrophy a special ability console.
Or maybe Ia m, because power-clicky consoles often add to power creep and imbalances, but that's not Atrox-specific.
Yay! Now I can get that pathetic excuse of a hangar pet (Stalker Fighters). Thanks Cryptic for all the work you've done on the Atrox. It is the ****est ship by far because it doesn't even come with a ****ing console and it's pets are a pitiful sight when you compare it to any other carrier.
My faith has been restored...
Because there are people like me who aren't in a fleet, have never been in a fleet, and or don't ever plan on being in a fleet. Therefore, we use the cstore.
If we're going down this path:
Does acquiring the Fleet Corsair (basic or Retrofit) allow a player without the C-Store Tier 4 standard version to buy Tachyon Drones?
Does purchasing a Fleet Ar'Kif allow owners to purchase Elite Scorpions straight away, or will those always remain behind the reputation grindwall?
Do owners of the JHDC get access to their frigate option without needing to own one of the most rarest/expensive ships in the game to enjoy?
The Recluse another Lobi carrier (AFAIK) has straight up access to Mesh Weavers? Though their elite fighters are behind a rep grindwall.
Do owners of the Advanced Obelisk Carrier need to get past a Spire T3 grindwall to obtain their Elite swarmer pets? (sure there's ways around it but it's still a grindwall for the FCs, maybe someone doesn't want to do fleet stuff)
The situation surrounding access to frigate/special pets can be convoluted and in some situations unfair or even impossible. You've (Cryptic) tried things in the past, but I think it's time you standardise how owners of carriers (single or dual bay) obtain their unique fighters/frigates/pets.
Not sure why you'd bring up elite swarmers and elite scorps, these have never been carrier specific, they are holding/rep pets available to all carriers ...
And also the elite weavers are not behind a rep wall, they are a store purchase from a T5 SB.
As for JHDC, I kind of like the gimmick of owning the bug to have them as pets. Atleast here, unlike the fleet/C-store scenario, you don't have to effectively buy the same ship via c-store just to get pets for a fleet version. And I'm not being biased here I have a JHDC as well, but no bug
If there isn't already, a note on the attack ship pets saying an attack ship is needed for purchase would be a good thing also - despite this requirement being pretty widely known and documented on the STO wiki.
Can anyone not owning a Karfi buy Skull fighters from ship yard dealer? ( so not off exchange/trading)
If not, then buying the Fleet Karfi will now also unlock the fighter for free as well as the frigate.
I don't care really as I've maxed reps and access to fleet gear, but for toons starting out and perhaps the majority of the player base, it's a long time before Obelisk and Arkif owners can access elite versions of what comes stock on their ships.
The rule set for pet acquisition for each carrier type and its associated special pet(s) is just all over the place. Not an issue for the well informed like those here, but I'm sure it's way confusing to the uninitiated to figure out what's where.
A SB is just a shared rep by another name.
However I did say I'm sure there was "straight up access to Mesh Weavers" (ie fleet SB). So agree there. The rep wall I spoke of is for the Elite Widow fighters, need to grind out Nuke rep to access those, yet they come as standard on the ship.
It was a nice gimmick (to Cryptics benefit only), but it's rather stupid now.
I have the JHDC and the bug, just luck more than wanting the combo. It's still a horrible setup. Pay down 800 lobi for a fully fledged carrier and you can't even buy its unique frigates. It's just silly.
Not sure why this move for Karfi/Atrox was even necessary, just buy C-store version for account wide unlock first, 2000 zen, buy 1 ship module for 500zen or off exchange to get fleet one on that toon. Same price overall on 1st toon anyway??? 500zen each toon there after too, or however much EC off exchange.
Being well known doesn't make it easier to obtain.
If a player wants a JHDC with frigates they have to spend absurd amounts of money (or years claiming free lobi from events), just to get the carrier, then even more opening doff packs for the JHAS only when the special event for them is on (mostly never), or somehow acquire 400-500mil EC to buy from a dwindling pool sitting on the exchange.
Unless you get lucky, it's essentially unobtainable for absolutely no apparent reason other than because the JHAS was so OP at its launch they gated it as such. Now, imo it's not as OP any more, easily surpassed or equalled now by a hand full or two of other ships.
Don't think the Fleet Corsair Retrofit came with it's special Tachyon drones, despite it's C-Store variant having them. Should not the fleet one also be changed to allow access to C-Store version pets just as the Karfi is having done?
You're just confused. elite obelisk, widows and scorps are like "faction" pets - they are not carrier specific - different kettle of fish - also note for example scorps come default with both the arkifs AND Scimitars.
Like who cares about the widow fighters? They arre just placeholders. Just about every recluse player will be after the elite weavers. And if as you say a SB is like a rep wall - with most elite pets needing a T5 starbase - what is your point about pets in rep being a disadvantage?
You're forgeting that the JHDC is a monster ship in itself. the pets are there more for decoration, other carriers like the recluse and karfi are pretty much worthless without their elite frigate pets.
In case you skipped this entire thread b4 posting, the PROBLEM is that it is not indicated anywhere that the C-Store version of the ship is needed to unlock the karfi pets, So people who bought the fleet Karfi first are effectively being forced to buy the ship twice to get their pets. The most ridiculous part is that owners of the fleet version don't even have store access from the shipyard to buy the normal S'kul fighters that come default with their ship.
Like I said the attack ships are like a specialty item, and whether access is allowed without the bug is an entirely different case to Fleet vs C-Store access. I just gave my personal opinion - don't really see the issue about having to buy a perfectly good separate (and different) ship to use those ships as pets. My only suggestion would be to make this gimmick clear to any purchaser.
I never disagreed with this part.
Ultimately I think you're trying to conflate the access mechanisms for every elite pet into one issue - they are not.
"Owning a carrier should allow store access to its associated carrier specific pet/s"
Looking at it from that perspective, sure, Karfi needed this to happen. Atrox's unique pets also needed to become unlocked.
The JHDC is the exception to this for no other reason than, 'just because'. That's the only reason why it's special.
Your perceived effectiveness of them has nothing to do with it.
If it were the case, the scimmy drones would be even rarer than the bug ship.
The issue is market access.
Buy a carrier = unlock access to its uniquely equipable pets.
99% JHDC owners don't have that opportunity, that's discrimination.
Access to fleet elite pets is "free". Being a shared rep you can ask around for access to a T5 base and be given the opportunity to purchase without further effort or delay. There's effectively no barrier of entry to the 'store front'.
Rep based fighter pets can only be accessed after the toon you're on has ground out that rep, which requires effort, resources and time. That's the disadvantage.
Shifting to just looking at carrier locked pets, this is irrelevant to this thread now.
The point I was making is that for the cost of a fleet karfi (i presumed it's 2500zen worth, but not sure) or very close to it, you can have account wide unlock (with pets) and the fleet one for the same or close to it price with module discount.
But rethinking pet access as I have at the beginning of this post, it's largely irrelevant now.
So, basically you prefer to just waste real money...
lol. Romulan reputation is the most easy rep to fill, the only thing you need to waste is dilithium in those elite scorpions fighters. Maybe you just want a button that says "click me to receive elite scorpion fighters" lol.
Elite widow fighter are rep pets, and are not *special* to the recluse and they perform abysmally - not my perception - they have been parsed and tested countless times in numerous scenarios by the top players in this game. The fact that no one wants them and that they are all carrier access and everyone is after the elite weavers means that widows are non-issue regardless.
Re the JHDC, have you ever thought about the attack ship pets in this way: Owning an attack ship also gives you the right to use them as pets on particular carrier, rather than, owning the JHDC gives you the right to have attack ship pets?
My comments about the JHDC and attack ship reflect the fact that the JHDC is well worth the 800 lobi in its own right, arguing that the lack of guaranteed access to the attack ships makes the 800 lobi overpriced is not very convincing.
Also, being able to get a C-store version of the karfi and getting the fleetversion for a single ship module is MUTE. The whole point of this thread is that people are being misled into buying the fleet version FIRST (due to complete lack of disclosure about the access requirements). So to access their pets, they will need to shell out a total of 4000 zen (i.e. equivalent to buying the damn ship twice over) <<< THIS IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD - not about elite pet access in general.
Sorry to necro, but can someone with Kar'fi/Fer'Jai experience PLEASE confirm that they fixed this issue?
I am close to getting a Fleet Kar'Fi (I do not have the C-Store version), and want to be positive that I will be able to buy the Advanced/Elite Fer'Jai Frigates without any issues. I really don't want to buy the C-Store version as I'm not interested in the console and don't plan to use the Kar'Fi on any other characters.
Thanks in advance for responses.
No, but seriously, please, this thread is long since dead.
To answer your question, I have never bought the ship, so I don't know, but the best place to post this is as a new thread, as a question in the Builds, Powers and Game Mechanics sub-forum.
Hope this helps!
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