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r24681012
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i see in the new Patch there will be afk Penaltys issued i would like some clarity on how long is it before you will be deemed afk what if you need to nip to the loo or you have lag or disconect does this mean you afk is there a time limit
i think they should be clear on this i know some go afk diliberatly but some dont i would hate anyone getting afk penalty if they have a good reason for being afk
your thoughs guys
i think they should be clear on this i know some go afk diliberatly but some dont i would hate anyone getting afk penalty if they have a good reason for being afk
your thoughs guys
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for me this was a plight to STF's, couldn't go three matches at times without some %@&* sitting there while the rest of us fought an often loosing battle!
I feel they shouldn't make the penalty system public, I don't want people thinking of ways to exploit it.
I understand people have to go to the loo, but I think the missions are often so short you should take that into consideration before starting a mission.
I also think that its based on overall activity in a mission, not just a couple of minutes not moving.
I have to agree here. Most ESTFs can be done in under 10 minutes. If you did not go before hand, then holding it for 10 minutes should not be a problem.
If holding it for 10 minutes is a problem, please see a medical professional for advice
2. To my knowledge there is no official information as to what constitutes "AFK" by the system. Some people have speculated that it has to do with DPS.
3. Yes, they should be clear as to what they're penalizing, but they're not.
4. Personally, I'd just quit a mission if I needed to do something else. Most queues have no leaver penalty and the ones that do, its only half the AFK penalty.
Maybe if your grandma suddenly dropped dead, yes I could see you leaving the STF, but not going AFK. But you can only use that excuse twice ever - no one has 3 grandmothers it's impossible. Going to the loo is not an excuse. You're a grown up, so go before you play or hold it in.
You may want to reconsider that bit in red....
A person who was adopted as a child may have,
Grandfather and Grandmother from their biological father,
Grandfather and Grandmother from their biological mother,
Grandfather and Grandmother from their adoptive father,
Grandfather and Grandmother from their adoptive mother.
I count 4 of each here, so they "could" use, death of a "grandma" 4 times....
Now, when you factor in things like same gender relationships, things get quite complex...
Grandfather and Grandmother from their biological father,
Grandfather and Grandmother from their biological mother,
Grandmother and Grandmother from their adoptive father,
Grandfather and Grandmother from their adoptive mother.
Now in that list, you get 5 grandmothers and 3 grandfathers, so the excuse would hold 5 times.
Really, you should not make the assumption everyone comes from the same cookie cutter family dynamic - as we don't. I for example, only ever had 1 Grandmother and Grandfather in my life, so I cannot use death of "grandma" twice, as I've never had 2 in my life.
I love when people incorrectly imply or use "impossible"
But the fact that several more of the queued fleet missions are getting them too now is very satisfactory... Now if we could make it a Standart for STF's, Fleet missions and Fleet Actions, it would be awesome.
I don't think we are going to get the math behind the penalties, since that would make them to easy to get around... I mean... If you aren't AFK'ing, what interest is there in knowing the math anyways?
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Well done sir
i do agree knowing the time scale for afk would open it up to be taken advantage of which is a worry no doubt but i still believe the rules should be clear
Of course the other side of the coin is, it's a game, the hysteria over losing the optional is simply astonishing, or the public stoning of people not pledging a blood oath for putting their lives on hold for the duration of the stf is quite scary.
And it's not like there are not options open to everybody, if your a casual gamer then you will no doubt go the pug route, if you require the soul of somebody's first born to be pledged toward you putting your life on hold for the duration of the STF, then you would use one of the many public dedicated channels to do your STF.
I personally have tried them all and i cant really say i have seen the AFK thing as that much of a issue, i have seen more people losing connections than people away AFK for the duration of the stf.
It's a penalty. Details of how it works fuel finding ways to negate it. All we need to know is "actually play, don't AFK" when in queued events. It's not brain surgery.
When queued up with others, play. Do your AFKing standing around someplace with the creepy ERPers. If you can't handle this, you're playing the wrong type of game and need to move along to something that suits your "all about me" mentality. Fortunately, there are plenty of good single-player games around.
Pffft...all *4* of my grandmothers died long ago. You forget about things like divorce and remarriage. :P
For the record though the penalty is ridiculously easy to get round even if you are not trying. I was just starting an stf (cure found elite) when the phone rang. It was my parents friend looking for them (they were out) and she is a bit of a talker. By the time I got back to the computer the mission was in it's last stage. Despite this I came away with out any penalty.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
Then suck it up and eat the penalty, since the game is not a priority anyway, right?
Some people grasp things better than others.
Neat. And some people fail to explain their meaning. :rolleyes:
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
If you absolutly must abandon a mission or get a disconnect during one and can't make it back on time... jump to a different toon.
I have left before.. only on stf infected ground.. cause a player blows option within first wave :P.. but there is no penalty if everyone leaves and the mission is way too long and hard to run with an inexperienced team (I do try to educate any prior to leaving but many don't know how to read I think).
2 hr penalty is valid to discourage leavers
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Irritable bowel syndrome, it effects 30 million Americans. Its a problem you have to live with.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
No, it's a problem the people who have it have to live with. The rest of us don't, and shouldn't.
That opens up the path for a different, very interesting debate.
Should penelties for afk-ing and leaving an STF be account wide?
Afk-ing, probably not a bad idea. Leaving, absolutely not!
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
Easily answered: Do we want them to be real, effective deterrents or just window-dressing to convince people something's being done while not bothering with the real issue?
...and as long as one can character-jump and keep playing, they're a pretend solution to a real problem.
And that is an excuse for AFKing how exactly?
If you are having a bout of diarrhoea, the last thing that should be on your mind is logging in to an online game just to AFK.
If you are suffering with pains due to constipation by IBS, then again, if you are in pain, why are you going in to an online game? You should be dealing with your IBS not trying to deal with an STF.
Expecting others to gain marks for you when you know you are not in a position to play is wrong and should be punished. If sudden symptoms of IBS kick in while playing - logout, go focus on yourself, don't keep jumping in to the public queue system. Come back when you can play.
Also, for those who do not know what IBS is, here is some information. - It is NOT an excuse to be lazy in an online game.
The symptoms of IBS can be troublesome, the condition does not pose a serious threat to your health.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHlvKQwZFSI
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
And should the penelty be applied to all that leave or just the first 50% that leave and make the goal unachievalbe
then it is simple just leave the mission, no reason for others to work to give somebody they don't know and will never see free dil/rewards anyways.
In fact I had half a dozen 'hello again' like that and in 100% of the cases they were doing the same thing: either AFKing or just flying around hitting 'need'. Pretty often those leechers enter an stf with considerable amount of ship damage. Had a couple of those in Viscous Elite recently...
Having a handful of toons I really don't care about the leaver peno. I just switch toons and next stf with decent team mates is just a minute away...