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cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
edited June 2014 in Klingon Discussion
Forgive my lack of knowledge on the situation but I am posting this to find out for a friend. He purchased the Andorian Kumari escort today to get the Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers. He has enough fleet credits, he has enough dilithium, and the fleet has enough provisions for him to purchase them. However, they still show grayed out from what he stated when all other weapons on the Fleet Weapons tab show up as purchasable. Before posting here, I checked to see if they appeared in the fleet store and read through the description for the weapons. They state a character has to be Lieutenent General to purchase them. When clicking them, it states the I must own a Andorian escort, which my friend does. Is there some sort of bug with the fleet store?
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  • kelshandokelshando Member Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Forgive my lack of knowledge on the situation but I am posting this to find out for a friend. He purchased the Andorian Kumari escort today to get the Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers. He has enough fleet credits, he has enough dilithium, and the fleet has enough provisions for him to purchase them. However, they still show grayed out from what he stated when all other weapons on the Fleet Weapons tab show up as purchasable. Before posting here, I checked to see if they appeared in the fleet store and read through the description for the weapons. They state a character has to be Lieutenent General to purchase them. When clicking them, it states the I must own a Andorian escort, which my friend does. Is there some sort of bug with the fleet store?

    You have to have it claimed.. not just owned.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    As in, he has to have the ship in box in his inventory(not 100% sure if this works for the phasers, but it does for the galor's spirals.) Or in his ship yard
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Also...he's a kilngon?

    He won't be able to claim it...ever
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  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I was just talking with him over Skype. You can't claim te Andorian ship on a KDF character. He tried to claim it more than one on one of his Fed characters but the ship never appeared in his list after claiming it from the Ship and Shuttle NPC. He tried this more than once, clicked claim ship (which stated, free), but when he went to the Choose your Ship NPC, there was no Andorian ship at all.

    Just to try and be more clear, the character he wanted the Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers on was his KDF Trill. These weapons do appear in the KDF fleet store.
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  • kelshandokelshando Member Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I was just talking with him over Skype. You can't claim te Andorian ship on a KDF character. He tried to claim it more than one on one of his Fed characters but the ship never appeared in his list after claiming it from the Ship and Shuttle NPC. He tried this more than once, clicked claim ship (which stated, free), but when he went to the Choose your Ship NPC, there was no Andorian ship at all.

    Just to try and be more clear, the character he wanted the Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers on was his KDF Trill. These weapons do appear in the KDF fleet store.

    That's your problem.. KDF cant use them.. there federation only.
  • daka86daka86 Member Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    And you need to have room in the select ship if he has just one you can claim 1 if you got the bundel you need 3 slot free. Ore is he has permission to bye from the fleet store
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    kelshando wrote: »
    That's your problem.. KDF cant use them.. there federation only.

    I had thought that also but when I checked for him, there was nothing in any description I could find that listed the Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers are for Federation characters only. He just uploaded a couple of screenshots for me to link to. I checked these on my account also but I couldn't screenshot them as the windows disappeared when typing hte screenshot command into the chat box.

    Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers in the KDF fleet store

    Andorian Fleet Advanced Phaser weapon description

    daka86 wrote: »
    And you need to have room in the select ship if he has just one you can claim 1 if you got the bundel you need 3 slot free. Ore is he has permission to bye from the fleet store

    He is one of the fleet leaders. He has permission to buy from the fleet store.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    can he see if he can get the ones from the dilithium store? if not, then yes, you need to have the ship activated on that char to get the weapons.
  • catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited May 2014
    Just to try and be more clear, the character he wanted the Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers on was his KDF Trill. These weapons do appear in the KDF fleet store.

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  • kelshandokelshando Member Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I had thought that also but when I checked for him, there was nothing in any description I could find that listed the Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers are for Federation characters only. He just uploaded a couple of screenshots for me to link to. I checked these on my account also but I couldn't screenshot them as the windows disappeared when typing hte screenshot command into the chat box.

    Andorian Fleet Advanced Phasers in the KDF fleet store

    Andorian Fleet Advanced Phaser weapon description




    He is one of the fleet leaders. He has permission to buy from the fleet store.

    You have to claim the ship.. I have the andorian and you cant use them KDF side.. Also Galor weapons show up grey even if you do not own the ship.. same with fighters from voth or jem'dread.


    I know it kinda sucks.. its to bad that once you own a ship it doesn't unlock flavor weapon and fighters for the whole account.. but they do not :(
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Stafleet Online.

    All sorts of Starfleet items appear in KDF stores, but we can't use them even if we can purchase them.

    That's true, but there is also usually something to say that in the item description. There is no such mention in the item descriptions that these weapons are Federation only.

    Thank you, everyone for your answers and suggestions. Although my friend isn't happy that he wasted 2,000 ZEN on a ship for weapons for his KDF character that he can't get. I appreciate the quick responses for me to pass on to him. Hopefully he can get some sort of refund.

    kelshando wrote: »
    You have to claim the ship.. I have the andorian and you cant use them KDF side.. Also Galor weapons show up grey even if you do not own the ship.. same with fighters from voth or jem'dread.


    I know it kinda sucks.. its to bad that once you own a ship it doesn't unlock flavor weapon and fighters for the whole account.. but they do not :(

    Aren't the ships you mentioned Lock Box ships? Those ships are not account wide unlocks. The Andorian Z-Store ships are account wide unlocks. I don't claim to understand how this stuff works but I would say there is a lack of information in the ships description and the fleet store Andorian weapons.
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  • kelshandokelshando Member Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Aren't the ships you mentioned Lock Box ships? Those ships are not account wide unlocks. The Andorian Z-Store ships are account wide unlocks. I don't claim to understand how this stuff works but I would say there is a lack of information in the ships description and the fleet store Andorian weapons.

    yes they ar elock box.. but even if you do not own them.. the weapon show up to buy is what I was pointing out.. and even so.. they have to be claimed.. just owning them.. aka in the box doesn't count.
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    kelshando wrote: »
    yes they ar elock box.. but even if you do not own them.. the weapon show up to buy is what I was pointing out.. and even so.. they have to be claimed.. just owning them.. aka in the box doesn't count.

    Thanks for the clarification. I have never seen the weapons from the Galor so I had no idea they worked in a similar fashion. Are they supposed to show up in the fleet stores?
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  • kelshandokelshando Member Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Thanks for the clarification. I have never seen the weapons from the Galor so I had no idea they worked in a similar fashion. Are they supposed to show up in the fleet stores?

    its in the dilithium store under specials if I recall..
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    kelshando wrote: »
    its in the dilithium store under specials if I recall..

    Thanks! I have never noticed that tab before.

    For my own curiosity with the thread subject. Why do the Andorian weapons list Raptors and Raiders for ships if they were not intended for use by anything other than Federation Captain's? If I am not mistake, Raptors and Raiders are KDF ship types only.
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  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Are we all still trying understand cryptic logic! Im gonna have to check on my kilnk, to see if the option appears for me.
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    z3ndor99 wrote: »
    Are we all still trying understand cryptic logic! Im gonna have to check on my kilnk, to see if the option appears for me.

    Kind of. The dilithium store weapons are for ships that are available to all sides. Do Fleet Elite Phasers show up for Klingon's and do Fleet Elite Disruptors show up for the Federation even though they can't be purchased? The fleets I am in don't have either of those unlocked and I haven't seen my friend around to ask if his do.
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  • aurigas7aurigas7 Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Item description is completely misleading. Some of the dual cannons list battlecruisers, raiders and raptors as compatible ship classes.
    Seems like the Andorian phasers require the ship in the chars hangar. And the spiral wave disruptors are now an char unlock, too. :mad:
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  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    aurigas7 wrote: »
    Item description is completely misleading. Some of the dual cannons list battlecruisers, raiders and raptors as compatible ship classes.
    Seems like the Andorian phasers require the ship in the chars hangar. And the spiral wave disruptors are now an char unlock, too. :mad:

    That's what I thought when looking at them. Why list KDF ships in the descriptions if you can't aquire them on KDF aligned characters?
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    That's what I thought when looking at them. Why list KDF ships in the descriptions if you can't aquire them on KDF aligned characters?

    Because the list of valid ships is based on the weapon "class." All Dual Cannons and Dual Heavy Cannons that aren't restricted to a single ship belong to the Dual and Dual Heavy Cannon "classes," which determine the ship availability (which is basically anything that's not a "normal" Cruiser, Flight Deck Carrier, or Science Vessel).

    Andorian weapons are simply normal weapons of the "Andorian Phaser" "element," and Cryptic never saw fit to introduce additional restrictions for those weapons because KDF and Romulans never get the chance to purchase the weapons by virtue of never being able to claim any of the T5 Kumari variants... adding in additional ship class restrictions is redundant.

    Also, there is one Raider (Breen Plesh Brek) and a few Battlecruisers (Avenger plus Lockbox/Lobi Battlecruisers) available to the Federation, so they can't directly eliminate those classes anyway.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    That's true, but there is also usually something to say that in the item description. There is no such mention in the item descriptions that these weapons are Federation only.

    Thank you, everyone for your answers and suggestions. Although my friend isn't happy that he wasted 2,000 ZEN on a ship for weapons for his KDF character that he can't get. I appreciate the quick responses for me to pass on to him. Hopefully he can get some sort of refund.




    Aren't the ships you mentioned Lock Box ships? Those ships are not account wide unlocks. The Andorian Z-Store ships are account wide unlocks. I don't claim to understand how this stuff works but I would say there is a lack of information in the ships description and the fleet store Andorian weapons.

    like the part that says you must own the ship? a ship that a KDF toon can NOT own.
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  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    icsairguns wrote: »
    like the part that says you must own the ship? a ship that a KDF toon can NOT own.

    To me, that sounds more like owning it in the Z-Store. If it had said, you have to claim the Andorian ship on your character, that would make a lot more sense to me. Perhaps PWE should clarify by removing the KDF ships mentioned on the weapons and also mention that a player has to commission the ship in order to have access to those weapons.

    Confusing stuff like that that others I play with in STO experience keeps me from spending money on ZEN and from spending it in the Z-Store
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Perhaps PWE should clarify by removing the KDF ships mentioned on the weapons and also mention that a player has to commission the ship in order to have access to those weapons.

    No, they should remove the Andorian Phasers from the KDF Fleet store. It's much simpler and won't introduce problems when Fed players try to use them on the Avenger (a Battlecruiser) or the Plesh Brek (a Raider), or if Cryptic ever decides to class a lockbox ship as a "Raptor" rather than the equivalent "Escort" class, and Andorian beams and single cannons don't have class restrictions anyway.
  • scrappymcflyscrappymcfly Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    So, for Fed captains, we need to buy an Andorian Kumari Escort before we can purchase the Andorian Phasers from the fleet store? Since they can be fitted to non-Andorian ships, what's the point of cockblocking the purchase in the first place. Is Cryptic full o Ferengi?
  • tickletopstickletops Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    So,...Is Cryptic full o Ferengi?

    Why do you think Cryptic gave your alts pockets?
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Its actually really a bit misleading, given that the text on the ship does not mention that the weapons are fed only (and there are several packages where the "main item" are faction tied but some additions are cross faction, see the Belfast packages where we can claim the doffs and weapons as kdf) and also given the fact that those weapons appear in the KDF fleets in the first place. Why are they there if there is no way they can ever be claimed? Elite phasers do not appear there either (or elite disruptors on Fed side) so why those?
  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Its actually really a bit misleading, given that the text on the ship does not mention that the weapons are fed only (and there are several packages where the "main item" are faction tied but some additions are cross faction, see the Belfast packages where we can claim the doffs and weapons as kdf) and also given the fact that those weapons appear in the KDF fleets in the first place. Why are they there if there is no way they can ever be claimed? Elite phasers do not appear there either (or elite disruptors on Fed side) so why those?

    Well, it is Season 9: The New Accord. Since they gave us Space Hondas, why not cross-faction access to faction-specific items.

    Actually, now that I read that initial half-joking response... let the Federation keep its Andorian Phasers. We all keep complaining about diluting faction identity, homogenization, etc. So lets keep that thought in mind when we ask for things to be applied in such a manner. It'd be nice if they cleaned up the Fleet Store, though. While an equivalent might be a appropriate (maybe crimson Ferasan disruptors, golden Reman plasma weapons, or the like), asking for something that such as that is similar to the lock box trades.

    So, if we're going to dilute faction identity in such a manner, expect to see it in a lock box... and expect something better to go into the Reward Pack for the Federation relative to what the Klingon Empire gains. :P
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