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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    qjunior wrote: »
    That "relic" has a hull strength of like 133k. I wish my ship was a "relic". :D

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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    But there is no single "novelverse" continuity; each author is free to accept or reject anything from the other novels that they choose, and they generally do. For instance, John Ford is the only author who used his unique take on the Klingons, and Duane's novels are the only place you'll find a Sulamid transporter officer.

    However, ever since arguments over canon began (which, as I recall, was about ten minutes after the James Blish novel Spock Must Die! was published), the official statement has been that if it's been filmed it's canon, and anything else (novels, comics, fanfic, hieroglyphics found carved into a kilometer-high slab on the third moon of Gliese 151g, whatever) was "soft canon" at most. Yes, that means that "JJTrek" is canon, although taking place in a divergent universe with a somewhat different history. (I won't bore you with my treatise on why ENT should be considered a prequel to the Abrams movies...) And to my chagrin, that means Insurrection and Nemesis are canon, as well. Meanwhile, The Wounded Sky, despite its general excellence, is non-canon. Sucks, but there it is.

    Not necessarily true. There is a continuing story with the Titan and Destiny novels and sort of thing. That is what is what I was referring too. Every other novel goes in the noncanon category. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Not necessarily true. There is a continuing story with the Titan and Destiny novels and sort of thing. That is what is what I was referring too. Every other novel goes in the noncanon category. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
    Which is good because some of the novels are kind absurd.... Especially the Shatner ones.

    The Demons of Air and Darkness series was O_O' inducing as well. The premise was cool, but... the idea of a planet with no food.... whose inhabitant build ships to annoy the Federation.... um.... really? Seriously... the plot was that the people on this world got dumped there in the distant past by an Iconian gateway, found that the only food on the planet was high in the air since the surface literally did not have a biosphere... just metal... lots of metal. Which they eventually build space ships out of... meh.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Which is good because some of the novels are kind absurd.... Especially the Shatner ones.

    The Demons of Air and Darkness series was O_O' inducing as well. The premise was cool, but... the idea of a planet with no food.... whose inhabitant build ships to annoy the Federation.... um.... really? Seriously... the plot was that the people on this world got dumped there in the distant past by an Iconian gateway, found that the only food on the planet was high in the air since the surface literally did not have a biosphere... just metal... lots of metal. Which they eventually build space ships out of... meh.

    There there was the musical one. :D
  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Which is good because some of the novels are kind absurd.... Especially the Shatner ones.

    The Demons of Air and Darkness series was O_O' inducing as well. The premise was cool, but... the idea of a planet with no food.... whose inhabitant build ships to annoy the Federation.... um.... really? Seriously... the plot was that the people on this world got dumped there in the distant past by an Iconian gateway, found that the only food on the planet was high in the air since the surface literally did not have a biosphere... just metal... lots of metal. Which they eventually build space ships out of... meh.

    Yes--how did they not starve before they could even build aircraft to harvest that stratospheric food source? With no infrastructure (therefore needing to mine the metal, build refining and manufacturing equipment, etc.), it would take months to get anything more sophisticated than a lighter-than-air craft. Any tech that could greatly speed this process up would have also probably have allowed them to build replicators in order to address the food situation (unless replicator technology was totally unknown to them)--or if not full-on replicators, at least equipment to chemically produce amino acids and sugars out of raw elements (which by the way we could do with our current 2010s technology on Earth--we just don't do it on a large scale because it's so much cheaper to grind up plants and animals for our organic materials).
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    On a side note, I've never heard of the idea of Enterprise being a prequel for JJtrek.

    I think what was meant was, because ENT happens chronologically prior to the timeline split, it still happened as seen on TV in the JJverse. (I'm ignoring the bits where it intersected with the Temporal Cold War of several centuries later because that entire utterly nonsensical plotline basically got reset-buttoned out of existence when Manny Coto took over.)

    However, the term "prequel" generally carries a connotation of an earlier-set work that tries to explain how a later-set work came to be, which I seriously doubt was the intent between ENT and ST XI.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yes--how did they not starve before they could even build aircraft to harvest that stratospheric food source? With no infrastructure (therefore needing to mine the metal, build refining and manufacturing equipment, etc.), it would take months to get anything more sophisticated than a lighter-than-air craft. Any tech that could greatly speed this process up would have also probably have allowed them to build replicators in order to address the food situation (unless replicator technology was totally unknown to them)--or if not full-on replicators, at least equipment to chemically produce amino acids and sugars out of raw elements (which by the way we could do with our current 2010s technology on Earth--we just don't do it on a large scale because it's so much cheaper to grind up plants and animals for our organic materials).
    Well, I didn't want to get into that for the sake of brevity, but since you asked.....

    The first few generations apparently lived by luring these giant flying jellyfish/whale things down low enough that they could harpoon them.... sounds good right? Well... the silly part was the idiotic casualty rate they apparently had. They used themselves as the bait... oh and the jellyfish things had electrified tentacles that could cripple or kill someone with one blow....

    Yeah.... I think the writer was trying to create a scenario to show that the people were rugged survivors or whatever, but the scenario was so over the top that it was ridiculous.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Would have been neat if they used the Bellerophon Class as Refit... and call it Voyager-A, like they did with the Enterprise Refit back in TMP.

    So at what point would the Voyager refit get destroyed, thus paving the way for an "A" version? TMP Enterprise refit was still the NCC-1701. NCC-1701-A was the replacement for the NCC-1701 that Kirk self-destructed in ST IV: Save The Whales. There was no NCC-1701-A in TMP. Or The Wrath of Khan. Or The Search for Spock. Those were all the refitted NCC-1701. ;)
  • otowiotowi Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I would have thought that Tuvok would have taken command of the new U.S.S. Dyson, but then again Voyager fits better from a continuity standpoint.

    Or maybe the NX-01 :P.
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