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Why is it the Voyager is still active service, but the Enterprise E is not???? E is supposed to be way more advanced than V!! Did they just get tired of poor old(not really that old) E?
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Someone designed a new Enterprise way before they did a poll for more Voyager content. So given that they introduced the F over two years ago, but brought back Tuvok only recently, it made sense to use Voyager. Plus, there may be restrictions on the use of the E that aren't on Voyager.
On top of that, just because the Ent-E was decomissioned, doesn't mean anything. When the -D was the flagship, Starfleet still made use of the Excelsior-class, in spite of the advancement to Ambassador and Galaxy classes since the Enterprise-B's introduction.
Although that being said, why Tuvok doesn't have his own ship, rather than pulling Voyager back into service, is beyond me. The man could have had a Vesta, dammnit!
Huh, I guess that makes sense, seeing as the Enterprise is much more well known, but I think a Vesta would have been cooler as well.
I haven't read this story, so I can't personally verify the accuracy of this.
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Janeway was given a desk job as an Admiral in Nemesis. Chakotay became the Director of Starfleet Intelligence.
Tuvok was the third officer, therefore the chain of command would have put him in charge of the ship.
Also keep in mind that he is a rear admiral (I would have preferred Commodore but that's a debate for another day), and according to 'Admiral' Riker in TNG, an admiral gets to pick their own flagship.
Considering all of the history Tuvok had with Voyager, it's not surprising he decided to keep the ship. He's a Vulcan, and has no ego to bruise when it comes to bigger and more advanced ships. And keep in mind that Voyager isn't any ordinary Intrepid-class starship. Seven years of modifications have turned it into a ship just as capable as any of ours. And that's not counting the magical plot armor it had.
In the latest FE he mentioned it was "Agreeable" to be back in the Delta Quadrant with Voyager, so it's clear he has some emotional attachment to both the ship and his time with Captain Bi-Polar.
As the commanding officer of Voyager, it's his turn to actually do some sane and rational things in the Delta Quadrant -- perhaps trying to make up for past mistakes Janeway made, or wanting to do things 'his' way. To which I think he more than deserves.
I'm also not sure just how canon the STO Short Stories are. Unless one of the gold names from Cryptic decides to speak up and confirm or deny that the STO Short Stories count as firm STO canon, I'll consider the fate of the E to be ambiguous.
Since when does something have to make sense in a game that has dinosaurs with friggin lasers on their heads? I think we missed that bus a long long time ago.
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Which reminds me, that lady deserves a promotion for "Surface Tension". The writing in that thing was EPIC.
That's still conjecture. Unless Kestrel or Jesse want to speak up in an official capacity and say for certain, I'm still considering the STO short stories ambiguous in terms of canon. Meaning, it could be or it could not be.
After all, we don't consider the Shatnerverse to be canon because Shatner helped write it. :P
I think, in the confines of the Shatnerverse, whatever Shatner writes is canon. Perhaps in the confines of the Kestrelverse whatever Kestrel writes is canon until such point as a committee is formed to declare it non-canon, based on the "Word of God" trope.
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It's not canon to the TV shows because Paramount and CBS declared that only the TV shows and movies are canon. It's also not canon to the novelverse continuity (i.e. the post-1998 or so continuity containing the Relaunch books, the Star Trek: Titan series, etc.).
But, I'm agreed with zidanetribal: within the confines of itself and any works that reference it, it's canon.
Similarly, I think that unless a STO storyline specifically contradicts something in the STO short stories, we can consider them part of STO canon.
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And chances are good it might actually be canon for the game, but my original point is that just because you work on a Star Trek project, no matter how similar, there should be a clear distinction whether or not it is canon for the other.
For instance there are Star Trek writers who after the shows ended, went on to pen novels. Some of which are considered canon, but not canon for STO. But they were still writers for the Star Trek series, therefore it's more or less just a continuation of the show, right?
Not so much, since they're separate projects. We can assume the STO short stories are canon for our game, but they were made specifically for Star Trek Magazine, not for Star Trek Online.
I'm okay with the short stories being ambiguously canon, really. Because chances are good it probably is. But I won't be 100% satisfied before I hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak (not trying to insult Christine Thompson).
Even if bits and pieces from the short stories match up with the game, based on Cryptic's policy of picking and choosing aspects of the novels and whatnot, I'd still need a firm Yes/No from Cryptic over whether or not to accept the entirety of the STO Short Stories, or just those particular bits and pieces.
It kind of makes sense the Enterprise-E is no longer in service. Sovereign's are a dime a dozen now, with other ships now representing the pinnacle of Federation technology. Why would Starfleet want its flagship to be outdated?
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STO canon borrows quite a bit from the novelverse continuity, actually. Roughly everything from the Titan series except the Typhon Pact entry is in, as is most of the Romulan Civil War arc (although that has a different ending here: Donatra's faction ended up making peace and merging back in, instead of her getting captured and committing suicide in prison). And LOR used a hell of a lot of the Romulan worldbuilding from the Rihannsu books. We've also got Mac Calhoun from the New Frontier series.
On the other hand, pretty much nothing after about 2384 stayed, and the Typhon Pact was never formed.
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Usually the things it borrows are concepts and ideas rather than outright continuity. Mostly they're just references.
The fact that it even had one of the Bio-Torpedos in the tubes was hilarious though. Its been almost 35 years there? Really?
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lore suggests that the enterprise vanished into a small nebula and wasnt heard of since, considered MIA, starfleet built the ENT-F, not waiting on the E to return home. turns out it did return home, but what happened to the crew after this i do not know.
Voyager was meant to be a museum piece on the grounds of starfleet like the nx-01, but like the nx-01 that was brought out of the schematics and put to use with 25th century tech because of the rising violence, voyager was freed from its captivity as well and brought upto specs.
why are you complaining about voyager and Enterprise tech differences, you should re-direct your nerd rage at the difference between nx-01 and sovvie.
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However, ever since arguments over canon began (which, as I recall, was about ten minutes after the James Blish novel Spock Must Die! was published), the official statement has been that if it's been filmed it's canon, and anything else (novels, comics, fanfic, hieroglyphics found carved into a kilometer-high slab on the third moon of Gliese 151g, whatever) was "soft canon" at most. Yes, that means that "JJTrek" is canon, although taking place in a divergent universe with a somewhat different history. (I won't bore you with my treatise on why ENT should be considered a prequel to the Abrams movies...) And to my chagrin, that means Insurrection and Nemesis are canon, as well. Meanwhile, The Wounded Sky, despite its general excellence, is non-canon. Sucks, but there it is.
Captain Koren would disagree with you. Running the FE as a Klingon, she refers to Voyager as a "broken down old relic". I think she also says it belongs in a museum, though that could also be a subtle reference to the Voyager finale.
Could just be Klingon bravado/bluntness, but I assume they wouldn't have written the dialogue like that unless there was some basis in fact.
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I agree. A lot of the novel stuff that I have read is pretty damned good and thoroughly deserves to be made canon. The problem is we can't just say all the novels etc are canon as quite a bit of it is contradictory and some of the stuff is just awful. Sadly, we can't just go picking and choosing which novels or comics to have as canon and which to disregard. We'd be here for the next millennium arguing over what to choose!
On a side note, I've never heard of the idea of Enterprise being a prequel for JJtrek.
That "relic" has a hull strength of like 133k. I wish my ship was a "relic".