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Why is there no Odessey in ESD?
jmaster29
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Now, yes, I am perfectly aware of the odessey flying around outside, but why isn't there ne in the Shipyard?
Now, apparently, the Odessey is the most advanced ship in Starfleet, so wouldn't it make sense to have one in there?
Just my 2 EC
Now, apparently, the Odessey is the most advanced ship in Starfleet, so wouldn't it make sense to have one in there?
Just my 2 EC
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I think Taco said its because the Oddy is too big to fit through the entry door.
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Op said he is aware of the one orbiting the station, you need to read more carefully...
Anyways, i agree. The Odyssey is THE 25th century FED ship and i'd like to see one somewhere in there (and you would expct it to be designed to fit into the docking bay :P)
Hang on, the most advanced ship in Starfleet can't fit through the door? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
Maybe you can read what I said?
Next time, read before posting
Actually not so much. As large as the starbase is depending on the length and width it can exceed spacedock parameters. You may have noticed during TNG that the enterprise D actually as big as it was for its time was a pretty tight fit getting in there. The Oddy is a MONSTER of a ship remember.
Spacedock is roughly a century and a half old and built for ships of that era like the Constitution-class. See here the relevant scene from ST3, where just getting the Ent-Nil in is a fairly tight fit.
The scene that showed the Enterprise-D entering Spacedock was modified stock footage from ST3, and badly scaled, since the Galaxy-class is half-again as wide as the Connie is long. The Odyssey-class is of a similar width to the GCS and roughly a kilometer long.
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Yes, but that's assuming they haven't upgraded Spacedocks shipyards. I mean, most ships are bigger than the Constitution, so they probably upgraded it.
That would have entailed ripping out a considerable portion of the structure at great expense, and rather pointlessly considering that there are any number of other docks in the Sol system that can accommodate Starfleet's biggest ships, ships that are few and far between lore-wise. McKinley Station, for example, can easily fit a GCS, as can the various orbital drydocks near ESD. And let's not forget that most of those ships were built at Utopia Planitia. Real shipyards don't just build ships, they also do upgrades, overhauls, and maintenance.
Also remember, most Starfleet vessels aren't nearly as big as an Oddy, Sov, or GCS. Starfleet's workhorses are smaller, cheaper ships like the Excelsior, Miranda, or in 2409, the Excalibur-class (which is Connie-size).
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Yes, but they'd still have doors to fit larger ships.
In real life, people don't do things for the hell of it. They have to serve a purpose, and the purpose that would be served by the massive construction project you are proposing is already abundantly served by other installations within the system. They can just add capacity onto Utopia Planitia if need be, and much more cheaply.
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Good lord dude cool your effing jets, I was tired and didn't see it.
oh and in time of war and first few years in the post war the new Odyssey would have been rush out the door as fast as passbla and repairs would been done at starbase closer to the battleline.
Right, so they logically wouldn't have done the repairs at ESD since it's nowhere near the front lines. They also don't build ships at ESD.
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So if the Enterprise was a tight fit, wouldn't it have been impossible for the Excelsior to chase her?
And sadly I think JJ Abrams had a point when his ESD was a sprawling array of docks outside the central mushroom. That internal area should have been nothing but shuttles and small frieghters.
Precisely because bigger ships simply would not fit and it would age the station before it's time.
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Forget the door, does the ship even fit in the inside so it can maneuver?
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You don't need to bring every ship into ESD in order to make repairs. If odysseys start coming to ESD, there wouldn't be space for other ships. That one is too big so there are plenty of places outside to make repairs.
so you are say if you trade your geo sidekick for a hummer and had a garage that is big enough to house the hummer but the door where made to fit the geo you wouldn't make the door bigger.
so you would call ship to earth form klingon border for repairs, that can be done at K-7 :P
btw Maybe it's just on the other side in the bay
^Something I have been trying to get people, including Taco, to understand a month back.
The Oddy, even if the saucer can fit through the door, can't even move itself fully into the bay before impacting the center pillar. Neither can anything about 100m longer than the Sovereign.
http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx345/stardestroyer001/Star%20Trek%20Online%20Photos/Untitled-1_zps8ed07356.png
Keep in mind that the Sovereign's listed width of 356.095m is wrong, due to Taco posting incorrect numbers (he didn't resize the box, or something. Idk, I'm not a modelmaker). He said it should be around 245 meters.
In fact, since the Regent is significantly longer than the Sovereign, even it shouldn't be in the bay, since it would either skim the bottom of the door frame, or impact the center pillar.
Obviously, Taco disregarded this and stuck it in there anyway.
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Apparently the Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier is the most advanced carrier in the U.S. surface fleet, so why isn't there one docked in a New York harbor 24/7 for its entire service lifetime so that military personnel can gawk lovingly at it whenever they feel the need?
Why did you even come up with this question? What idiotic thought processes led you to decide that "Odyssey is the best, therefore it should always be in dock for me to see!!!!"?
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It makes much more sense if it's stationed at ESD, to orbit the station and beam required crew over. Just like the U.S.S. Odyssey does funnily enough.
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Instead of that they were smart.
Instead of that they did put smaller doors on that bloody thing.
Considering that the odysee did very well fit in there before the attack (simply because it was in there) this must have happened.
Although... When I fly towards it with my ugly whale... It seems like it would still very much fit through the doors.
I'd raise the point and question: what's to point of putting the big ships in there in the first place? Protection from rain?
Can't be repairs or refits. Because for all we know from the series the installation inside are not better fitted for that then open space, unlike the docking things in utopia planitia or McKinley. There is nothing giving better access to the hull or anything in the mushroom dock.
Or deal with this everytime.
http://youtu.be/hthl28SEGfk?t=2m29s