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deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Ten Forward
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It's important to have proper punctuation. I'm not anal about grammar to be honest... but, at the least... is it too much trouble to put a comma in the right place?
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
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    It's important to have proper punctuation. I'm not anal about grammar to be honest... but, at the least... is it too much trouble to put a comma in the right place?

    You're an elitist for wanting people to communicate clearly and effectively.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
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    It's important to have proper punctuation. I'm not anal about grammar to be honest... but, at the least... is it too much trouble to put a comma in the right place?

    Commas are also the difference between:

    "I love cooking, my family, and puppies!"

    and:

    "I love cooking my family and puppies!"
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    i don't particullary care for spelling and grammar online, it's when... like what Jon said... when a sentence is not really structured, it can be badly misunderstood.
  • grace58grace58 Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    It doesn't bother me so much online like in a game or on the boards; however, if it's a class paper that I'm correcting for someone and it's all basic stuff I'm just like... -_- REALLY!
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    well, the important part is to be understood and have a little clarity. Commas in the right places... that helps
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    punctuation isnt important people can read you perfectly well when you type like this its not annoying at all
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    Punctuation is important.

    Full Stops and Capital Letters.
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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Another problem is monolingual people who are not even good at that ONE language. For example, someone who lives in Greece is under no obligation to learn English, much less achieve native fluency. But if you make the decision to only know and use one language, then you need to master that language. Sadly, I know several monolingual people who don't know how to use a comma. I also know someone who says he is asking a question, but never uses any punctuation of any sort. Honesty, I constantly find myself unable to understand anything these people say. And for your educational purposes, here is this wealth of grammar knowledge.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Another problem is monolingual people who are not even good at that ONE language. For example, someone who lives in Greece is under no obligation to learn English, much less achieve native fluency. But if you make the decision to only know and use one language, then you need to master that language. Sadly, I know several monolingual people who don't know how to use a comma. I also know someone who says he is asking a question, but never uses any punctuation of any sort. Honesty, I constantly find myself unable to understand anything these people say. And for your educational purposes, here is this wealth of grammar knowledge.

    Our fleet is international, but I'm only fluent in English. I usually tap one of the other fleet people who speak the same language they do if I need them, or I'll run what they say through google translate (and no, it's not a perfect solution but for most language barriers I come across, it works -- and the people talking to me know I'm using Google Translate so they're more forgiving of my responses).

    The main issue I have is monolingual people -- except those monolingual people are actually speaking English.

    I know people who have learned English as a seventh or eighth language and they're still able to communicate better in it than native monolingual english speakers.

    If people only know english as an additional language, my leeway with them will stretch very very far.

    It's the native speakers who have been speaking it for 20+ years, but somehow communicate worse that I have issue with.

    But again, that makes me an elitist for saying so.
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,768 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    im down w poncktuation
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    http://connectere.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/lets-eat-grandma-300x300.png?w=640


    It's important to have proper punctuation. I'm not anal about grammar to be honest... but, at the least... is it too much trouble to put a comma in the right place?

    Lets eat grandma!

    Lets eat, grandma!
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    to me grammar isnt a concern, however being someone who has a mental disability, i dont understand what some people say correctly and they dont with me, thats a fact of life. due to my upbringing i also dont have the patience to sit around having someone shoot their mouths off with sarcastic TRIBBLE either.

    you either read it or you dont, simple answer. if you want to add commas yourself and rearrange words with a wordpad on your windows computer then go ahead, at the very least respect the other person when you chat with them about anything, not everyone is the same.
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    to me grammar isnt a concern, however being someone who has a mental disability, i dont understand what some people say correctly and they dont with me, thats a fact of life. due to my upbringing i also dont have the patience to sit around having someone shoot their mouths off with sarcastic TRIBBLE either.

    you either read it or you dont, simple answer. if you want to add commas yourself and rearrange words with a wordpad on your windows computer then go ahead, at the very least respect the other person when you chat with them about anything, not everyone is the same.

    As long as people try, it usually is readable. I can read and understand *most* of what non-english speakers write, even when it has been through a translation program. I can deal with a few typos and general casual as well. What you wrote here is great. There are a few people that write pure gibberish on purpose, and *those* I have a problem with -- it makes the forums a mess for everyone. Mostly, this is excessive leetspeak and shorthand.
  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    wut gramer isnt impertent et al i spel fin wit oot it i am a awrsom speler an rlle gud wit comaz an speling i dont no wut youre talcing abuot
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    to me grammar isnt a concern, however being someone who has a mental disability, i dont understand what some people say correctly and they dont with me, thats a fact of life. due to my upbringing i also dont have the patience to sit around having someone shoot their mouths off with sarcastic TRIBBLE either.

    you either read it or you dont, simple answer. if you want to add commas yourself and rearrange words with a wordpad on your windows computer then go ahead, at the very least respect the other person when you chat with them about anything, not everyone is the same.

    At the very least, you need to have enough periods and commas that you're intelligible. Which you do, mirrorchaos, so you're fine. I saw this one twerp on the Egosoft forum who would blast out these huge walls of text with no punctuation or capitalization at all.

    I tended to call him on it in like manner.

    And then you get the guys who use texting slang in college papers...
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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    At the very least, you need to have enough periods and commas that you're intelligible. Which you do, mirrorchaos, so you're fine. I saw this one twerp on the Egosoft forum who would blast out these huge walls of text with no punctuation or capitalization at all.

    I tended to call him on it in like manner.

    And then you get the guys who use texting slang in college papers...

    Someone at my brothers school always spoke in texting slang. Like, he wouldn't laugh just say "lol" and his spelling/punctuation REALLY sucked.

    P.S. I agree, mirrorchaos has more than enough punctuation to be readable.
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  • pwlaughingtrendypwlaughingtrendy Member Posts: 2,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I always loved Eats Shoots and Leaves.

    Though, as someone who has spoken in front of ~400 people, I must say that language should always be regarded as malleable, organic, and cultural.

    See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY
  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    And then you get the guys who use texting slang in college papers...
    Such behaviour is more common than you might think. Whenever this happens, I do make the students re-write their papers.
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  • jonathanlonehawkjonathanlonehawk Member Posts: 674 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    Let's eat grandma!

    Let's eat, grandma!

    Fixed that for you... :D
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    pwlaughingtrendy wrote: »
    I always loved Eats Shoots and Leaves.

    My favorite involves someone's Uncle whose name was Jack, and an individual helping him dismount an equine lifeform.
    Though, as someone who has spoken in front of ~400 people, I must say that language should always be regarded as malleable, organic, and cultural.

    See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY

    Language should always be regarded as malleable, organic, and cultural. If someone from the UK says he needs to burn a slang term for a cigarette, someone in America (like me), might see that as hate speech. But it isn't hate speech, it's simply a different cultural term.

    But I bet that word would still be censored here on the forums, wouldn't it? Word filters don't take context into account. No more than punctuation is taken into account. Which is where the main problem lies.

    The problem (in my opinion) isn't that there are pedants trying to nitpick like Stephen Fry suggests. The problem is people don't want to clarify what they mean. If asked to clarify, they feel insulted. They start pointing fingers and say you're elitist or pretentious because you don't understand what they're saying.

    My grammar is never 100% perfect, but if anyone asks me to clarify something, I will. I don't take offense to it. I don't feel dumb that I wasn't able to communicate something clearly and effectively.

    But a lot of other people aren't like that, and think that it must be a problem with you and not them.

    Also: Good luck in telling an english teacher that the problem isn't with you learning, it's with the teacher for not recognizing english is malleable, organic, and cultural. :P
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  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    artan42 wrote: »
    Full Stops and Capital Letters.
    Sentence fragment! Consider revising!

    A period wouldn't be appropriate in this instance since the thread title is a title.

    Also:
    artan42 wrote: »
    Full stops and capital letters.
    There are places capital letters don't go. :D
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  • grace58grace58 Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    alexmakepeace wrote: »
    Sentence fragment! Consider revising!

    A period wouldn't be appropriate in this instance since the thread title is a title.

    Also:

    There are places capital letters don't go. :D

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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Everyone should have a copy of Oxford's Dictionary at their desk.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    Commas are also the difference between:

    "I love cooking, my family, and puppies!"

    and:

    "I love cooking my family and puppies!"
    Not when they all taste like chicken. Yum.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Everyone should have a copy of Oxford's Dictionary at their desk.

    You mean on their desk?
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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    You mean on their desk?
    Specifically being on the desk is not a necessity. Your desk could have a bookshelf, you could have a bookshelf next to your desk, or your desk could have a drawer that suffices for keeping books.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Language should always be regarded as malleable, organic, and cultural. If someone from the UK says he needs to burn a slang term for a cigarette, someone in America (like me), might see that as hate speech. But it isn't hate speech, it's simply a different cultural term.


    More amusingly is the slang term for receive, for free, from a friend in relation to a slang term for cigarette.
    alexmakepeace wrote: »
    Sentence fragment! Consider revising!

    A period wouldn't be appropriate in this instance since the thread title is a title.

    Also:

    There are places capital letters don't go. :D

    Why? I add punctuation to titles.

    It's for emphasis :o honest.
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    The Spell Checker here doesn't like it when I speak Australian ( it is slightly different from England English and American English, so it does get pushy with that RED UNDERLINE!!! :mad: ).

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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Even in England, you will find that it is far from all being the same thing. You will encounter a different dialect in Lancashire than from what you encountered in Cambridgeshire. In spite of the island being so small when compared to nations like Norway or Iceland, each region also has a very different accent. You can easily pick out the Essex people by how consonants are dulled, as compared to how South West Peninsula people love to emphasise the "R" sounds, and you will encounter guttural stops in the Scottish Lowlands. The Cornwall dialect, Isle of Wight dialect, and Scottish Highland dialect may as well be their own languages.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    the dialects in the English language is why it's not wise to be a grammar TRIBBLE. All that matters is that you try to make yourself clear.

    Although I hate how my browser, which is set to UK, keeps insisting that colour is not spelled with a u... I'm Canadian! Argh...
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