Proof that STO has no paid writers involved. The STO writing team is either... one of there accountants, programmers, or someones cousin, whom is a proffesional writter... as they work week days at a local funeral home crafting well worded death announcements.
Cryptic is akin to that crazy uncle you have that is to cheap to buy a full set of dishes, and to cheap to put soap in to sinks full of water to wash them. So he flips the plate over every second day and eats off the back side to save some money.
Just hire some writers already... its not a nice thing for a game company to have, it is required. If they have a writer and this is the sort of shlock they put out... replace them.
F-bomb. I was quoting part of The Man Who Never Missed by Steve Perry. Original sender was Sir Thomas Reserve Shamba, original recipient Commander, Confederation Jumptroopers.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
^Okay, if they're fighting over entire galactic clusters, explain why they give half a hump about three little flea-speck countries that are only superpowers when compared to their own neighbors.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
We still don't truly know if who appeared was really actually an Iconian. It still could be some other extremely powerful shape-shifting race using them as a red herring. Even during the last mission in Borg advance had a line that went something like "The Iconians, or someone posing as them". It's still entirely possible that the whole so-called Iconian plot is a cover for something completely different or much bigger by another race. A deception within a deception.
We still don't truly know if who appeared was really actually an Iconian. It still could be some other extremely powerful shape-shifting race using them as a red herring. Even during the last mission in Borg advance had a line that went something like "The Iconians, or someone posing as them". It's still entirely possible that the whole so-called Iconian plot is a cover for something completely different or much bigger by another race. A deception within a deception.
history.
d-day landings wouldnt have happened if the russians haddnt tied up 3/5 to 3/4 of the german army up on the eastern front.
last thing you want when your forces are elsewhere, is for an unexpected breach in your defences to occur.
also, as the shadows would point out, the alpha quadrants constant somewhat balanced infighting is a source of strength due to the development driven by the conflict.
The Federation covers a mere 8,000 LY, and it's not clear whether that is a diameter or a measure of volume. The Klingon Empire is comparable or smaller, and the Romulan Republic barely controls one sector block. That's peanuts on the scale mattjohnsonva is talking about. It's a fruit fly attacking an apatosaurus, except with an even bigger difference in sizes.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Lol, well I could think of the Iconians/who's posing as them being like
===Spoilers for Naruto Shippuden===
Tobi/Obito posing as Madara Uchiha. Who even was taught by Madara to do many things and carry on his will. Just like another race could be taking on the Iconians identity, or maybe they even want to resurrect the Iconians because they were former worshipers/minions of them or something.
Good point, nearly forgot that episode from way back, what if the Iconian plot was just a Tal Shiar creation? After all Iconia is/was in their space so who knows what they may have learned about the Iconians that no one else did. Deep secrets!
The Federation covers a mere 8,000 LY, and it's not clear whether that is a diameter or a measure of volume. The Klingon Empire is comparable or smaller, and the Romulan Republic barely controls one sector block. That's peanuts on the scale mattjohnsonva is talking about. It's a fruit fly attacking an apatosaurus, except with an even bigger difference in sizes.
Good point, nearly forgot that episode from way back, what if the Iconian plot was just a Tal Shiar creation? After all Iconia is/was in their space so who knows what they may have learned about the Iconians that no one else did. Deep secrets!
I didn't occur to me that the Tal Shiar might be imitating the Iconians. They don't really seem to have the resources anymore to do high-end sneaky **** since the destruction of Romulus and the birth of the Romulan Republic.
If it is the Tal Shiar behind all this TRIBBLE, then it might make some sense. They seem to have been involved with TRIBBLE with everyone since the earliest story episodes in the game. Not to mention their mysterious and sudden alliance with the Elachi. Anyone explain that part yet, and why the Iconians would choose the fractured and chaotic Romulan Star Empire to carry out their plans?
"That was not Mozart laughing, Father... that was God. That was God laughing at me, through that... through that obscene giggle."
We still don't truly know if who appeared was really actually an Iconian. It still could be some other extremely powerful shape-shifting race using them as a red herring. Even during the last mission in Borg advance had a line that went something like "The Iconians, or someone posing as them". It's still entirely possible that the whole so-called Iconian plot is a cover for something completely different or much bigger by another race. A deception within a deception.
I'm going to call CBS out as the culprit there. Most likely, Van Citters notcied references to Iconians in some of the older novels and said, "I'm not sure how I feel about the villains in STO being Iconians, definitively. Do you think you guys could cast a little doubt on that so we're not locked into that take elsewhere?"
So I think we'll never find out that they're NOT Iconians. They're just "probably Iconians." Like how the Enterprise-E PROBABLY blew up in fluidic space but we never got hard confirmation on that.
If the Iconians could easily wipe out the Alpha/Beta quadrants by themselves, they would have done so without all the covert infiltration and subversion. Since we can now conclude that we pose a credible threat to them, they just made the biggest strategic blunder imaginable.
If you want to keep your enemies divided and fighting each other, the very worst thing you could do when they unite is to show up at the party all Malificent style and start making vague threats. You might as well paint a big target on your head and hold up a sign saying "I'm the guy who's been TRIBBLE all of you over big-time and you should be united in the close bonds of friendship against me. Would you like my home address?".
We know they're coming. We know they're afraid. And now we've seen their face. They've lost every advantage in psychological warfare that they had over us.
The Iconians are afraid to take on the Dominion.
I doubt they'd want to frontal attack the three powers that turned the Dominion around and sent them home.
Four powers if you count the Prophets.
This was a head game. A single Iconian flexing its muscles in a room full of people celebrating the end of a war.
A room full of people who aren't expecting any threat.
It was an impressive show, but nothing that a little tech and some Telekinesis couldn't pull off just as well.
I'm going to call CBS out as the culprit there. Most likely, Van Citters notcied references to Iconians in some of the older novels and said, "I'm not sure how I feel about the villains in STO being Iconians, definitively. Do you think you guys could cast a little doubt on that so we're not locked into that take elsewhere?"
So I think we'll never find out that they're NOT Iconians. They're just "probably Iconians." Like how the Enterprise-E PROBABLY blew up in fluidic space but we never got hard confirmation on that.
For everyone talking about how the Iconian chick levitated and vaped the 6 klinks. I will remind you of "Ardra" from "Devil's Due".
She managed all sorts of "supernatural" stuff with clever application of transporter, tractor beam and holographic technologies. So the Iconian didn't really do anything truly spectacular in terms of tech application the fact that such tech might have been concealed upon her person is a trifle worrying.(Yes I'm saying she transported the High Council away for later examination, interrogation and, finally, extermination.)
And I say this as someone who loves Star Trek. Has loved it for almost 40 years. Saw the Motion Picture in a theater, opening week. Most of the other movies too. (Including Galaxy Quest, and if anyone tries to tell me that's not a Trek movie I'll laugh in their face.)
But if you're expecting it not to be silly, not to be bombastic and hammy as all get out, not to be predictable, not to go down the tropes list and play every one of them straight... maybe one time in ten, you'll get lucky and get some above-average writing. The other nine times, you're stuck with what's typical of weekly TV and/or big budget movies ... and sometimes you get worse than the average, like "Spock's Brain", or Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, or "Threshold", or (god help you) "These are the Voyages".
Hope for better? Sure. There's always the chance of a "Inner Light" or "Visitor" (or, for that matter, either the original "Tribbles" or its reprise). But expect better? No. That would be foolish, IMO.
For everyone talking about how the Iconian chick levitated and vaped the 6 klinks. I will remind you of "Ardra" from "Devil's Due".
She managed all sorts of "supernatural" stuff with clever application of transporter, tractor beam and holographic technologies. So the Iconian didn't really do anything truly spectacular in terms of tech application the fact that such tech might have been concealed upon her person is a trifle worrying.(Yes I'm saying she transported the High Council away for later examination, interrogation and, finally, extermination.)
'Any sufficiently advanced technology can be considered magic.'
To this i site an entirely different path in general on the possiblity they ARE actually iconians.
Note everything i've stated does not bring the Tal Shiar angle into play (which is a nice bit of conspiracy theory very well thought out for the record.)
The theory i look at is the potential for Star Trek Online going utterly MASSIVE on potential plot scope. Something they have been willing to take runs at in the past.
And on the Romulans: Why not them? Until movie events they were as formidable as any of the other races. They're vulcanoid without the Mind Powers making them less of a direct threat.
No, Data's definitely confirmed alive in the Lore.
Uh, yeah, that was kind of the point.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
My take is different. The Iconians are or were not at all interested in us particularly. They are involved in a game with much higher stakes. By revealing the face of our enemy Cryptic now have to invent a more potent unseen adversary which will become apparent over the coming months and years.
The Iconians are at war with a race of beings of almost unimaginable power. They are not fighting over star systems or galaxies, but their battle ground are galactic clusters, whole and sizeable portions of the universe. By controlling powerful local species across entire galaxies they can lay claim to entire groups of galaxies. They chose powerful servitors, in many different galaxies, however in one galaxy their plans are not working out as smoothly as intended. This has attracted their attention and hence the reveal and the warning.
You can watch the final cut scene again here: MAJOR SPOILER
note what it says, "We give you a single warning". "Do not attract our attention again".
The wording is very interesting, "attract our attention", even after all the massive battles we have had with their servitor races all we did was attract their attention, like a fly landing on your arm, and like a fly the Iconian swatted six warriors with a wave of it's hand.
There is no hint of fear from the Iconian, it was a genuine and single threat from a creature so far in advance of us it barely merited an appearance but perhaps through a desire to save time and energy it was deemed a single warning would be enough.
We are no more threat to them as the fly on our arm is to us and we can be swatted just as easily. They have their own reasons for not doing so but their patience is not unending. Our next move could be our last.
In the "planetarium" scene of "Sphere of Influence", the player calls up the Iconians' information on Earth, Qo'noS and New Romulus (along with a few other planets), and learns that the Feds, Klingons and Romulans were already on the Iconians' radar long before "Surface Tension" - they meant to co-opt them as servitors if they could, or destroy them otherwise. So the warning to "not attract our attention again" makes no sense except as an attempt at a bluff.
My take is different. The Iconians are or were not at all interested in us particularly. They are involved in a game with much higher stakes. By revealing the face of our enemy Cryptic now have to invent a more potent unseen adversary which will become apparent over the coming months and years.
The Iconians are at war with a race of beings of almost unimaginable power. They are not fighting over star systems or galaxies, but their battle ground are galactic clusters, whole and sizeable portions of the universe. By controlling powerful local species across entire galaxies they can lay claim to entire groups of galaxies. They chose powerful servitors, in many different galaxies, however in one galaxy their plans are not working out as smoothly as intended. This has attracted their attention and hence the reveal and the warning.
You can watch the final cut scene again here: MAJOR SPOILER
note what it says, "We give you a single warning". "Do not attract our attention again".
The wording is very interesting, "attract our attention", even after all the massive battles we have had with their servitor races all we did was attract their attention, like a fly landing on your arm, and like a fly the Iconian swatted six warriors with a wave of it's hand.
There is no hint of fear from the Iconian, it was a genuine and single threat from a creature so far in advance of us it barely merited an appearance but perhaps through a desire to save time and energy it was deemed a single warning would be enough.
We are no more threat to them as the fly on our arm is to us and we can be swatted just as easily. They have their own reasons for not doing so but their patience is not unending. Our next move could be our last.
All they want was their old empire back, with Iconia being their sole focus, all this war is just a means to an end to weaken the other races. once the objective is complete for them at least, their allies in these servitor races and whoever remains in the galaxy will either be forced to become slaves to every whim or will be killed. that is their only goal, that is why they have tried so hard to get 8472 to invade going as far as to manufacture false ships and send them into fluidic space, have the borg cause chaos everywhere in the alpha quadrant, bring the voth in through the borg as a proxy. anything that furthers the iconian goal to cause enough trouble is what the iconian goal has been so far.
When the 8472 plan hit the fan, it must of incensed the iconians to the point they were not thinking right, perhaps going to them, warning them of their power and also killing a few will make an Iconian feel free of such failure only to cause another one. As long as the Iconian plans happen and its the direct cause at attacking the alpha quadrant via other races then there is no doubt the iconians will know about it, besides because the iconian came through, they were already watching, so they have spies around.
history.
d-day landings wouldnt have happened if the russians haddnt tied up 3/5 to 3/4 of the german army up on the eastern front.
last thing you want when your forces are elsewhere, is for an unexpected breach in your defences to occur.
also, as the shadows would point out, the alpha quadrants constant somewhat balanced infighting is a source of strength due to the development driven by the conflict.
are you trying to say that our freedom today is earned because the reds saved our skins? if that is the case, why is the USA acting like Russia is its enemy still and why arent the Russians more celebrated in Europe?
It is an Iconian, concept art from yonks ago lines up with the Iconian seen only this one is blue with 6 yellow eyes and a mouth that doesnt move.
judging from what was seen, "it" lifted these klingons up, froze them or did something that looked like it killed them or put them unconcious and then vaporized them.
No, i seriously doubt by the storyline the dev team want to show up that this Iconian is a shapeshifter in disguise and judging by the powers shown by this lifeform, i doubt any shapeshift would be so OP.
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I dislike ambiguity. Sir!
Cryptic is akin to that crazy uncle you have that is to cheap to buy a full set of dishes, and to cheap to put soap in to sinks full of water to wash them. So he flips the plate over every second day and eats off the back side to save some money.
Just hire some writers already... its not a nice thing for a game company to have, it is required. If they have a writer and this is the sort of shlock they put out... replace them.
F-bomb. I was quoting part of The Man Who Never Missed by Steve Perry. Original sender was Sir Thomas Reserve Shamba, original recipient Commander, Confederation Jumptroopers.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Why'd you have to go and spoil the next FE?
They fear what we might become.
How deep does the rabbit hole go?
I'll just leave this here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale
The Federation covers a mere 8,000 LY, and it's not clear whether that is a diameter or a measure of volume. The Klingon Empire is comparable or smaller, and the Romulan Republic barely controls one sector block. That's peanuts on the scale mattjohnsonva is talking about. It's a fruit fly attacking an apatosaurus, except with an even bigger difference in sizes.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Lol, well I could think of the Iconians/who's posing as them being like
===Spoilers for Naruto Shippuden===
Tobi/Obito posing as Madara Uchiha. Who even was taught by Madara to do many things and carry on his will. Just like another race could be taking on the Iconians identity, or maybe they even want to resurrect the Iconians because they were former worshipers/minions of them or something.
===End Spoilers===
Are we sure that was an Iconian?
If so, are we sure those Klingons she killed are dead?
Ooooooh spooooky.
Perhaps we need a legendary Captain to pull our heads out of our asses.
Again
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Due
Good point, nearly forgot that episode from way back, what if the Iconian plot was just a Tal Shiar creation? After all Iconia is/was in their space so who knows what they may have learned about the Iconians that no one else did. Deep secrets!
Hey, at least we didn't transport there. >_>
I didn't occur to me that the Tal Shiar might be imitating the Iconians. They don't really seem to have the resources anymore to do high-end sneaky **** since the destruction of Romulus and the birth of the Romulan Republic.
If it is the Tal Shiar behind all this TRIBBLE, then it might make some sense. They seem to have been involved with TRIBBLE with everyone since the earliest story episodes in the game. Not to mention their mysterious and sudden alliance with the Elachi. Anyone explain that part yet, and why the Iconians would choose the fractured and chaotic Romulan Star Empire to carry out their plans?
I'm going to call CBS out as the culprit there. Most likely, Van Citters notcied references to Iconians in some of the older novels and said, "I'm not sure how I feel about the villains in STO being Iconians, definitively. Do you think you guys could cast a little doubt on that so we're not locked into that take elsewhere?"
So I think we'll never find out that they're NOT Iconians. They're just "probably Iconians." Like how the Enterprise-E PROBABLY blew up in fluidic space but we never got hard confirmation on that.
The Iconians are afraid to take on the Dominion.
I doubt they'd want to frontal attack the three powers that turned the Dominion around and sent them home.
Four powers if you count the Prophets.
This was a head game. A single Iconian flexing its muscles in a room full of people celebrating the end of a war.
A room full of people who aren't expecting any threat.
It was an impressive show, but nothing that a little tech and some Telekinesis couldn't pull off just as well.
Or that Data is PROBABLY still alive. :rolleyes:
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She managed all sorts of "supernatural" stuff with clever application of transporter, tractor beam and holographic technologies. So the Iconian didn't really do anything truly spectacular in terms of tech application the fact that such tech might have been concealed upon her person is a trifle worrying.(Yes I'm saying she transported the High Council away for later examination, interrogation and, finally, extermination.)
It's Star Trek.
And I say this as someone who loves Star Trek. Has loved it for almost 40 years. Saw the Motion Picture in a theater, opening week. Most of the other movies too. (Including Galaxy Quest, and if anyone tries to tell me that's not a Trek movie I'll laugh in their face.)
But if you're expecting it not to be silly, not to be bombastic and hammy as all get out, not to be predictable, not to go down the tropes list and play every one of them straight... maybe one time in ten, you'll get lucky and get some above-average writing. The other nine times, you're stuck with what's typical of weekly TV and/or big budget movies ... and sometimes you get worse than the average, like "Spock's Brain", or Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, or "Threshold", or (god help you) "These are the Voyages".
Hope for better? Sure. There's always the chance of a "Inner Light" or "Visitor" (or, for that matter, either the original "Tribbles" or its reprise). But expect better? No. That would be foolish, IMO.
'Any sufficiently advanced technology can be considered magic.'
To this i site an entirely different path in general on the possiblity they ARE actually iconians.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1093781
I even give a possible foundation for the Q race.
Note everything i've stated does not bring the Tal Shiar angle into play (which is a nice bit of conspiracy theory very well thought out for the record.)
The theory i look at is the potential for Star Trek Online going utterly MASSIVE on potential plot scope. Something they have been willing to take runs at in the past.
And on the Romulans: Why not them? Until movie events they were as formidable as any of the other races. They're vulcanoid without the Mind Powers making them less of a direct threat.
Uh, yeah, that was kind of the point.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Hulk is green.
Green is commonly found in Romulan colour schemes.
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In the "planetarium" scene of "Sphere of Influence", the player calls up the Iconians' information on Earth, Qo'noS and New Romulus (along with a few other planets), and learns that the Feds, Klingons and Romulans were already on the Iconians' radar long before "Surface Tension" - they meant to co-opt them as servitors if they could, or destroy them otherwise. So the warning to "not attract our attention again" makes no sense except as an attempt at a bluff.
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All they want was their old empire back, with Iconia being their sole focus, all this war is just a means to an end to weaken the other races. once the objective is complete for them at least, their allies in these servitor races and whoever remains in the galaxy will either be forced to become slaves to every whim or will be killed. that is their only goal, that is why they have tried so hard to get 8472 to invade going as far as to manufacture false ships and send them into fluidic space, have the borg cause chaos everywhere in the alpha quadrant, bring the voth in through the borg as a proxy. anything that furthers the iconian goal to cause enough trouble is what the iconian goal has been so far.
When the 8472 plan hit the fan, it must of incensed the iconians to the point they were not thinking right, perhaps going to them, warning them of their power and also killing a few will make an Iconian feel free of such failure only to cause another one. As long as the Iconian plans happen and its the direct cause at attacking the alpha quadrant via other races then there is no doubt the iconians will know about it, besides because the iconian came through, they were already watching, so they have spies around.
are you trying to say that our freedom today is earned because the reds saved our skins? if that is the case, why is the USA acting like Russia is its enemy still and why arent the Russians more celebrated in Europe?
It is an Iconian, concept art from yonks ago lines up with the Iconian seen only this one is blue with 6 yellow eyes and a mouth that doesnt move.
judging from what was seen, "it" lifted these klingons up, froze them or did something that looked like it killed them or put them unconcious and then vaporized them.
No, i seriously doubt by the storyline the dev team want to show up that this Iconian is a shapeshifter in disguise and judging by the powers shown by this lifeform, i doubt any shapeshift would be so OP.
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