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Is B'Vat an Undine? Possibly...

admiraltrappittadmiraltrappitt Member Posts: 444 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
On another playthrough of The Doomsday Device, during the cutscene near the Targ, with B'Vat, one line in particular got me thinking.

There are no innocents. There are only the strong... and the weak.

The Undine frequently say that "The weak shall perish," and B'vat wants to create war, and destroy Federation planets, and make "Endless war and strife," and if he attacks planets, the Federation retaliates, making more war.

I really think that B'Vat is an Undine, as it makes alot of sense.

TL;DR: I think B'vat is an Undine.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Dosen't matter... He is dead.
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Don't think so. He is just a, as Quark would put it, "crazy Klingon". Besides, if he was an Undine, wouldn't we have known the moment he died? A corpse transformation perhaps?
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    Don't think so. He is just a, as Quark would put it, "crazy Klingon". Besides, if he was an Undine, wouldn't we have known the moment he died? A corpse transformation perhaps?

    Well that other dude from the Voy terradome didn... The Doc had to inject him with something before it happend.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    IMO, B'Vat was concerned about the fate of the Klingon people. Klingons need conflict to survive and without conflict, they destroy themselves or are no longer the Klingons we know. B'Vat is not dead or at least he didn't die at our hands. We just killed the remnant of a reality that no longer exists. Young B'Vat saw what he became and strived to not become like his older self. After all, if you saw your 50 year old self at 15 and saw that they weighed 500 pounds and was a complete loser, then you would do everything to prevent that scenario from happening.
  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Why would an Undine kidnap Miral Paris and take her back in time to fix the Klingon's ridges though?
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    IMO, B'Vat was concerned about the fate of the Klingon people. Klingons need conflict to survive and without conflict, they destroy themselves or are no longer the Klingons we know. B'Vat is not dead or at least he didn't die at our hands. We just killed the remnant of a reality that no longer exists. Young B'Vat saw what he became and strived to not become like his older self. After all, if you saw your 50 year old self at 15 and saw that they weighed 500 pounds and was a complete loser, then you would do everything to prevent that scenario from happening.

    I am pretty sure I killed him...
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    when you kill an 8472 infiltrator it reverts to its own form, b'vat is 100% not an 8472 infiltrator and anyone entertaining what is already true as a lie should pop their eyes out their sockets for a good cleaning.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    when you kill an 8472 infiltrator it reverts to its own form,

    No it dosen't... The one time we've seen a 8472 die in humanoid form (in canon), it took an injection for it to revert...

    Maybe YOU want to clean those sockets, and then go back to watching Voyager, and then stop insulting people who have better memory than you.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No he is not. You go into the past and meet him when he was younger. Fortunately, the Undine cannot travel though time.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    when you kill an 8472 infiltrator it reverts to its own form,

    No, that's Skrulls.

    But as pointed out elsewhere, you go back in time and meet B'vat's past self, making it unlikely. Plus, I've noticed in this game the Undine usually transform back into their true form before fighting you. B'vat didn't do that.
  • crm14916crm14916 Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    I am pretty sure I killed him...

    Umm, nope... that was definitely me who killed him...

    ;)
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  • foundrelicfoundrelic Member Posts: 1,380 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    I am pretty sure I killed him...

    No, pretty sure I killed him.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiraltrappitt wrote: »
    On another playthrough of The Doomsday Device, during the cutscene near the Targ, with B'Vat, one line in particular got me thinking.

    There are no innocents. There are only the strong... and the weak.

    The Undine frequently say that "The weak shall perish," and B'vat wants to create war, and destroy Federation planets, and make "Endless war and strife," and if he attacks planets, the Federation retaliates, making more war.

    I really think that B'Vat is an Undine, as it makes alot of sense.

    TL;DR: I think B'vat is an Undine.

    Nope, he's just an evil psychopath who thinks Klingons need an outside enemy all the time or they'll turn on each other. Which IMHO makes him more dangerous.
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