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mynameisnommynameisnom Member Posts: 639 Arc User
edited April 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Ok... just saying, anything feeling a little out of touch? Sure you saw ships flying all over, and mostly in DS9 fighting scenes in space, but other than that stuff was done on the ground, even if inside ships. So why is it the least popular? People complain of stuff being too OP In ground. Just saying. Really. So people vaping cruisers in cell ships or shuttles isn't OP? Elachi dbbs with bo3 hitting 90k isnt OP? Fawdemeptw3 Marion cruisers aren't op, being able to destroy a ships hull while keeping it's shields up isn't OP? Just saying that is a incredibly lame excuse. So let's try the its cheesy excuse... space... even with full points In power insulator a Sci drain ship can co.pletely drain all my power systems and just shoot me to death, and I can't do TRIBBLE about it. Eptw? Core capacitator? None of those bring anything back online for 2-3 secs. ok and how about subspace circuit, or graviton pulse, or a vesta activating quantum focused bubble with the activated with Voth doff so you lose half a dreadnought hp in the matter of seconds. Just saying. The only reason people hate ground is Cuz they go into ground arena or assault and get 1 - shotted by tactical with lungecloak, or engi with mines and stasis pistol/ ophidian cane or scis that cover you in a purple bubble so you get so laggy you have no clue what you're doing and either die or get lagged out of the game. It's kinda scary seeing how my caitan fed which is only t1 all reps can utterly destroy a team of 3 lvl 50's all at t5 reps with ease. That is how bad it is. Just a notice to you all :P
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stoutes wrote: »
Those fish are much like their masters, filthy backstabbers... All battlecloaked fish, waiting for the right moment...
The boss being a gigantic Winter Epohh Researcher. As you lay waste to the Epohh Horde, she can occasionally cry out things like, "Didn't you want an Epohh friend?"
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  • mynameisnommynameisnom Member Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    deokkent wrote: »
    The issue I'm having right now is that I ask questions around, the replies are always "lolground".:rolleyes: Another fed fleet mate asked some questions in OPvP, she felt like the answers were making fun, nothing fruitful.

    The thing is I'm pretty much fed up with space, it feels like I've done it all. Me and a few people in my fleet are exploring ground, but we have huge obstacles in our path. We realize we're on our own. Well I do at least.

    To OP, all those problems you say are problematic for ground, are also present in space maps. So...

    Thanks :D and if you have any ground questions redditchat would most likely help, or you can ask me :)
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    stoutes wrote: »
    Those fish are much like their masters, filthy backstabbers... All battlecloaked fish, waiting for the right moment...
    The boss being a gigantic Winter Epohh Researcher. As you lay waste to the Epohh Horde, she can occasionally cry out things like, "Didn't you want an Epohh friend?"
  • loverofwarsloverofwars Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    It's kinda scary seeing how my caitan fed which is only t1 all reps can utterly destroy a team of 3 lvl 50's all at t5 reps with ease. That is how bad it is. Just a notice to you all :P

    hehe been there, kinda fun making the other team retreat from a t1 or t0 rep character. you may end up with a target on your back thro lil ego's get hurt.
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Cats are OP, plz dog
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  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited April 2014
    To me ground PvP is a race to the flank, and all the exact dynamics are vague. Ground PvP is even more clunky than space and 3 weapons rule the ground arc wave/Sniper/Melee use used with ambush
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  • loverofwarsloverofwars Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Cats are OP, plz dog

    many times its been proven in pvp queues other races are just as deadly as caitians it doesn't make a huge difference as any alien human klingon romulan etc can easily fight and do better its all about personal skill you can place a caitian and any other career head to head same gear traits rep it comes right down to who is a better player
  • mynameisnommynameisnom Member Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    many times its been proven in pvp queues other races are just as deadly as caitians it doesn't make a huge difference as any alien human klingon romulan etc can easily fight and do better its all about personal skill you can place a caitian and any other career head to head same gear traits rep it comes right down to who is a better player

    This. Sure cats can kill peeps. But I could also just as easily hop on my Romulan and still kill people in ground.
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    stoutes wrote: »
    Those fish are much like their masters, filthy backstabbers... All battlecloaked fish, waiting for the right moment...
    The boss being a gigantic Winter Epohh Researcher. As you lay waste to the Epohh Horde, she can occasionally cry out things like, "Didn't you want an Epohh friend?"
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  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited April 2014
    edalgo wrote: »
    Yes we need Mogs in ground. I think I'll name that character Barf!


    Barf Thanks You. :D
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  • tk79tk79 Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    (snip) get 1 - shotted by tactical with lungecloak, or engi with mines and stasis pistol/ ophidian cane or scis that cover you in a purple bubble so you get so laggy you have no clue what you're doing and either die or (snip)

    Pretty much this.

    Caitians are fine in comparison. Never had major problems with(against) them.
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  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    Cats are OP? This is so 2012. :P:D

    Melee? This is so 2013. ;)

    The main issue with Ground PvP in general is that there are a few people who like to gank'n'grief players who are new to ground.
    This is Crypticverse... :mad:
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    zeratk wrote: »
    Cats are OP? This is so 2012. :P:D

    Melee? This is so 2013. ;)

    The main issue with Ground PvP in general is that there are a few people who like to gank'n'grief players who are new to ground.

    Well, there are a few more overpowered things at the moment:
    1. Chroniton Mine Barrier - 2,200-4,000 damage every 22 seconds with 50% Shield Bypass.
      • Made overpowered after removing "damage reduced by range" to fix Caitians leaping over the mine barrier in order to take minimum damage
    2. Lunge - Overpowered when stacking Critical hit/severity buffs. 80% Shield Bypass.
    3. Subspace Manipulator trait - Stacks with other copies and can have 100% uptime.
    4. Food - Multiple types of food essentially provide players with +1-2 traits per food buff.
    5. Catians - Multiple issues.
      • Dodge stacking with run in between weapon shots.
      • Jump flanking targets and intentionally triggering the camera shake bug on the target.
        • Players shouldn't need to have "Reset Camera" on hotkey just because players enjoy exploiting this bug to get kills via cats.
      • Shanty Town terrain exploits - Running up walls to escape death.

    Mine Barrier and Lunge may be fixed by reducing the damage output or reducing the shield bypassing damage. Subspace manipulator may be fixed by reducing the trait version of dampening field to 15 seconds and removing the multiple trait stack effect. Food may be fixed by limiting the food stacking to a single type. If they don't let us stack tribbles, then we shouldn't be able to stack food either. Cats may be fixed by removing the ability to shoot while jumping, adding a 2 second delay before the run +75% dodge bonus kicks in, and revamping the Shanty Town map to remove exploitable terrain/opening the map to all races.
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  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Even if it is far away from balance, ground PVP today is more balance than space by a big margin. Space PVP is at the state of ground when tacts with the cryo gun and perfect stealth could kill some one with out even knowing what hit them.

    Yes, cats are OP, yes mines are a bit op and also lounge.. but hell, is perfect if we think about Space.
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  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Even if it is far away from balance, ground PVP today is more balance than space by a big margin. Space PVP is at the state of ground when tacts with the cryo gun and perfect stealth could kill some one with out even knowing what hit them.

    Yes, cats are OP, yes mines are a bit op and also lounge.. but hell, is perfect if we think about Space.

    Agreed, Ground PvP is in a lot better shape compared to Space PvP at the moment.
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  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Agreed, Ground PvP is in a lot better shape compared to Space PvP at the moment.

    The biggest problem is that the population is soooo low, that you can play maybe 1 or 2 games in the hole nigth.
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  • mynameisnommynameisnom Member Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    So the real point is that nobody wants to do ground pvp Cuz they get beaten once then leave and never come back :(
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    stoutes wrote: »
    Those fish are much like their masters, filthy backstabbers... All battlecloaked fish, waiting for the right moment...
    The boss being a gigantic Winter Epohh Researcher. As you lay waste to the Epohh Horde, she can occasionally cry out things like, "Didn't you want an Epohh friend?"
  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    Well, there are a few more overpowered things at the moment:
    1. Chroniton Mine Barrier - 2,200-4,000 damage every 22 seconds with 50% Shield Bypass.
      • Made overpowered after removing "damage reduced by range" to fix Caitians leaping over the mine barrier in order to take minimum damage
    2. Lunge - Overpowered when stacking Critical hit/severity buffs. 80% Shield Bypass.
    3. Subspace Manipulator trait - Stacks with other copies and can have 100% uptime.
    4. Food - Multiple types of food essentially provide players with +1-2 traits per food buff.
    5. Catians - Multiple issues.
      • Dodge stacking with run in between weapon shots.
      • Jump flanking targets and intentionally triggering the camera shake bug on the target.
        • Players shouldn't need to have "Reset Camera" on hotkey just because players enjoy exploiting this bug to get kills via cats.
      • Shanty Town terrain exploits - Running up walls to escape death.

    Mine Barrier and Lunge may be fixed by reducing the damage output or reducing the shield bypassing damage. Subspace manipulator may be fixed by reducing the trait version of dampening field to 15 seconds and removing the multiple trait stack effect. Food may be fixed by limiting the food stacking to a single type. If they don't let us stack tribbles, then we shouldn't be able to stack food either. Cats may be fixed by removing the ability to shoot while jumping, adding a 2 second delay before the run +75% dodge bonus kicks in, and revamping the Shanty Town map to remove exploitable terrain/opening the map to all races.

    I acknowledge those issues, but personally i haven't witnessed a OneHitLungeKill in a couple of months. I suffered none. Same for PulseWaveOneShotKills. I guess they are getting countered a lot by Reputation Auto Heals and Fleet Equipment at the moment.
    On the other hand there aren't a lot of Operative Cats left in the game as far i recognize it at the moment. Funnily it was a Premade Fleet that complained about Cats in Ground PvP a few weeks ago here on the forum, that is running 50% Cats these days on their own teams.

    For many issues that are up to date it is all about who uses them and who doesn't. It is only a small group of people who really uses Black Bubbles, Massive Chain Rooting, and other broken stuff on a regular basis these days. Concerning Food Stacking only one name comes to my mind, and this particular person massively overestimates himself.

    As a conclusion it is more or less a question if new players who join Ground PvP run into a group of players who use broken or unbalanced stuff or if they meet the vast majority of players who don't.

    There are issues but a vast majority of the players came to an understanding that several things in Ground PvP shouldn't be used.
    This is Crypticverse... :mad:
  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    or engi with mines and stasis pistol/ ophidian cane

    This for example is relatively out of date. You won't see regular players using stasis pistols these days. And Mines + Cane seems to become unusual as well. Most people use the Ophidiae as a decloaking mechanism.
    Nonetheless there still is the potential to apply them in these ways.
    So the real point is that nobody wants to do ground pvp Cuz they get beaten once then leave and never come back :(

    The problem is there a few people who deliberately prevent new players from getting a foot in the door.
    This is Crypticverse... :mad:
  • farseeridranelfarseeridranel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The only problem is the hatred among a couple of players I believe. Especially a "certain fleet" receives a lot of it, if you read in the forums here, then you can figure that out. I suggest you do pvp with friends. There you can train, try builds and tactics etc. That makes life easier.

    For sure, there are overpowered things like mines and other stuff, but I am pretty sure, that ground pvp can be fun in a friendly atmosphere. People just need to calm down and remember, that this is a game, and that we are here to have fun. And maybe the people who have so much trouble with each other could just meet in Drozana and talk that out with some nice Romulan Ale.
  • falklander1989falklander1989 Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The only problem is the hatred among a couple of players I believe. Especially a "certain fleet" receives a lot of it, if you read in the forums here, then you can figure that out. I suggest you do pvp with friends. There you can train, try builds and tactics etc. That makes life easier.

    For sure, there are overpowered things like mines and other stuff, but I am pretty sure, that ground pvp can be fun in a friendly atmosphere. People just need to calm down and remember, that this is a game, and that we are here to have fun. And maybe the people who have so much trouble with each other could just meet in Drozana and talk that out with some nice Romulan Ale.

    Well that certain fleet kill all the fun with their constant pug stomping.They know very good that there is no any other premade on ground in the moment and if they really hate that much playing togeher with anyone that is not in their fleet they should atlest split in 2 teams and give other people who enjoy ground pvp a fighting chance.
  • angiewilliamsangiewilliams Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    zeratk wrote: »
    I acknowledge those issues, but personally i haven't witnessed a OneHitLungeKill in a couple of months. I suffered none. Same for PulseWaveOneShotKills. I guess they are getting countered a lot by Reputation Auto Heals and Fleet Equipment at the moment.

    One shot lunge still very doable but still easy to counter with the proper gear and a good roll.

    For many issues that are up to date it is all about who uses them and who doesn't. It is only a small group of people who really uses Black Bubbles, Massive Chain Rooting, and other broken stuff on a regular basis these days. Concerning Food Stacking only one name comes to my mind, and this particular person massively overestimates himself.

    HMMM

    One shot lunge still very doable but still easy to counter with the proper gear and a good roll.

    Glad it's not me I have been known to q on tier zero rep with TRIBBLE gear while everyone else holds their toons till they are fully repped up and geared up But the ability to stack foods is not broken. The easy solution is well go out and freaking buy some DUH! LOL.

    I can't remember the last time chain rooting from 2 fuse armor ever led to me getting killed but maybe it's cause I carry sure footed and have expert timing on how to get out of those messes. Black holes not op if you know what you are doing. It's funny I am one of the few people in this game that doesn't have issues with what some people are calling op bs. Why do you all have issues with it all while it never gets me killed? Am I the only one around doing it right?
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I thought spacers had egos. Jesus
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  • angiewilliamsangiewilliams Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I thought spacers had egos. Jesus

    Not really I am basically just calling it exactly as it is. Certain things that are labeled as op in reality are very counter able. Most of the QQ comes from tacts cause they fail to adapt to the game and are pissed that they can't one shot anything anymore. This is coming from a heavy tact player here too!
  • soulll78soulll78 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You have an expert-timing in logging out before dying and logging in after some sec. ;)
  • angiewilliamsangiewilliams Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    soulll78 wrote: »
    You have an expert-timing in logging out before dying and logging in after some sec. ;)

    Listen cupcake all you have ever done is hide behind your premade both in fs and fleet command germany. You never once have been able to dent me without any form of help. You wanna go 1 on 1 cupcake or hide behind your premade? Until you can reach my level keep your mouth shut noob end of story! Everyone not in fs knows your a total noob anyway! :0
  • soulll78soulll78 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    if you have not noticed it yet ground pvp is always with teams. you have no team and that is your problem and not my. if you think you have to do solo runs do it but 1v1 is not pvp it's just an dps fight
  • soulll78soulll78 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    you don't know how hard it is to build a good premade
  • angiewilliamsangiewilliams Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Wrong cupcake I was with Hammer and during that time we beat fs and fes on the regular even while fs ran 4 fail cloaker teams. That was comical. Lack of a current team due to a low playerbase is out of my control. if you want to try me 1 on 1 put up or shut up! You think 1 on 1 ground is just a dps race? LOL you think we can just face each other down and shoot till we run out of tank or die? PFFT you might want to fight me 1 on 1 then you might learn some things that help you in team play. It's okay though some things are being setup for season 9 that's pretty much going to keep fs out of the premade q's if they actually add them to ground!
  • soulll78soulll78 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ohh biggs is insulting other persons your hobby? we weren't in fs during that time
  • janetza#4790 janetza Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I thought spacers had egos. Jesus

    I would not say the egos. As it has been revealed to me, there are mentally ill players on ground, but their issues are no more if Cryptic shall bring no premade que on ground.
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