playing sto is hard

origcaptainquack

with all the builds for ships, characters, bridge officiers, duty officiers, and now kits. the game is hard to play esp if you want one of the best ships eqipped in game. there too much to learn for no real reward. pvp is horrible. with making the game where you have to think so much in order not to even accomplish something, why bother playing sto? most games you dont have to think half as much in order to get character situated for playing. even the concept of change is great, its alot of work and reading. im starting to think its not worth the effort.

zurganus

origcaptainquack wrote: »

with all the builds for ships, characters, bridge officiers, duty officiers, and now kits. the game is hard to play esp if you want one of the best ships eqipped in game. there too much to learn for no real reward. pvp is horrible. with making the game where you have to think so much in order not to even accomplish something, why bother playing sto? most games you dont have to think half as much in order to get character situated for playing. even the concept of change is great, its alot of work and reading. im starting to think its not worth the effort.

So...let me see...you are wanting cookie cutter builds, with minimal effort, for great reward...yeaaaah that aint gonna happen. As for it being too hard...I am not sure what game you are playing, but its definitely not STO.

architect13

Pong is available for download.

questerius

Practice key is young padawan.

phalanx01

OP are you serious or just trolling? I'd wager a guess and go for option B...

lan451

You want less customization and choice because you think it's too hard? Is this a real thread?

darkjeff

Being the "best" at anything is never easy.

That applies to WoW, Age of Conan, Vindictus, Neverwinter, Guild Wars 2, Star Trek Online, and life in general.

edgecrysger

origcaptainquack wrote: »

with all the builds for ships, characters, bridge officiers, duty officiers, and now kits. the game is hard to play esp if you want one of the best ships eqipped in game. there too much to learn for no real reward. pvp is horrible. with making the game where you have to think so much in order not to even accomplish something, why bother playing sto? most games you dont have to think half as much in order to get character situated for playing. even the concept of change is great, its alot of work and reading. im starting to think its not worth the effort.

Dude... what do yo need to think?? how to kill your enemies??

Do you realize that this is an MMORPG right?? not the arkanoid??

ANY mmorpg has its own difficulty and a lot of things to care of, STO is not special. If you cant handle STO for being too "complicated" dont try any other mmorpg... this is a STAR TREK game and the star trek universe is vast and complicated, if you are not a person who likes STAR TREK, i understand it can be confusing.. and complicated. But that will be the first month, after that, things get easier.

vedauwoo

darkjeff wrote: »

Being the "best" at anything is never easy.

That applies to WoW, Age of Conan, Vindictus, Neverwinter, Guild Wars 2, Star Trek Online, and life in general.

I've always felt that there should be a random variable that changes daily, hourly or weekly that tweaks which build is "OP." They do this now, sort of, every few months with tweaks to various powers and "balance issues" but if it changed all the time at random, it would certainly make seeking out 14 different builds a futile gesture (or a killer collection activity) and just make folks play with what they have.

nyxadrill

http://www.freeinvaders.org/welcome.php

There you go, problem solved for you :P

johankreig

i think the old LTP accronym is good for this one, The game is as easy or as hard as youy make it, and tbh it sounds like you want everything for nothing, like in any game, be prepared to work for your rewards, you will find the end result most pleasing, or if your like me and just do stuff as u like it, make multiple toons and experiment, the game is for fun its not real nor is it to be taken too seriously.

sunfrancks

Not hard in any stretch of the imagination, but expensive and sometimes complicated, yes.

johankreig

yes but if it wasnt would we still play, I for one like some of the complexities of it because when your fed up of them you can always go bash a few drones together and make a fire.

edgecrysger

darkjeff wrote: »

Being the "best" at anything is never easy.

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This is a joke, right?? (i seriously hope you dont consider STO as the "best".. lol, its the opposite in my opinion).

riccardo171

origcaptainquack wrote: »

with all the builds for ships, characters, bridge officiers, duty officiers, and now kits. the game is hard to play esp if you want one of the best ships eqipped in game

Building a ship that works with so many variables to take care of is lot of fun and very rewarding for you.

origcaptainquack wrote: »

there too much to learn for no real reward.worth the effort.

I suggest you go watching disney channel if you don't want to learn.

origcaptainquack wrote: »

pvp is horrible.

PvP is fine, and community is epic.

origcaptainquack wrote: »

with making the game where you have to think so much in order not to even accomplish something, why bother playing sto? most games you dont have to think half as much in order to get character situated for playing.

STO is hard to play, in PvP only skilled players will get to the end of the match and have fun. If this doesn't suit you for the mentioned reasons, Control Panel -> Uninstall a program. Rest is up to you. For sure we don't need more QQers in here.

thecosmic1

To some extent I have to agree with the OP - and I have said similar things in the past. Very little of the game is actually explained to you.

You start in your T1 ships and everything is fine, because everyone is using the same basic T1 ship. Then you get promoted into T2 and all of a sudden you are supposed to understand the differences between Cruiser, Science, and Escort - as well as how your chosen Class functions in each of them. There is nothing in game that explains to new players why they might decide to choose a Cruiser over an Science Vessel. And on top of all that you have now had Dilithium and Doffing dumped on you without any real understanding of the importance of Dilithium or exactly how Doffing is supposed to benefit you over time. And all of this happens very quickly because leveling is at Light-speed in the game with you going into a T3 vessel in around 10 /played hours and being at end-game around 25.

I have been here since before the Trek license was even announced as purchased by Cryptic and there are still things in this game I do not fully understand - such as where to hunt-down all the Doff chains or exactly how some of the various Equipable items are calculated into your stats when you slot them or choose a Skill - or why you should choose Engine type A over B, or Shield type D over E, etc. Very little of this game is actually explained while you play - which is why there are always so many repeat questions on the forum constantly.

And yes, all established games have a learning curve that you either deal with or you do not play, but in many instances it seems like STO goes out of its way to not make things intuitive or even marginally understandable.

edgecrysger

riccardo171 wrote: »

PvP is fine, and community is epic.


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You played another game. One of the worst things and most horrible things on STO is pvp lol. Because it is almost non existent. Because only a few play pvp in STO. Because it is messed up. And the community.. well, im not going to go that way.

phoenicius

thecosmic1 wrote: »

To some extent I have to agree with the OP - and I have said similar things in the past. Very little of the game is actually explained to you.

You start in your T1 ships and everything is fine, because everyone is using the same basic T1 ship. Then you get promoted into T2 and all of a sudden you are supposed to understand the differences between Cruiser, Science, and Escort - as well as how your chosen Class functions in each of them. There is nothing in game that explains to new players why they might decide to choose a Cruiser over an Science Vessel. And on top of all that you have now had Dilithium and Doffing dumped on you without any real understanding of the importance of Dilithium or exactly how Doffing is supposed to benefit you over time. And all of this happens very quickly because leveling is at Light-speed in the game with you going into a T3 vessel in around 10 /played hours and being at end-game around 25.

I have been here since before the Trek license was even announced as purchased by Cryptic and there are still things in this game I do not fully understand - such as where to hunt-down all the Doff chains or exactly how some of the various Equipable items are calculated into your stats when you slot them or choose a Skill - or why you should choose Engine type A over B, or Shield type D over E, etc. Very little of this game is actually explained while you play - which is why there are always so many repeat questions on the forum constantly.

And yes, all established games have a learning curve that you either deal with or you do not play, but in many instances it seems like STO goes out of its way to not make things intuitive or even marginally understandable.

and... you beaten me to it, took me over half a year of regular play to actually learn how to make non-horrible builds, because the game does its hardest to keep information from you.

this is why you have people using DBB cruisers, beam escorts, rainbow/skittle ships, etc, and it doesn't help when someone asks either ingame or the forums "what is the best (insert random stuff here)" folks have to give that incredibly dumb answer "there is no best", which doesn't explain a thing.

i disagree however that playing time has anything to do it, 25h to get to max level(and that is if you're basically blasting through the content, since it tends to be more than that), should be enough to teach how to play something, even if not perfect, the problem lies with the lack of explanation.

aloishammer

origcaptainquack wrote: »

the game is hard to play esp if you want one of the best ships eqipped in game.

STO hard? That's so laughable it's potentially dangerous, as people could pass out from laughing too hard.

But if STO is too hard, fear not- for there are games made to suit those who find STO too hard. I present to you- Progress Quest!

nesomumi2

origcaptainquack wrote: »

with all the builds for ships, characters, bridge officiers, duty officiers, and now kits. the game is hard to play esp if you want one of the best ships eqipped in game. there too much to learn for no real reward. pvp is horrible. with making the game where you have to think so much in order not to even accomplish something, why bother playing sto? most games you dont have to think half as much in order to get character situated for playing. even the concept of change is great, its alot of work and reading. im starting to think its not worth the effort.

you are thinking right, leave, and don't get back

bobbydazlers

I don't know anything about what builds are best or what goes with what or doesn't, its all way above me.
but I just bung in the highest tier of whatever I can lay my hands on preferably rare on very rare and any sets that I might have picked up one way or another.
most likely any players in the know would swoon if they see what I was using but it works ok for me....... mostly.

rmy1081

origcaptainquack wrote: »

with all the builds for ships, characters, bridge officiers, duty officiers, and now kits. the game is hard to play esp if you want one of the best ships eqipped in game. there too much to learn for no real reward. pvp is horrible. with making the game where you have to think so much in order not to even accomplish something, why bother playing sto? most games you dont have to think half as much in order to get character situated for playing. even the concept of change is great, its alot of work and reading. im starting to think its not worth the effort.

Try http://hilbertguide.com/.

I know it says PvP, but it all works for PvE too.

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szim

Well there's something that has never been mentioned before. The game requires too much thinking :rolleyes: If only some people would THINK a little more before they write something.

pwecangetlost

In the OP's defence. The game is not especially newbie friendly. You level up so quickly you don't have time to adjust to anything or work out what's going on before you're getting new mechanics thrown at you thick and fast and very little is well explained.

I've introduced several, quite intelligent, friends to the game, and I've had to sit down and explain things like doffs to them. It took one of them a couple of months to realise they could switch between RPG and shooter mode, or even promote their boffs. At least the tutorials are better now.

A significant amount is easier if you've played MMOs before as I had, but please don't take it for granted that not everyone has. Due to this being Star Trek it brings in people who would not otherwise play RPGs or MMOs, so the mechanics and concepts aren't so easy for them.

remianen

origcaptainquack wrote: »

with all the builds for ships, characters, bridge officiers, duty officiers, and now kits. the game is hard to play esp if you want one of the best ships eqipped in game. there too much to learn for no real reward. pvp is horrible. with making the game where you have to think so much in order not to even accomplish something, why bother playing sto? most games you dont have to think half as much in order to get character situated for playing. even the concept of change is great, its alot of work and reading. im starting to think its not worth the effort.

If this game makes you think too much, never, ever, ever play EVE. The very idea of transversal velocity would consume all of your brain's processing power. We won't even get into the mechanics of cornering the market on one item with moderate demand, in three regions (one of which is a tertiary trade hub).

This game is about as difficult to pick up and play as Lincoln logs and Lego. It seems the problem stated in the OP is someone wants to be at the top levels of performance, without putting any effort into getting there.

saihung423

architect13 wrote: »

Pong is available for download.

Paddle is OP plz nerf

chiyoumiku

I disagree. I find that this game is only as hard as I choose to make it. Find yourself a good fleet with good members who are willing to teach and it's a lot easier. I fell into an awesome fleet who has gotten my builds off the ground nicely.

worffan101

I find STO to be easy to learn, hard to master.

Just the way I like it.

coupaholic

I see the OP's point, a friend of mine has similar sentiments.

The thing is though you make it hard on yourself. Going the min-max route in a game like STO where rules are always changing and better gear is always being added is tough. Unless you play hardcore or sink in cash you'll never keep up.

But the point is, you don't need to do it. Any of it.

STO's flexibility is a very good thing. The option to fly whatever ship you want, in whatever configuration you want, is one of the main strengths of the game. It can be daunting to new players I'm sure, I certainly agree the game does an awful job of explaining things. But with practice it'll come.

jonsills

I had to check the OP to make sure it wasn't posted yesterday. It sure sounded like an April Fool's joke.