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[MI Event/Rant] Gotta love misinformed people...

royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Decided to do a quick Mirror run before cooking dinner, so I hop into the queue in my Dyson warbird. We start up and I take off, closing rifts as I go. No one helping me - well, hardly unusual. At least the Dyson gives me some decent options for soloing the rifts - cloaking, drop Sci fleet to take aggro, Quantum Absorbtion all work fairly well. I do get held up a bit and since I can't close enough by myself, the station falls. Fine, we mop up the dreadnaught rifts quickly and pound the big lug into submission. 35 marks. :P

So I look back at my chat log and one of the other team members basically said at one point "What, you're not gonna do anything?" Dude, you talking to me? Sure enough, I try to respond and I'm on ignore. Just gotta love people that are so freakin' clueless about how this event works that they get pissy with the one person who is actually trying to do what its designed to do.

Not like I give a flying rat's you-know-what. It's just a sad commentary.
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Ran one the other day where there was just one sci ship.

    So, i followed it around in my tvaro and figured Id run interference.

    Would he actually ever stop to close a rift? Nope.

    Damn thing kept aggroing mobs continuously, never withdrew to close rifts while I took the aggro off him, just kept trying to out DPS me.

    Eventually, it got to the point where I'm closing rifts in the Tvaro while the sci ship keeps shooting at things.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yeah I tend to see a lot of the pugs I am in, just wasting time destroying endless ships from the rifts because they never close them.

    Ahh nothing like 50 or so Typhoons to get your day started right. :P
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  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    Yeah I tend to see a lot of the pugs I am in, just wasting time destroying endless ships from the rifts because they never close them.

    Ahh nothing like 50 or so Typhoons to get your day started right. :P

    yup, nothing more fun than getting cooked within your own shields

    Everyone seems to go attack enemies or power up the station, and completely ignore rifts, even worse when, during the second part, they attack the enemies at a rift......and then never close the rift and go straight for the Dreadnought.
  • minusthedrifter2minusthedrifter2 Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The first time I pugged thus mission there was someone screaming at everyone to avoid the rifts and only power up and kill the ships... everyone listened.

    That was the last time I pugged.
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not sure why everyone ignores the rifts. I've been seeing it this entire time.

    I had a match yesterday with 4 sci ships and me in my escort. Guess who ended up closing rifts? Well, tried to anyway. I didn't have much success with it. I think I got maybe 10 closed before the second stage started. Having leechers doesn't help either, but that's a different issue.
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I do my best to avoid pugging MI Elite or Normal but sometimes its becomes necessary to do so and let me tell you it can be quite the nightmare.

    Dealing with Leechers.

    Players screaming help me kill things instead of powering up the station or closing the Rifts :rolleyes:

    So called Pros who scream at everyone if the station gets overrun but do not seem to grasp the concept that the reason the station is being over run is because there not drawing Argo away from the closer :confused:

    Avoid pugging like the plague unless your into torture ;)
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  • suralhatespwesuralhatespwe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You aren't alone. I've been running them and more often then not I see people congregating around the station not closing rifts. Then they start complaining about the station losing health. Really annoys me. This is one reason I hate PuGs. I run into more people that have no idea what to do there.

    Tho honestly...Not that it matters...a lot of people are only going for the transporter thing and there's no failing the mission........
  • tamerlanekathultamerlanekathul Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I actually purchased a science ship from the C-Store specifically to close rifts because no one seems to want to regardless of what ship they're in. So, here I am, a tactical toon running a science ship for the sole purpose of playing the event like you're supposed to. :rolleyes:
  • roninfelroninfel Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    minusthedrifter2 wrote: »
    The first time I pugged thus mission there was someone screaming at everyone to avoid the rifts and only power up and kill the ships... everyone listened.

    That was the last time I pugged.

    yes never pug MIE, CEE or an STF....EVER!!!!
  • suralhatespwesuralhatespwe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I also think they spacebar'd the intro cutscene...so they REALLY don't know what to do

    I admit...I spacebar'd it too...But I read the mission parameters...Saw rifts closed...and started closing them.

    So far in the entire time this event has been up...I've had ONE...ONE run that was filled with people that knew what they were doing. We even had almost 1.5 minutes left on the timer with no rifts opening and all ships destroyed....Was a boring 1.5 minutes...but got max marks out of it.
  • straengestraenge Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Lately, I have been consideriing just posting this on whatever Pug I am in on startup.

    Good Luck Everyone, a few pointers. Don't forget to close Rifts, even if you aren't a sci and hit the generators, even if you aren't an engineer. Anyone needs help, call out and someone else can run interference. Let's keep the rifts down and the team up. Ill run (depending on character interference/closing rifts) but try to help anyone I can.

    I figure if they don't get it by now, they never will unless someone says something.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I pug all the time. Stuff like this happens. But other times they go smooth and seamless. It's just hit or miss. But PUGging is pretty convenient, so a small price to pay.
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  • suralhatespwesuralhatespwe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    straenge wrote: »
    Lately, I have been consideriing just posting this on whatever Pug I am in on startup.

    Good Luck Everyone, a few pointers. Don't forget to close Rifts, even if you aren't a sci and hit the generators, even if you aren't an engineer. Anyone needs help, call out and someone else can run interference. Let's keep the rifts down and the team up. Ill run (depending on character interference/closing rifts) but try to help anyone I can.

    I figure if they don't get it by now, they never will unless someone says something.

    And I bet you hear once in a while: "STFU NOOB! You don't know what you are talking about!"

    lmao

    Seriously tho....I wish people paid attention to the cutscene at least once......heheheh
  • suralhatespwesuralhatespwe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    I pug all the time. Stuff like this happens. But other times they go smooth and seamless. It's just hit or miss. But PUGging is pretty convenient, so a small price to pay.

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  • beaubouefbeaubouef Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I thought it was my bad luck when people run around not doing the mission requirements that cause low rewards. I am truly sorry that I am not the only having the issue.
  • bottledhate1bottledhate1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    lan451 wrote: »
    Not sure why everyone ignores the rifts. I've been seeing it this entire time.

    I had a match yesterday with 4 sci ships and me in my escort. Guess who ended up closing rifts? Well, tried to anyway. I didn't have much success with it. I think I got maybe 10 closed before the second stage started. Having leechers doesn't help either, but that's a different issue.

    lol yeah i had a few people do that in some i went in to..
  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Pugs are always a mixed bag. I'm going the event across 6 toons, 2 of each profession in a smattering of ships in various states of equipedness, and I run 4 normals, 2 elites a day.

    Running Elite doesn't mean a damn thing it seems. My best runs have been on Normals. Also my worst. I've even done an entire MUI where I didn't fire a single shot until the very end because someone wised up to the fact I was in the Nebula. He drew aggro, I closed rifts all day. We spend 5 minutes sitting around with nothing to do. It was great.

    Alternatively I have spent matches in escorts closing rifts cause the science ships (most notably people in stagbeatles) think they can rambo everything now. I've also spent matches in cruisers going a little of both.

    Pugs are just maddening but if you sign up for a pug you knowingly sign up for that random bag of well randomness. Sometimes you laugh. Sometimes you cry. Sometimes you laugh to keep from crying. Fun is had either way.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Closing rifts can be difficult when every MU ship is spamming FAW everywhere constantly tagging you and interrupting the process. And just when you're 90% done closing that one rift, some random frigate comes in 9.99km and shoots you. :mad:

    So I said f*** it to the rifts, loaded up my highest DPS ship, and just flew around blowing up everything. I achieve the same results.
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  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I have actually seen both types of players, on completely different ends of the spectrum. I have been in before and had players not shoot anything at all. All they did was fly around, and sit in the distance and wait till someone else killed all the ships. Then, they come in as someone in a tactical, or engineering ship is almost halfway through closing it, then they try to close it, only to not make it in time.

    While some will only shoot the ships, and not do anything about the portals.

    I do wish that the Mirror event will stay, but not have a limited time grind attached to it. When I fly it with friends, or fleet mates, it is actually a very enjoyable mission. (Normal, or Elite).

    But, I still can't figure out why some will see you closing a rift, and one to three others will come up and try to close it also, instead of going to the next ones. They do realize it will not close any faster that way, don't they. lol.

    Still, aside from the players that are AFK, don't know how to play it, or are lazy and just there for their grind reward, it is a good mission. I believe they did make some really good improvements to Mirror, and it deserves to stay. It is an awesome mission to play through with friends, fleet mates, and anyone that knows how to do it and is willing to.

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  • suralhatespwesuralhatespwe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    lordvalecortez wrote: »
    Pugs are always a mixed bag. I'm going the event across 6 toons, 2 of each profession in a smattering of ships in various states of equipedness, and I run 4 normals, 2 elites a day.

    Running Elite doesn't mean a damn thing it seems. My best runs have been on Normals. Also my worst. I've even done an entire MUI where I didn't fire a single shot until the very end because someone wised up to the fact I was in the Nebula. He drew aggro, I closed rifts all day. We spend 5 minutes sitting around with nothing to do. It was great.

    Alternatively I have spent matches in escorts closing rifts cause the science ships (most notably people in stagbeatles) think they can rambo everything now. I've also spent matches in cruisers going a little of both.

    Pugs are just maddening but if you sign up for a pug you knowingly sign up for that random bag of well randomness. Sometimes you laugh. Sometimes you cry. Sometimes you laugh to keep from crying. Fun is had either way.

    For the most part....But in my decade plus of Online Gaming...I've had some REALLY frustrating PuGs....Way more then good ones. :/
  • killdozer9211killdozer9211 Member Posts: 919 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Pugs are weird. I've had a couple mirrors with afkers, leavers, and moonspeak-ers, but on the other hand, the best team I got so far was a pug, and that was a thing of beauty. We formed this big 5 man roving death cloud, I swear we had the mirror ships down to spawning one at a time.
  • straengestraenge Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    suralhatespwe wrote: »
    And I bet you hear once in a while: "STFU NOOB! You don't know what you are talking about!"

    lmao

    Seriously tho....I wish people paid attention to the cutscene at least once......heheheh

    LOL honestly, I don't doubt it but sometimes, especially in PVE events in general, I wish more people would take the initiative and do something like that, even if you think everyone knows what they are doing. Chances are, there is at least one person who it may be their first time and have no idea. There are many PVE events I haven't done or maybe just did once and wish someone would break down the basics at the beginning. Most of the time, everyone is so worried about getting more DPS than the others, it's no longer about being on a team.. but about who can outgun everyone. Kind of sad but true.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I am able to get 50 marks sometimes in PUGs... I only do PUGs since I dont have time to do any organized Fleet runs... 5-6 toons to run thru.

    Yeah most times the SB gets hosed, sometimes we dont get to rank 5 defense or kill the final boss in time. At times I just cant get the stupid pop up box to show to close the rifts... think this only happens on the 6 O'clock rift.

    But yeah most folks focus on the defense or just half a$$ this and kill ships for drops...

    Course the time between ships coming out of rifts is a tad short... sometimes I kill 3 ships and by then the next batch comes right out... or as I am closing ships pop up and shoot... induction interrupted.

    If your under fire the induction should slow down but it shouldnt stop... also if more than 1 person clicks on a rift then it should close faster.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yup, have pugs that utterly fail and the station gets swarmed by dozens of ships. Other times we close all rifts and have 2mins to sit and wait for the Dread to pop.

    If only people would circle the thing in 2 man teams (5th guy can go rover and kill TRIBBLE or heal station) one draw aggro, other closes rifts. Can be so easy if people use their brains.
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  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, its how it works a lot of times. A lot of people tend to go all for 1 spot, while you are trying to go for the other side completely alone.. happened to me a lot of times. And sometimes you can close rifts alone with the sci destroyer (i have the klingon one but no, cloak usually doesnt work) , but sometimes you cant. Then, the only choice you have is to fight the ships from the rift since its already too late. So what i do is just sit there fighting the ships, and someone will come. I dont care at all. Im just done trying to do things in the right way lol, since nobody does, and anyways, the only thing i want is the transporter, so.

    Besides, i prefer to just keep fighting until the timer goes off, that way i dont get bored so much.

    I wonder if this queue will be alive when the event is over, i mean, if people will play it at all lol.
  • capemike4capemike4 Member Posts: 394 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    I pug all the time. Stuff like this happens. But other times they go smooth and seamless. It's just hit or miss. But PUGging is pretty convenient, so a small price to pay.

    What Snoggy said...sometimes, you get the bear, and sometimes, the bear gets YOU...the vast majority of the time, I do allright in Normal pug's, but generally save the Elite version for friends...; in either case, my friends and channel-mates know me well enough to know my Fleet Nebula Retrofit is more than capable of defending itself against multiple targets(Tanked 3 Typhoons a few days ago, destroying one before a teammate showed up to help), and excels at Station guarding/repairing.

    Anytime I see an isolated rift or energy station, though, if I'm not already closing a rift, I'll drop what I'm doing and go to take care of it!

    Don't be afraid to use whatever abilities you have...the Heavy Graviton Beam, for example...I'll sometimes use it just to punt an enemy out of weapons range, giving me enough time to close a rift.... :D

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    ...as soon as I notice the station taking damage(or if I see the %80 warning), I'll drop everything like a sack of hot potatoes and go exclusively on station defense...again, don't be afraid to improvise...Attack Pattern Delta on the station -itself- results in a TON of debuffed mobs...and those 15 seconds can make a difference....
    When in doubt...Gravity Well TO THE FACE!! :D
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    capemike4 wrote: »
    Don't be afraid to use whatever abilities you have...the Heavy Graviton Beam, for example...I'll sometimes use it just to punt an enemy out of weapons range, giving me enough time to close a rift.... :D

    The Anti-Matter Spread console from the Galaxy (Gal-X?) is great for closing rifts. Just get there, confuse everyone and close rift.
    Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
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  • mithrosnomoremithrosnomore Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    Ran one the other day where there was just one sci ship.

    So, i followed it around in my tvaro and figured Id run interference.

    Would he actually ever stop to close a rift? Nope.

    Damn thing kept aggroing mobs continuously, never withdrew to close rifts while I took the aggro off him, just kept trying to out DPS me.

    Eventually, it got to the point where I'm closing rifts in the Tvaro while the sci ship keeps shooting at things.

    It's the way to go sometimes.

    If another ships is sticking close to me (I'm in a cruiser) I'll fly in and start FAWing to grab all the aggro, and if the other ship starts shooting, too, then I will stop attacking and try to get the rift closed.

    Earlier today I was in the middle of three rifts fighting off ships when someone cruised by, activated a nearby relay, and then just flew off as if station defense would matter with all of these rifts spitting out more and more ships.

    First get the rifts closed, then deal with ships and get the station defense up.


    But as has been noted, the mission can't be failed, and just about any group can stumble their way into 30 marks.
    For some people that's plenty. Trying to coordinate a little might mean that they have to talk to some of those other people out there.
  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    A dude in our fleet said in chat that he ran it today with a guy in a warbird that cloaked & went afk. Maybe this was you & he didn't know what u were up to? I never pug that elite, and IMO no one should. Frankly, the only reason to even do it is for the daily doohickey, so I hit it quick on norm with a pug & get back to my life. There's enough of a grind without this kind of time sink.
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