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Borg set nerf

sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Builds, Powers, and Game Mechanics
I hear the hull regen of the 2 piece is getting cut by 60%. :confused: Can anyone link to where this was said by Cryptic?
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  • thyrnecristhyrnecris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Personally, I'd add a Warpcore to that Set, and keep the Hull Heal as the 4 Piece Set, as it is right now. Reward full Sets, give gimmicks for Frankensetting, not the other way (like it is now).
  • captcokecancaptcokecan Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Borg Space Set 2 pieces Bonus:
    Resolved an issue that was allowing the healing from this ability to scale disproportionately well on starships with high max Hull.



    What that means in terms of numbers is unknown to me, but it is being discussed in the PVP Forum. By the sound of it it is a scaling back on cruisers, but it is still an excellent heal.
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  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited March 2014
    captcokecan wrote: »
    Borg Space Set 2 pieces Bonus:
    Resolved an issue that was allowing the healing from this ability to scale disproportionately well on starships with high max Hull.



    What that means in terms of numbers is unknown to me, but it is being discussed in the PVP Forum. By the sound of it it is a scaling back on cruisers, but it is still an excellent heal.

    How do they "count" what is disproportional and what is not?
    This is Crypticverse... :mad:
  • captcokecancaptcokecan Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    zeratk wrote: »
    How do they "count" what is disproportional and what is not?

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  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    i hope not, but knowing cryptic, i can totally see it happening.
    thyrnecris wrote: »
    Personally, I'd add a Warpcore to that Set, and keep the Hull Heal as the 4 Piece Set, as it is right now. Reward full Sets, give gimmicks for Frankensetting, not the other way (like it is now).

    that is a horrible idea.
  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited March 2014
    thyrnecris wrote: »
    Personally, I'd add a Warpcore to that Set, and keep the Hull Heal as the 4 Piece Set, as it is right now. Reward full Sets, give gimmicks for Frankensetting, not the other way (like it is now).

    First, someone should remove Frankenstein Ship Designs out of the game. :eek:
    This is Crypticverse... :mad:
  • sophus84atsophus84at Member Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    please dont nerf the borg set...... i finally got the mk xii version and now they nerf it?? -.-
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  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Sounds like an attempt to nerf 2 piece + elite fleet covariant/resilient combo. The nerf is needed, but Cryptic is butching it up, as usual. The hull heal should be moved to full 3 piece, no bonus for 2 piece. The shield is small enough as is, anything that nerfs 3 piece borg is bad and unbalancing.
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  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited March 2014
    PvP Discussion Thread
    This is Crypticverse... :mad:
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    If a lot of people are using the 2piece borg set, even after several nerfs, it's not because the set is OP. That's just because the other space set are situational at best. Most of them are just bad.
    Instead of nerfing the borg set, they should buffs the other one.

    And stop with the difficulty = OSK torp and mobs running around with EPtE.
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  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    If a lot of people are using the 2piece borg set, even after several nerfs, it's not because the set is OP. That's just because the other space set are situational at best. Most of them are just bad.
    Instead of nerfing the borg set, they should buffs the other one.

    this right here, borg 2-set is arguably the only decent one for all purposes(3-set isn't "bad", but there are better shields), all other sets need buffing

    i have full MK XII maco and omega sets(also KHG/omega on my klink main) and i don't use them, due to how useless they are(except for maco/KHG shields).

    KHG 2 piece could be good if torpedos weren't useless, there is also the fact elite shields are just plain better than anything else in PvE.

    from what i've seen on the PvP thread, they're basically nerfing the borg set, to introduce a better version(the undine one), which might end up being actually OP.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    captcokecan wrote: »
    Borg Space Set 2 pieces Bonus:
    Resolved an issue that was allowing the healing from this ability to scale disproportionately well on starships with high max Hull.

    What that means in terms of numbers is unknown to me, but it is being discussed in the PVP Forum. By the sound of it it is a scaling back on cruisers, but it is still an excellent heal.

    I feel the onset of anger in me. :( STOP NERFING THE BORG SET!
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  • jarfarujarfaru Member Posts: 593 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I hope this means something good. Alot of the gear sets need nerfs and updating for balance to the game. They shouldn't just pick on the Borg set. Alot of those older gear sets could use updating. I would think that would be easier than making up some new sets.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    phoenicius wrote: »
    from what i've seen on the PvP thread, they're basically nerfing the borg set, to introduce a better version(the undine one), which might end up being actually OP.

    Until PvP folks start whining again; and then that set will get nerfed too. :(

    All of this has happened before; and all of this will happen again.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    Sounds like an attempt to nerf 2 piece + elite fleet covariant/resilient combo. The nerf is needed, but Cryptic is butching it up, as usual. The hull heal should be moved to full 3 piece, no bonus for 2 piece. The shield is small enough as is, anything that nerfs 3 piece borg is bad and unbalancing.

    This will be the second Franken-nerf........
  • uryenserellonturyenserellont Member Posts: 858 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Doesn't sound like a nerf so much as fixing something it wasn't intended to do which is using the cruiser hull multiplier.

    I'm more interested to see how they buff romulan and reman sets.
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  • deathsremnantdeathsremnant Member Posts: 265
    edited March 2014
    Well its not a required set for either pvp or pve, and im all for rewarding more towards full sets over 2 sets if that was indeed their goal.

    Also it sounds more like a bug fix...(Which sometimes takes Cryptic a while to get to lol)
  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    thyrnecris wrote: »
    Personally, I'd add a Warpcore to that Set, and keep the Hull Heal as the 4 Piece Set, as it is right now. Reward full Sets, give gimmicks for Frankensetting, not the other way (like it is now).

    I'd agree with this. It's odd to get the tractor beam for the three-piece and the hull heal for the two-piece, and most (all?) sets seem to be affected by this. Perhaps a rule of thumb should be that "button pressing" stuff is two piece, and powerful "passives" should be for three.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    janus1975 wrote: »
    I'd agree with this. It's odd to get the tractor beam for the three-piece and the hull heal for the two-piece, and most (all?) sets seem to be affected by this. Perhaps a rule of thumb should be that "button pressing" stuff is two piece, and powerful "passives" should be for three.

    I know it didn't work like the current 4 piece sets but the Borg set did used to be a 4 piece set and they broke it up. taking the console and adding it with the torp and cutting beam. to make 2, 3 piece sets
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  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    centersolace wrote: »
    This will be the second Franken-nerf........


    I'm pretty sure it's the third or forth ... as it's the oldest set in the game .

    sophus84at wrote: »
    please dont nerf the borg set...... i finally got the mk xii version and now they nerf it?? -.-

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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    If a lot of people are using the 2piece borg set, even after several nerfs, it's not because the set is OP. That's just because the other space set are situational at best. Most of them are just bad.
    Instead of nerfing the borg set, they should buffs the other one.

    And stop with the difficulty = OSK torp and mobs running around with EPtE.

    The old "instead of nerfing X, buff Y" argument has never swayed a single MMO dev in games I've played.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    zeratk wrote: »
    How do they "count" what is disproportional and what is not?

    From reading the explanation by Borticus, it sounds like this won't change a thing on my Andorian Escort, the ship I use the set bonus on. How's that for disproportional?

    ;)
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  • ksathra2ksathra2 Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    uryenserellont wrote: »
    Doesn't sound like a nerf so much as fixing something it wasn't intended to do which is using the cruiser hull multiplier.

    I'm more interested to see how they buff romulan and reman sets.

    Well I managed to find this and of course this is subject to change when it comes to some parts of the romulan and reman sets. Sucks they are messing with the borg set again though. :/

    Possible changes to romulan and reman sets
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    From reading the explanation by Borticus, it sounds like this won't change a thing on my Andorian Escort, the ship I use the set bonus on. How's that for disproportional?

    ;)

    Yeah, your Andorian Escort is squishy. :P So is mine.

    My Mobius, however, and more lockbox ships, I suspect, with more cruiser-size hulls, will likely suffer.
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well just to shed some honest statistical reality on this.

    Do you guys actually realize how OP the Assimilated two piece actually is?

    Here let me show you some datamining done via combatlogs in PvP.

    Take a good hard look at just how much "self healing hull" and "hull" (thats total hull heals including crossheals) the borg set represents.

    Then notice that is larger than EVERY OTHER HEAL IN THE GAME combined. (it even accounts for about 40 percent of TOTAL heals, including if someone ELSE heals you)

    And you think this set isnt overpowered or something? Its responsible for roughly 60% of all self hull healing in the game.

    http://hilbertguide.com/leaderboard/datamining.php

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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    If a lot of people are using the 2piece borg set, even after several nerfs, it's not because the set is OP. That's just because the other space set are situational at best. Most of them are just bad.
    Instead of nerfing the borg set, they should buffs the other one.

    And stop with the difficulty = OSK torp and mobs running around with EPtE.

    they are buffing other sets. its in dev blog #3
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    Well just to shed some honest statistical reality on this.

    Do you guys actually realize how OP the Assimilated two piece actually is?

    Here let me show you some datamining done via combatlogs in PvP.

    Take a good hard look at just how much "self healing hull" and "hull" (thats total hull heals including crossheals) the borg set represents.

    Then notice that is larger than EVERY OTHER HEAL IN THE GAME combined. (it even accounts for about 40 percent of TOTAL heals, including if someone ELSE heals you)

    And you think this set isnt overpowered or something? Its responsible for roughly 60% of all self hull healing in the game.

    http://hilbertguide.com/leaderboard/datamining.php

    O_o

    Leave it to the PVP community to get the Inconvenient Truth out :cool:
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  • ijimithyijimithy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Truth was always going to come out bro, it might not have been this week but maybe next month or whatever but eventually the Crptic Machine would have cottened onto it.

    People need to stop blaming the PvP Crowd for stuff like this, they just happen to know their equipment and builds extremely well and Cryptic knows that hence why it's always "OMG those PvP dudes, got this nerfered again man"
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    ijimithy wrote: »
    People need to stop blaming the PvP Crowd for stuff like this, they just happen to know their equipment and builds extremely well and Cryptic knows that hence why it's always "OMG those PvP dudes, got this nerfered again man"

    Agreed.

    Those guys know the game inside out and it's weird to see they get flak for seeing what is wrong, broken or unbalanced and decide to say something about it.

    It's doubly weird since Cryptic makes their own decisions, and as far as I can see they entertain feedback from PvP'ers about as much as anyone else. If anything due to how much of a minority the PvP crowd are, if Cryptic ever decided to pay attention to this place their voice would be drowned out anyway.

    So. Anyway, Borg set.

    I don't mind the change. In fact it's probably a good idea. I remember seeing some place that if a player is specced right they could comfortably fly into a fight carrying no heals at all, and just letting the 2 piece bonus take care of it.

    When it comes to cruisers it's a crutch players don't really need. I've managed to tank quite happily with the Omega and KHG sets, and I haven't even touched the Borg set - which as an Engineer should have been the first set I went for.

    I think players will adapt to the change in time, it's not like it's going away completely.

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  • thyrnecristhyrnecris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    ijimithy wrote: »
    Truth was always going to come out bro, it might not have been this week but maybe next month or whatever but eventually the Crptic Machine would have cottened onto it.

    People need to stop blaming the PvP Crowd for stuff like this, they just happen to know their equipment and builds extremely well and Cryptic knows that hence why it's always "OMG those PvP dudes, got this nerfered again man"

    Actually, SOME Nerfs ARE due to PvP. Especially to Science Abilities. But other nerfs are due to downright idiotic 'Tests'.
    When, some time ago, they 'revised' Gravity Well, the dev in charge claimed to have done a '5 Frigate/Freighter' test. A group of 'Trashmob' ships, destroyed by a 'Maximum attainable' Particle Gen Skill/125 Aux GW3. By a Skill normally on a 60 Second cooldown, with a duration of 15 Seconds, unless one uses Doffs (Cooldown reduce, Additional GW Proc). But using Scatter Volley 1, which is, Un-Doffed, on a 30 second Cooldown, a Cannonboat may shred the group and get away with it (and keep in mind, said Cannonship needs to chew through Shields, too, so the Damage delivered in that timeframe is even higher).
    coupaholic wrote: »
    *snip*

    Also, lets not forget the equally broken Valdore Console, which, at least on Warbirds, takes care of the Shieldside for that Combo. And then, you wonder why a Scimitar or one of the rare D'deridex or Haakona Birds can basically be parked in the thick of it, and use their whole set of BO Abilities (except maybe Hazard Emitters to get rid of Plasma dots) to boost their Powerlevels, without carrying any large scale repair ability anymore.
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