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Andorian Escorts

jagdhippiesjagdhippies Member Posts: 676 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Federation Discussion
I do not see many andorian escorts around these days? I know that they are not the new shiny, but I can't remember the last time I saw one.

Have they proven to not be all that good? Their stats seem okay, just a bit low on shields and hull but for a fifth forward weapon I certainly understand having less hull and shields. I am tempted to get one.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I'm still using mine, but I usually use one ship for one character so the Andorian Escorts are reserved for my Andorian Captain. :) I still see a lot of them in game, so maybe it's just your luck.
    If you ask me - they're good DPS ships and very fun to use, I'm using the Charal Class for a bit more engineering survivability and generaly do good. If set up right, they're a monster and it's not so tough to make one have a solid durability. You just need to keep moving. ;)

    And the Wing Cannon special effects, combined with blue fleet Andorian phasers are a sight to behold. They look beautiful while firing. :)
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  • vampeiyrevampeiyre Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I see them all the time in STFs, must be your luck. To me, they seem especially popular to use in Storming the Spire Elite.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jagdhippies wrote: »
    I do not see many andorian escorts around these days? I know that they are not the new shiny, but I can't remember the last time I saw one.

    Have they proven to not be all that good? Their stats seem okay, just a bit low on shields and hull but for a fifth forward weapon I certainly understand having less hull and shields. I am tempted to get one.

    I still use mine, too.
    But I don't see many others.

    I thing the reason is... to be honest... while it IS a nice ship it does not really feel in line with the other 3 pack ships IMO.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jagdhippies wrote: »
    Have they proven to not be all that good?

    That's it exactly. They're total junk. No one uses them anymore. There's tons of dissatisfied customers from last year. And no one flies them at all. Not even the people in this thread.

    Avoid them at all costs.

    ;)

    Or don't. I mean, those 5 frontal weapons might be fun to fire.
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  • caasicamcaasicam Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I use my Kumari all the time, mostly because of the sheer amount of damage I can unleash with five fore weapons, five tactical consoles, and Cmdr, LtCmdr, Lt, and Lt, tactical BOffs.

    All damage.

    All the time.

    Downside being that tanking is pretty much out of the equation. At all. I went full glass cannon on this ship.
  • gooddaytodie39gooddaytodie39 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    They're awesome ships with high DPS Potential. If you like them, go for it. I went with the engineering variant for extra surviving-ness. =)
  • lagunadlagunad Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    My Tactical captain was flying a Kumari until yesterday, when I switched to the JHAS I got from the pack promo.

    I think the Kumari is fine, but squishy. I don't really notice much difference in damage output between the JHAS and Kumari. Still getting used to the JHAS, which is somewhat faster and more maneuverable, but feels a little weaker with "only" 4 forward weapons.

    I could see that the JHAS is probably much better than the Kumari in PvP.
  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jagdhippies wrote: »
    I do not see many andorian escorts around these days? I know that they are not the new shiny, but I can't remember the last time I saw one.

    Have they proven to not be all that good? Their stats seem okay, just a bit low on shields and hull but for a fifth forward weapon I certainly understand having less hull and shields. I am tempted to get one.

    I see them quite a lot, specifically in PvP and STF's. Not as much as Jem'Hadar Attack Ships or other lockbox ships of course.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I may jump into my andorian escort and do a mirror just to see how it is
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well in the MU event I find the deployable wing cannons particualry useless.
    As soon as any cruiser hits its tractor beam repulser they are gone, with the 3 minute cd.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    My Fed Tac is currently using one. So you might see one flying around DS9 and doing the Deferi dil runs. I'm currently getting it equipped with all the "Andorian Weaponry" from the Dil store. I still have 2 cannons to get to finish the set.

    I really love the ship which I got around Christmas. Very fun to use and fly. It can really pack a wallop for DPS, but it don't hold up. So its like flying on the edge of the seat. Which is good for me.
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  • doomiciledoomicile Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's a great Cube and Gate smasher but fairly bad against multiple targets/mobs/spam.

    It's a damage ship and single target damage is what it does best.

    The Kumari just can't take nearly what it gives.
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I personally find the charal to be a wonderful ship. Hits like a freight train, and can take quite a beating in return, esp now that they removed the CD lockout between TT and ET. It may not be the new and shiny anymore, but it's still a great ship. However, when I used it, I didn't have any of the uni consoles. Well, at least not those that were specific to that ship. I find myself unable to leave ESD without the assimilated module and zero point XD...
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot
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    edited March 2014
    May have to buy one of these based on what I've read here. I see about one or two a week in STFs. Haven't seen one in a long time in PvP. But since they are no longer FotM ships, a lot of people don't know what they're missing out on. One of my former Fleet mates had the set. All done up Andorian style. Nice ship which held its own regardless of what we were doing.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I ran a mirror event with my (andorian science captain) Kumari...basic weapon set up: Andorian phasers...Dyson torp, Dyson set(or Solanae...which ever set you get out of the rep store), wing consoles, rom console and nukara console...the Omega console tomorrow

    did pretty good...died once and that was due to lag...
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  • jonathanlonehawkjonathanlonehawk Member Posts: 674 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's a fantastic ship, I've hit over 250k with the Wing Cannon Overload. The only reason I'm not flying it is I'm more a cruiser guy and now that I have a Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought...
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  • jagdhippiesjagdhippies Member Posts: 676 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Thanks all, I think I will get a Khyzon in the near future. I like its 4 sci consoles. My steamrunner has 4 eng consoles so the khyzon will give me a nice variety.
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I use my Andorian Charal regulary, in fact I may take her out today!

    I don't use any of the consoles though, they are tied to the horrible wing cannons that force you to use phasers....

    I would love to be able to use Federation hull colours, the Andorian ones can be a little dull.
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  • zachariyazachariya Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I run into them from time to time, also I have a fleet member who flies one very well.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jagdhippies wrote: »
    Thanks all, I think I will get a Khyzon in the near future. I like its 4 sci consoles. My steamrunner has 4 eng consoles so the khyzon will give me a nice variety.

    Wouldn't advice it TBH.
    4 sci consoles seem quiet useless to me considering that you have little to no sci BOFF powers on that ship. I don't see the point.

    That is kind one of the major problems with that ship.
    - Variaty: Vesta, Odysee, Bortas, Scimitar: All of those other 3 packs have an universal LC slot, allowing a wide variety of builds with the 3 versions. Just the Andorian escort does not. Making the Charal the only one usable.

    - the consoles are relatively useless.... IMO its all or nothing. Wing cannons only make sense with the depoyable things, they only make sense with all 3 consoles using the cannon buffs, and those are not really with 3 console slots.Without that its just an average escort that happens to have 5 forward weapon slots.

    - On a side note: Their "answer to everything" avenger does not come with a cloak but can equip it (as a federation design), is it really unreasonable to ask for the same on an Andorian design that (unlike "real" Federation ones) was not excluded from using cloak by the treaty of Allgeron?

    Thats what I mean with the ship not being en par with the other 3 packs. The Charal is a solid escort, but nothing special.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    revandarklighter wrote: »
    Wouldn't advice it TBH.
    4 sci consoles seem quiet useless to me considering that you have little to no sci BOFF powers on that ship. I don't see the point.

    It's a nice strip of console slots to cram your universal consoles? Least that's what I'd do in that version.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    It's a nice strip of console slots to cram your universal consoles? Least that's what I'd do in that version.

    I would do the same if I had only that one. But as long as you have the choice which one you get, you should still get one with better console setup.
    After all it's the same number of console slots. So if I have the choice between a good amount of sci or eng slots on an escort I take the eng slots. Universal work in both, but the eng slots can be replaced with something more useful if I want to.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    revandarklighter wrote: »
    Thats what I mean with the ship not being en par with the other 3 packs. The Charal is a solid escort, but nothing special.

    Nothing special? It's the only escort with 5 forward weapons. The Kumari is the only escort with 5 forward weapons and 5 tactical consoles. It's a beast.
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  • kingsidecastlekingsidecastle Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The Kumari makes a great cannon based escort for a Federation Engineer. If you have extra fleet credit and dil to burn, get the Advanced fleet Andorian phasers and you will have about the most potent escort experience possible for an Engineer. Engineers also have enough tricks to keep the Kumari propped up nicely as well.

    I'd stay away if you are a Romulan because you want an escort that can cloak.
  • sharpchansharpchan Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    What are people's views on skipping the wing cannon platform console and just taking the overload and tachyon consoles? My reading is that the 3 set bonus only makes the cannon pets benefit from CRF and CSV and that the main ones benefit regardless.

    From a "fun" perspective I can't imagine running the ships without the wing cannons - it look silly to have those massive guns on the wings that never shoot.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kingsidecastle wrote: »
    I'd stay away if you are a Romulan because you want an escort that can cloak.

    Romulans can use it? I didn't think they could.
    sharpchan wrote: »
    What are people's views on skipping the wing cannon platform console and just taking the overload and tachyon consoles? My reading is that the 3 set bonus only makes the cannon pets benefit from CRF and CSV and that the main ones benefit regardless.

    From a "fun" perspective I can't imagine running the ships without the wing cannons - it look silly to have those massive guns on the wings that never shoot.

    I use only 2 of the 3 on my Charal. I used the wing cannon platforms for awhile, but put them away because they were pretty fragile and I wanted the console slot for something else.
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Romulans can't use it. It's a T5 ship.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    sharpchan wrote: »
    What are people's views on skipping the wing cannon platform console and just taking the overload and tachyon consoles? My reading is that the 3 set bonus only makes the cannon pets benefit from CRF and CSV and that the main ones benefit regardless.

    From a "fun" perspective I can't imagine running the ships without the wing cannons - it look silly to have those massive guns on the wings that never shoot.

    I use my Kumari exactly as you described. Sure ocassionally I put on the Wing Cannon Platforms for fun, but I usually run only with the tachyon and overload. Both look beautiful combined with blue Andorian phasers, I find them usefull and the +10% Accuracy of the 2-piece set is not something you'd disregard.

    Like you, I also can't bare to have a ship with such big cannons and not utilize them. They're integral part of my ship and I'd never switch them for anything. They just look and feel right. :)
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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    It's a nice strip of console slots to cram your universal consoles? Least that's what I'd do in that version.

    it's also great for embassy consoles. If you use rom plasma weapons you get a nice boost. I personally use phasers or polaron with mine depending if I'm using the set or not. That wing cannon overload can 1 hit people in pvp. :) I tend fill the science console slots with embassy consoles to boost my polaron proc, leech, and tetryon glider.
  • jagdhippiesjagdhippies Member Posts: 676 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    For the khyzon I was thinking of using those science consoles for a couple flow capacitors, plasmonic leach, and maybe a field generator. I don't tend to use more than 2 armor consoles so I might as well have some space to boost my plasmonic leach.

    The kumari just looks wierd being locked with what is it: CMDR, LTC and a LT tac boff?

    The charal is certainly an option, I have not made up my mind yet. It is hard for me to resist slotting 2 or 3 flow capacitors and a field gen at the same time. Looks like having your cake and eating it to.:D
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